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Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - I'mMoreAwesomeThanYou - 12-22-2011 09:29 AM
A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.
The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes.
"The phrase they use is: 'making sure they vote the right way,'" said a source close to the case, which is unfolding in Troy, N.Y. "It is not a Democratic or Republican thing. ... It is criminal."
Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio have entered guilty pleas in the case, in which numerous signatures were allegedly forged on absentee ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary, the political party that was associated with the now-defunct community group, ACORN.
The four have pleaded guilty to one count of various charges, ranging from forgery to falsifying business records, and criminal possession of a forged instrument.
"Getting at the truth has always been the primary goal of this investigation," Special Prosecutor Trey Smith said in a statement, while also thanking New York State Police efforts to "bring those responsible for the voting fraud to justice."
Numerous voters told Fox News that they were stunned that their signatures were faked on absentee ballot applications and ballots, which were cast as real votes in their names in the 2009 primary election.
Brian Suozzo's absentee ballot application claimed that he was "at home recovering from medical procedure," which he told us was not true.
"Someone took my signature and voted with it and I feel extremely violated," Suozzo said when Fox News first broke the story nationally in 2009. "The whole thing seems dirty to me."
Jessica Boomhower's absentee ballot application falsely claimed that she was in Boston.
"I can't believe they thought they would get away with this," she told Fox News. "I didn't get to cast my vote on my own. ... They're corrupt. I am sure this goes on a lot in politics, but it's very rare that they do get caught."
Two of the ballot applications claimed that the voters were unavailable, because they were supposedly on a "bus trip to casino."
Smith, at one point during the two-year long investigation, even obtained court orders to take DNA samples from five of the seven Democratic members of the Troy City Council. The goal was to try and compare the samples to any DNA evidence found on the absentee ballot envelopes.
No Republicans were implicated in the alleged conspiracy, but one political operative claimed that such voter fraud occurs "on both sides of the aisle."
In November 2009, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.
"This is an on-going scheme and it occurs on both sides of the aisle," he told police. "The people who are targeted live in low-income housing and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions."
He said that "it was common knowledge that these people were never going to receive an absentee ballot. This is a political strategy to get control of a third party line."
DeFiglio claimed that "the reason that this came to light in this election, was the sheer number of absentee ballots that went out to the Working Families Party. ... To political insiders in the county, what appears as a huge conspiracy to non-political persons is really a normal political tactic."
Troy City Council President Clem Campana pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to charges including falsifying business records and illegal voting.
When Fox News asked him about the case last year, Campana was adamant that he did nothing wrong.
"No one tried to steal any election," he claimed. "I did nothing wrong, I don't know if anyone did, and if they did, they should be held accountable for it."
City Councilman Michael LoPorto and Democratic County Elections Commissioner Edward McDonough were indicted earlier this year and they face trial on the felony charges next month.
LoPorto also denied the allegations when Fox News questioned him last year.
"Did you do anything wrong?" Fox News asked.
He answered, "No."
"Did you try to steal an election?"
"No."
"Did you forge any ballots?"
"No," said LoPorto.
"They did steal an election," claimed Bob Mirch, the pugnacious former Republican Majority Leader of the Rensselaer County legislature, who first discovered the alleged fraud and started the investigation. For his efforts in trying to expose what happened, Mirch says he was voted out of office after serving 16 years and was replaced by a Democrat.
"This is just the tip of the iceberg," he said about voter fraud. "This case in Troy shows that the political insiders had this scheme down pat. Two years ago the public didn't believe me, but they know it now."
The case in Troy echoes a similar election fraud investigation that is now ongoing in Indiana.
St. Joseph County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak, in South Bend, is currently investigating allegations that numerous signatures on 2008 Democratic Presidential primary petitions for then candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, were faked. There are claims that so many signatures were fraudulent, that the Obama campaign may not have actually obtained enough legitimate signatures to have legally qualified for the ballot. And just like the New York voters in Troy who told Fox News that they never signed absentee ballots, voters in South Bend and Mishawaka told us that their signatures were forged too.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - smn1256 - 12-22-2011 09:39 AM
I wonder how many ballots have to be forged to swing an election?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - DrTorch - 12-22-2011 09:40 AM
I want Mach to get on and say how principled that party is, and how he's sure they're looking out for people.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - I'mMoreAwesomeThanYou - 12-22-2011 09:42 AM
I mentioned the Indiana signature forging thing to get Obama on the ballot and RedwingTom said I was full of sh!t...We'll hear more about this in a few months.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - Max Power - 12-22-2011 10:09 AM
Republican politicians and operatives are always law abiding, right Richard Nixon?
