(12-22-2011 10:48 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:32 AM)Max Power Wrote:  It's not the end of the world but you're adding another hoop for people to jump through. Rich people who tend to vote GOP already have IDs because they drive, or need to show them when the enter their downtown NY condo complex, or make bank deposits/withdrawals or a myriad of other things. Poor people generally don't have or need them and will have to go out of their way to get this free ID for this one purpose.

Now you're outright lying (like the basis for all of your claims)

And here's where you get owned:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/plain-and-simple...ter-fraud/

LOL that owns me does it? That first paragraph pretty much confirms what I've been saying about how rich people need IDs and carry them at a much higher rate than the poor:

Quote:Like most people, recently I’ve been asked to present photo identification on a number of occasions without regard to my race, religion, or national origin. The majority of the requests I’ve received have come in circumstances many would consider more or less routine: checking in for a flight and passing through airport security; registering as a guest at a hotel; using a credit card when purchasing something more expensive than a meal or tank of gas; and buying over-the-counter medications. In addition, I was required to show photo identification while visiting the Department of Justice here in Washington.

Of course, poor people that visit the Department of Justice in Washington, pass through airport seurity and check in as guests at a DC hotel will need IDs the same as rich people.

Next you're going to tell me laws against sleeping under bridges and panhandling apply to rich and poor alike!

You can't honestly tell me you don't believe this has a disparate impact on poor people. It's proposed to address a problem that doesn't exist to reduce the number of poor votes and help GOPers win elections, so they can go back to their business of helping the rich get richer.



And yes, for poor people with drivers licenses, getting to the DMV can be a hassle. Plenty of people carpool on election day; now they have to find carpools to go to the DMV and get licenses too.

I didn't say no poor people have an ID or a reason to get one. I'm saying this will disproportionately impact the poor over the rich. Most of them don't have bank accounts. As you mentioned, many of them can get those things without a photo ID. This law may be fair on its face but it will have a disparate impact (like laws against panhandling and sleeping under bridges).

(12-22-2011 04:27 PM)Max Power Wrote:  And yes, for poor people with drivers licenses, getting to the DMV can be a hassle. Plenty of people carpool on election day; now they have to find carpools to go to the DMV and get licenses too.

Bro, you only have to get the ID once. After that they can renew by mail. If people are resourceful enough to get their daily dose of Colt 45 tall 40s, then they should be resourceful enough to make one, single trip to have their picture taken some place other than a police station.

Better, yet, we can do away with voter ID if you can devise a way of preventing fraud, illegals from voting, and all the other crap the left is known for.

(12-22-2011 10:26 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's just it--it's not a problem. Tennessee is implementing this because in a 2005 special election poll workers admitted to faking 3 votes. Three!

Quote:(snip)
Hargett cited a 2005 special election in Memphis, in which poll workers admitted to faking at least three votes. But opponents of the new restrictions say a photo ID requirement won't stop that kind of fraud.

The law will clearly have a disparate impact on poor people, the GOP knows it and is being disingenuous.

So let me see if I understand your point here.....

You decide to post information to bolster your position against a voter id law. Included in this post is proof that my, and two other sovereign citezens' right to vote was literally taken away when our choice was potentially negated by these, "only" 3, votes.

I give you, sir, a hearty (albeit sarcastic) "BRILLIANT!"...with a heart felt up yours attached to the end there.

Nope no need for state issued Photo ID Voter cards. While we are at it I'll never trust computerized voting machines to easy for a skilled computer geek to alter machines.

Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

If you're too stupid to ask for free ID then you're too stupid to vote. But then again, you do have proof your statement is true, right?

(12-22-2011 11:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

If you're too stupid to ask for free ID then you're too stupid to vote. But then again, you do have proof your statement is true, right?

It was a major news story. Go google it, you lazy a$$ moocher, and quit asking me to do your work.

(12-22-2011 11:47 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

If you're too stupid to ask for free ID then you're too stupid to vote. But then again, you do have proof your statement is true, right?

It was a major news story. Go google it, you lazy a$$ moocher, and quit asking me to do your work.

I Googled "dumb*** comment by UMGrad" and there were too many links to look through.

