(12-23-2011 12:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

You're the ******* teacher.

I charge $300/hr for consulting. You send me a cashier's check (no way I'm taking a personal check from you), and then I'll educate you. Until then, stop being a lazy-a$$ moocher.

(12-23-2011 12:36 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Not only did the Walker regime instruct DMV employees not to tell DMV customers about the free IDs, but he also proposed to close 16 DMV offices primarily located in areas that lean Democratic. Yet you idiots will still claim there's no intent to suppress voters.

They just buy the Republican line hook, line and sinker and don't bother to question motive. Of course there is voter fraud. It happens by both sides. Lately it seems to be the "missing ballots that turn up after the Republican loses" tactic by the right.

(12-23-2011 12:44 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

You're the ******* teacher.

I charge $300/hr for consulting. You send me a cashier's check (no way I'm taking a personal check from you), and then I'll educate you. Until then, stop being a lazy-a$$ moocher.

All of a sudden you're a capitalist. Moron.

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

It does not exist, you made it up out of thin air. It's not my fault you are the a*sshole making a case with falacy as the basis.

(12-23-2011 01:09 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

It does not exist, you made it up out of thin air. It's not my fault you are the a*sshole making a case with falacy as the basis.

Yet another right-wing idiot who can't figure out how to work the Googly-machine.

For any of you righties who are certain that I'm lying, I'll make you an easy offer - if I can provide news articles backing my claim that DMV employees were told not to offer the free IDs unless specifically requested and that Walker proposed closing those 16 DMV offices, you will change your signatures for 30 days to say exactly what I specify (nothing more and nothing less). If I can't back up my claims, I won't post here for a month. Come on, cowards. Let's see how sure you are.

(12-23-2011 01:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:09 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

It does not exist, you made it up out of thin air. It's not my fault you are the a*sshole making a case with falacy as the basis.

Yet another right-wing idiot who can't figure out how to work the Googly-machine.

I Googled brainless sperm burping retard expecting to get you, but.....

(12-23-2011 12:36 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Not only did the Walker regime instruct DMV employees not to tell DMV customers about the free IDs, but he also proposed to close 16 DMV offices primarily located in areas that lean Democratic. Yet you idiots will still claim there's no intent to suppress voters.

You need to provide evidence. Not just some random (possible) facts. I know you don't use logic in your field, but some of us are adamant about it.

(12-23-2011 12:47 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Lately it seems to be the "missing ballots that turn up after the Republican loses" tactic by the right.

Are you kidding? Senator Al Fraken anyone? Dozens of missing ballot boxes turned up in highly democratic polling areas to swing that election. Same thing happened in the last Minnesota Governors race.

Then there were the provisional ballots that were allowed to pass in democratic areas during that election which were not properly filled out and some had non existent addresses.

(12-23-2011 01:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:09 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

It does not exist, you made it up out of thin air. It's not my fault you are the a*sshole making a case with falacy as the basis.

Yet another right-wing idiot who can't figure out how to work the Googly-machine.

Here is the memo in question

It was *not* forbidding employees from telling people that free IDs were available. They were told, if asked about the voter ID to help people through the process.

What they were told was *not* to tell everyone who came to the counter looking for ID 'hey it's free now for voters'.

UM bought the spin, but read the memo yourself

(12-23-2011 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:09 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

It does not exist, you made it up out of thin air. It's not my fault you are the a*sshole making a case with falacy as the basis.

Yet another right-wing idiot who can't figure out how to work the Googly-machine.

Here is the memo in question

It was *not* forbidding employees from telling people that free IDs were available. They were told, if asked about the voter ID to help people through the process.

What they were told was *not* to tell everyone who came to the counter looking for ID 'hey it's free now for voters'.

UM bought the spin, but read the memo yourself

We all know what UMGrad's problem is.

(12-23-2011 01:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  For any of you righties who are certain that I'm lying, I'll make you an easy offer - if I can provide news articles backing my claim that DMV employees were told not to offer the free IDs unless specifically requested and that Walker proposed closing those 16 DMV offices, you will change your signatures for 30 days to say exactly what I specify (nothing more and nothing less). If I can't back up my claims, I won't post here for a month. Come on, cowards. Let's see how sure you are.

I just simply want to know (the facts, not a worthless article) by whom (in the WALKER administration) and when DMV employees were told that they (all DMV employees of the state) were forbidden (FORBIDDEN) BY the WALKER administration (all of the Walker administration) from telling customers that the free IDs are available.

If you do that I'll say UnGrad is not a totally worthless sackofshit. If you don't, I'll say that $300 an hour for consulting with the worthless sackofshit UnGrad, is money spent better, flushed down the toilet.

(12-23-2011 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:09 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

It does not exist, you made it up out of thin air. It's not my fault you are the a*sshole making a case with falacy as the basis.

Yet another right-wing idiot who can't figure out how to work the Googly-machine.

Here is the memo in question

It was *not* forbidding employees from telling people that free IDs were available. They were told, if asked about the voter ID to help people through the process.