![[Image: richardnixon-flickrcommons1.jpg]](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/richardnixon-flickrcommons1.jpg)
The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL. Maybe we could go back to only allowing property-owning white males to vote, institute reading/literacy requirements, and make people name their favorite Fox News personality too?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - Owl 69/70/75 - 12-22-2011 10:13 AM
(12-22-2011 10:09 AM)Max Power Wrote: Republican politicians and operatives are always law abiding, right Richard Nixon?
The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL. Maybe we could go back to only allowing property-owning white males to vote, institute reading/literacy requirements, and make people name their favorite Fox News personality too?
So, what would you propose to do instead?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - I'mMoreAwesomeThanYou - 12-22-2011 10:15 AM
(12-22-2011 10:09 AM)Max Power Wrote: Republican politicians and operatives are always law abiding, right Richard Nixon?
The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL. Maybe we could go back to only allowing property-owning white males to vote, institute reading/literacy requirements, and make people name their favorite Fox News personality too?
Nice attempted deflection...do you still deny voter fraud happens and is a problem?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - smn1256 - 12-22-2011 10:23 AM
(12-22-2011 10:09 AM)Max Power Wrote: The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL. Maybe we could go back to only allowing property-owning white males to vote, institute reading/literacy requirements, and make people name their favorite Fox News personality too?
Wrong!!!
The people who live in NYC often don't have driver's licenses because they may never own a car during their entire life. Do they not vote?
There's this wonderful thing called an ID card.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - Max Power - 12-22-2011 10:26 AM
That's just it--it's not a problem. Tennessee is implementing this because in a 2005 special election poll workers admitted to faking 3 votes. Three!
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/18/138160440/the-politics-behind-new-voter-id-laws
Quote:In Tennessee, the Republican secretary of state, Tre Hargett, is preparing plans and public service announcements to make sure voters in his state adjust smoothly to the new rules. They'll be required to show photo ID at the polls and to provide proof of citizenship when they register to vote.
Hargett rejects opponents' claims that the changes will discourage voter turnout.
"I think that nothing could disenfranchise an eligible voter more than finding out that ineligible voters are voting," he says.
Hargett cited a 2005 special election in Memphis, in which poll workers admitted to faking at least three votes. But opponents of the new restrictions say a photo ID requirement won't stop that kind of fraud.
The law will clearly have a disparate impact on poor people, the GOP knows it and is being disingenuous.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - Paul M - 12-22-2011 10:26 AM
Max, just keep ignoring that all voter ID laws include FREE ID's.
Anyone who can make it to a polling place on one day can arrange to get an ID in 4 years.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - I'mMoreAwesomeThanYou - 12-22-2011 10:30 AM
(12-22-2011 10:26 AM)Max Power Wrote: That's just it--it's not a problem. Tennessee is implementing this because in a 2005 special election poll workers admitted to faking 3 votes. Three!
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/18/138160440/the-politics-behind-new-voter-id-laws
Quote:In Tennessee, the Republican secretary of state, Tre Hargett, is preparing plans and public service announcements to make sure voters in his state adjust smoothly to the new rules. They'll be required to show photo ID at the polls and to provide proof of citizenship when they register to vote.
Hargett rejects opponents' claims that the changes will discourage voter turnout.
"I think that nothing could disenfranchise an eligible voter more than finding out that ineligible voters are voting," he says.
Hargett cited a 2005 special election in Memphis, in which poll workers admitted to faking at least three votes. But opponents of the new restrictions say a photo ID requirement won't stop that kind of fraud.
The law will clearly have a disparate impact on poor people, the GOP knows it and is being disingenuous.
Why don't you address the issue at hand...DEMOCRATIC VOTER FRAUD and stop deflecting.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - DrTorch - 12-22-2011 10:31 AM
(12-22-2011 10:09 AM)Max Power Wrote: ]
The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL.
Drivers Licenses aren't the only form of gov't issued ID.
Just another logical fallacy from the reliably wrong Max.