(12-22-2011 10:48 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:32 AM)Max Power Wrote:  It's not the end of the world but you're adding another hoop for people to jump through. Rich people who tend to vote GOP already have IDs because they drive, or need to show them when the enter their downtown NY condo complex, or make bank deposits/withdrawals or a myriad of other things. Poor people generally don't have or need them and will have to go out of their way to get this free ID for this one purpose.

Now you're outright lying (like the basis for all of your claims)

And here's where you get owned:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/plain-and-simple...ter-fraud/

He got owned by some BS found in Pajamasmedia? Ok. If you say so.

(12-22-2011 04:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:27 PM)Max Power Wrote:  And yes, for poor people with drivers licenses, getting to the DMV can be a hassle. Plenty of people carpool on election day; now they have to find carpools to go to the DMV and get licenses too.

Bro, you only have to get the ID once. After that they can renew by mail. If people are resourceful enough to get their daily dose of Colt 45 tall 40s, then they should be resourceful enough to make one, single trip to have their picture taken some place other than a police station.

Better, yet, we can do away with voter ID if you can devise a way of preventing fraud, illegals from voting, and all the other crap the left is known for.

Nice job of stereotyping there.

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Stealing an election is a voter suppression tactic...idiot.

I love how when the facts clearly point out the need for a voter ID law the left tries to shift the focus to the right disenfranchising voters. I mean...didn't the Dem's CONFESS to stealing an election. Its pretty clear they understand that when the people vote LEGALLY their people will lose EVERY TIME.

And I'll say it again..you'll hear more about the Obama campaign forging signatures to get on the ballot in Indiana in 2008. It will come up again. People have already testified that the signature on the form isn't theirs...

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

(12-22-2011 04:27 PM)Max Power Wrote:  You can't honestly tell me you don't believe this has a disparate impact on poor people.

You don't know honesty.

You're a liar.

Quote:And yes, for poor people with drivers licenses, getting to the DMV can be a hassle.

It's a hassle for everyone, especially people w/ jobs.

You seem to believe that life should be w/o any minor inconvenience, or else it's "raciss". Actually you don't believe that it's just your lies are so f'n pathetic that's the best you can do.

Quote: Plenty of people carpool on election day; now they have to find carpools to go to the DMV and get licenses too.

Oh my, people actually have to do something to exercise their right to vote. What a tragedy.

Quote: I'm saying this will disproportionately impact the poor over the rich.

And I'm pointing out that you're a f'n liar.

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin

In Wisconsin Dems were caught passing out cigarettes for votes in 2000

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

Not only did the Walker regime instruct DMV employees not to tell DMV customers about the free IDs, but he also proposed to close 16 DMV offices primarily located in areas that lean Democratic. Yet you idiots will still claim there's no intent to suppress voters.

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

(12-22-2011 10:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 10:09 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Republican politicians and operatives are always law abiding, right Richard Nixon?



The GOP is going about it the legal way of course by rigging the system out in the open, with new voter ID laws. It just so happens that most people without driver's licenses are poor people who would tend to vote Democratic, but that's just a coincidence LOL. Maybe we could go back to only allowing property-owning white males to vote, institute reading/literacy requirements, and make people name their favorite Fox News personality too?

So, what would you propose to do instead?

Do about what? Isolated cases of vote fraud? How about investigate and prosecute just like what happened in the case posted above? Stop being an idiot.

(12-23-2011 12:37 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:58 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-23-2011 09:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 11:17 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Just take a look at Wisconsin to see what the GOPers are really trying to do. The Walker regime passes a voter ID law, then told all DMV employees that they were forbidden from telling customers that the free ID was available or from offering one to customers. Wisconsin DMV employees are only allowed to give the free ID if it is specifically requested. It's clearly a voter suppression tactic, but the righties won't own up to it. It's also so funny to see conservatives and libertarians demand the everyone carry a government-issued ID in order to vote. Just more hypocrisy from the right.

Point me to where the DMV employees were directed and forbidden to tell people that free IDs were available. I think youarefullofshit.

UMGrad likes to tell whoppers and never back them up. On top of that, he accuses us of being idiots when we can't validate his lies.

It's not my fault that you are too stupid and lazy to look something up for yourself.

You're the ******* teacher.