What they were told was *not* to tell everyone who came to the counter looking for ID 'hey it's free now for voters'.

UM bought the spin, but read the memo yourself

That memo states exactly what I said it does. Not only that, but it also instructs DMV employees not to answer questions about what type of ID is needed to vote. So if someone comes into a DMV office and asks what kind of ID they need so they can vote, the DMV employees have been instructed from a top DMV official to tell people to contact the Government Accountability Board rather than direct them to the correct ID.

Yet another facet to this story - a low-level DMV employee sent an email to his fellow DMV employees encouraging them to tell everyone they know about the free ID option for voting purposes. He was fired.

And one more thing, Walker's recall petitions will be ready in about week along with petitions for four more GOP state senators. Walker's agenda is really working out nicely.

(12-23-2011 01:46 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:13 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:09 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

It does not exist, you made it up out of thin air. It's not my fault you are the a*sshole making a case with falacy as the basis.

Yet another right-wing idiot who can't figure out how to work the Googly-machine.

Here is the memo in question

It was *not* forbidding employees from telling people that free IDs were available. They were told, if asked about the voter ID to help people through the process.

What they were told was *not* to tell everyone who came to the counter looking for ID 'hey it's free now for voters'.

UM bought the spin, but read the memo yourself

That memo states exactly what I said it does. Not only that, but it also instructs DMV employees not to answer questions about what type of ID is needed to vote. So if someone comes into a DMV office and asks what kind of ID they need so they can vote, the DMV employees have been instructed from a top DMV official to tell people to contact the Government Accountability Board rather than direct them to the correct ID.

Man, can you twist a story around. This is exactly what it says:

While you should certainly help customers who come in asking for a free ID to check the appropriate box, you should refrain from offering the free versions to customers who do not ask for it.

And it even says this so your fellow felons and illegals can still possbily evade ineligibility detection.

Please do not make additional efforts to verify U.S. citizenship, voting eligibility, or status as a felon.

(12-23-2011 01:46 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  That memo states exactly what I said it does. Not only that, but it also instructs DMV employees not to answer questions about what type of ID is needed to vote. So if someone comes into a DMV office and asks what kind of ID they need so they can vote, the DMV employees have been instructed from a top DMV official to tell people to contact the Government Accountability Board rather than direct them to the correct ID.

1) The memo does not forbid employee from talking about the free ID... It asks them not to bring it up. Probabally because hte DMV makes money off of state issued id

2) They were not forbidden from talking about what is needed to vote, they are instructed to make sure you have the proper id before issuing the free state ID

3) They are told not to discuss times, election polls, or policy issues that are outside of their scope. Likely so they dont have to worry about someone one saying 'the guy at the dmv told me election day was a Monday this year"

(12-23-2011 01:49 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Yet another facet to this story - a low-level DMV employee sent an email to his fellow DMV employees encouraging them to tell everyone they know about the free ID option for voting purposes. He was fired.

You mean he contraindicated his superiors and was fired... The horror!

If I went to the UM to ask about voter residency requirements would the gal at the library tell me or would she tell me to contact the appropriate government agency..

(12-23-2011 02:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:46 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  That memo states exactly what I said it does. Not only that, but it also instructs DMV employees not to answer questions about what type of ID is needed to vote. So if someone comes into a DMV office and asks what kind of ID they need so they can vote, the DMV employees have been instructed from a top DMV official to tell people to contact the Government Accountability Board rather than direct them to the correct ID.

1) The memo does not forbid employee from talking about the free ID... It asks them not to bring it up. Probabally because hte DMV makes money off of state issued id

2) They were not forbidden from talking about what is needed to vote, they are instructed to make sure you have the proper id before issuing the free state ID

3) They are told not to discuss times, election polls, or policy issues that are outside of their scope. Likely so they dont have to worry about someone one saying 'the guy at the dmv told me election day was a Monday this year"

When a top executive of your company sends out a memo that says "employees shoud refrain from...", and then someone who works with you is fired for doing something related but much less that what you were instructed to refrain from doing, you are in fact being forbidden from doing such. You can split hairs however you want, but DMV employees were told not to offer the free IDs unless specifically requested and not to offer any guidance on what kind of ID was needed to vote. Voter suppression - it's a right-wing tradition.

(12-23-2011 02:04 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 01:49 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Yet another facet to this story - a low-level DMV employee sent an email to his fellow DMV employees encouraging them to tell everyone they know about the free ID option for voting purposes. He was fired.

You mean he contraindicated his superiors and was fired... The horror!

If I went to the UM to ask about voter residency requirements would the gal at the library tell me or would she tell me to contact the appropriate government agency..

He didn't contradict his superiors. He encouraged DMV employees to let their friends, family, etc. know about the free IDs so that people who needed them would know that they could get one. He was fired for that.

As for your boneheaded analogy, if you needed a library card to prove residency, then I expect "the gal at the library" to inform people which library card is needed for that purpose.

Walker's voter suppression efforts are one of many reasons that he will be leaving office after only two years.