What's it like to be wrong so much? Is that why you have to take people to court to get paid? You can't do anything of value?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - Max Power - 12-22-2011 10:32 AM
It's not the end of the world but you're adding another hoop for people to jump through. Rich people who tend to vote GOP already have IDs because they drive, or need to show them when the enter their downtown NY condo complex, or make bank deposits/withdrawals or a myriad of other things. Poor people generally don't have or need them and will have to go out of their way to get this free ID for this one purpose.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - Bull_In_Exile - 12-22-2011 10:37 AM
(12-22-2011 10:26 AM)Max Power Wrote: The law will clearly have a disparate impact on poor people, the GOP knows it and is being disingenuous.
Ross says tens of thousands of Wisconsin voters lack the photo ID that will now be required in that state. He says many of them will also have difficulty traveling to motor vehicle offices to get free ID cards available under the law.
So getting to the polls is doable but the DMV is not?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - smn1256 - 12-22-2011 10:38 AM
(12-22-2011 10:32 AM)Max Power Wrote: It's not the end of the world but you're adding another hoop for people to jump through. Rich people who tend to vote GOP already have IDs because they drive, or need to show them when the enter their downtown NY condo complex, or make bank deposits/withdrawals or a myriad of other things. Poor people generally don't have or need them and will have to go out of their way to get this free ID for this one purpose.
What do poor people show when they go to collect Welfare?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - I'mMoreAwesomeThanYou - 12-22-2011 10:43 AM
(12-22-2011 10:38 AM)smn1256 Wrote:(12-22-2011 10:32 AM)Max Power Wrote: It's not the end of the world but you're adding another hoop for people to jump through. Rich people who tend to vote GOP already have IDs because they drive, or need to show them when the enter their downtown NY condo complex, or make bank deposits/withdrawals or a myriad of other things. Poor people generally don't have or need them and will have to go out of their way to get this free ID for this one purpose.
What do poor people show when they go to collect Welfare?
They also need an Id for these...I guess poor minorities don't so any of these.
Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for welfare
Apply for food stamps
Cash a check
Purchase a firearm
Make any credit card purchase
Open a bank account
Rent an apartment
Be admitted to a hospital
Get a marriage license
Why won't Max address that is was the DEM's who were found guilty(CONFESSED) of this and stop redirecting back to the GOP who want to stop things like this from happening in the first place?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - Bull_In_Exile - 12-22-2011 10:43 AM
(12-22-2011 10:32 AM)Max Power Wrote: It's not the end of the world but you're adding another hoop for people to jump through. Rich people who tend to vote GOP already have IDs because they drive, or need to show them when the enter their downtown NY condo complex, or make bank deposits/withdrawals or a myriad of other things. Poor people generally don't have or need them and will have to go out of their way to get this free ID for this one purpose.
In many places, Max, If you want food stamps photo id is required.
Even in states where it's not required explicitly you can use a pay stub, Birth certificate, passport, employee ID, or hospital record.
If you're able to obtain any of these getting to the DMV before next November is not at all a difficult task.
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - DrTorch - 12-22-2011 10:48 AM
(12-22-2011 10:32 AM)Max Power Wrote: It's not the end of the world but you're adding another hoop for people to jump through. Rich people who tend to vote GOP already have IDs because they drive, or need to show them when the enter their downtown NY condo complex, or make bank deposits/withdrawals or a myriad of other things. Poor people generally don't have or need them and will have to go out of their way to get this free ID for this one purpose.
Now you're outright lying (like the basis for all of your claims)
And here's where you get owned:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/plain-and-simple-dnc-wants-voter-fraud/
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - RobertN - 12-22-2011 01:30 PM
(12-22-2011 10:09 AM)Max Power Wrote: Republican politicians and operatives are always law abiding, right Richard Nixon?Oddly enough, that IS what they want.
The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL. Maybe we could go back to only allowing property-owning white males to vote, institute reading/literacy requirements, and make people name their favorite Fox News personality too?
RE: Voter Fraud...Dem's Plead Guilty! - RobertN - 12-22-2011 01:33 PM
(12-22-2011 10:15 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:Who has said that it doesn't exist?(12-22-2011 10:09 AM)Max Power Wrote: Republican politicians and operatives are always law abiding, right Richard Nixon?
The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL. Maybe we could go back to only allowing property-owning white males to vote, institute reading/literacy requirements, and make people name their favorite Fox News personality too?
Nice attempted deflection...do you still deny voter fraud happens and is a problem?