(07-20-2011 05:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:49 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:32 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  If he can't afford it he can't afford it. Why are you trying to justify irresponsible behavior and then blame people who aren't?

How is a man working everyday and is paying his bills being "irresponsible" spending $20 a week on coffee? I drink Folgers from a Mr. Coffee because I can't justify a $4 cup of joe not because I can't afford it. It's called freedom (I think it's gonna catch on)

So what is it, can he afford it or not? If he can, then what's the beef about taxes on rich people? If he can't, then why is he buying it?

Yes he can afford it but barely. He's 24 years old has a (paid off) older vehicle, has $30K in student loans, he's single and living payday to payday with an entry level position at a Fortune 500 company. He stops at Starbucks and has fast food everyday. Is he irresponsible?

Financially, I'd say yes. But he's young, has a bright future and is entitled to live it up a little. But if something goes sour he just might wish he banked those lattes.

I do apologize for chasing this rabbit but I get so tired of seeing the self loathing middle class annd working poor allow themselves to be scapegoated for a the ills of the country while worker productivity is at or near an all time high. I admire the American working class.

(07-20-2011 10:30 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  An oven, a refrigerator and air conditioning... those selfish SOBs

AC in poverty really? My Parents who worked their whole life, my sister who works with the poor, and my other sister who is a nurse married to a cop can't afford to put AC in their house.

(07-20-2011 05:49 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:32 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:14 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  We are going to begrudge some working stiff his guilty pleasure of an (overpriced) iced latte but rail for tax cuts for millionaires. It seems to me the blame on this board is laid squarely at the feet of the poor and middle class

If he can't afford it he can't afford it. Why are you trying to justify irresponsible behavior and then blame people who aren't?

How is a man working everyday and is paying his bills being "irresponsible" spending $20 a week on coffee? I drink Folgers from a Mr. Coffee because I can't justify a $4 cup of joe not because I can't afford it. It's called freedom (I think it's gonna catch on)

So what is it, can he afford it or not? If he can, then what's the beef about taxes on rich people? If he can't, then why is he buying it?

Yes he can afford it but barely. He's 24 years old has a (paid off) older vehicle, has $30K in student loans, he's single and living payday to payday with an entry level position at a Fortune 500 company. He stops at Starbucks and has fast food everyday. Is he irresponsible?

financially, yes. If he doesn't complain about it, then cool. It's the people who complain about it, but then still spend on things they don't need, that need to smarten up.

(07-20-2011 06:38 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 10:30 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  An oven, a refrigerator and air conditioning... those selfish SOBs

AC in poverty really? My Parents who worked their whole life, my sister who works with the poor, and my other sister who is a nurse married to a cop can't afford to put AC in their house.

Prisoners in Texas have no Air Conditioning except in the library, infirmary, school and offices.

I didn't live in a house with A/C until I was an adult. Even then, this is an odd graph. More poor people have a cell phone than a dryer?

(07-20-2011 07:30 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 06:38 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 10:30 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  An oven, a refrigerator and air conditioning... those selfish SOBs

AC in poverty really? My Parents who worked their whole life, my sister who works with the poor, and my other sister who is a nurse married to a cop can't afford to put AC in their house.

Prisoners in Texas have no Air Conditioning except in the library, infirmary, school and offices.

I'll bet the infirmary is packed with heat exhaustion patients

Being it's 6 years old they probably have more than 1 cell phone in the house now.

(07-20-2011 05:49 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:32 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:14 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  We are going to begrudge some working stiff his guilty pleasure of an (overpriced) iced latte but rail for tax cuts for millionaires. It seems to me the blame on this board is laid squarely at the feet of the poor and middle class

If he can't afford it he can't afford it. Why are you trying to justify irresponsible behavior and then blame people who aren't?

How is a man working everyday and is paying his bills being "irresponsible" spending $20 a week on coffee? I drink Folgers from a Mr. Coffee because I can't justify a $4 cup of joe not because I can't afford it. It's called freedom (I think it's gonna catch on)

So what is it, can he afford it or not? If he can, then what's the beef about taxes on rich people? If he can't, then why is he buying it?

Yes he can afford it but barely. He's 24 years old has a (paid off) older vehicle, has $30K in student loans, he's single and living payday to payday with an entry level position at a Fortune 500 company. He stops at Starbucks and has fast food everyday. Is he irresponsible?

Shared sacrifice, remember?

(07-20-2011 07:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Being it's 6 years old they probably have more than 1 cell phone in the house now.

(07-20-2011 07:35 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:30 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 06:38 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 10:30 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  An oven, a refrigerator and air conditioning... those selfish SOBs

AC in poverty really? My Parents who worked their whole life, my sister who works with the poor, and my other sister who is a nurse married to a cop can't afford to put AC in their house.

Prisoners in Texas have no Air Conditioning except in the library, infirmary, school and offices.

I'll bet the infirmary is packed with heat exhaustion patients

It's amazing how the human race has manged to make it to 2011 without air condioning from the dawn of time until 60 years ago. How do the Arabs survive without air conditioned camels?

Dude, people get used to their surrounding weather - just axe an Eskimo that can run around naked in cold that would freeze your testes off.

(07-20-2011 07:41 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Being it's 6 years old they probably have more than 1 cell phone in the house now.

Not sure what the laughter means. Do you doubt there are more cells than 6 years ago even among the poor?

(07-20-2011 08:07 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:41 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Being it's 6 years old they probably have more than 1 cell phone in the house now.

Not sure what the laughter means. Do you doubt there are more cells than 6 years ago even among the poor?

He's laughing at Poverty = only having 2 cell phones....or maybe more.

Gotta admit, you remind me of Meathead from All In The Family.

(07-20-2011 05:14 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 04:43 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 04:01 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 03:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 03:52 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  When your conservative overlords convince you to attack yourself and your peers I would say the brainwashing is complete

Yeah, that's what you might get from that. To hell with this personal responsibility crap.

Taking care of ones self is personal responsibility so I will take care of myself, Swoosh can take care of himself and you can take care of Smaug. If that means an occasional hamburger or cup of coffee I have no problems with a hard worker enjoying the fruits of his labor.

wow, way to spin that. an occasional hamburger or cup of coffee? Do you really think a daily iced latte is a smart expense for someone who constantly complains about money? Or what about the coworker who told me about the 3 new pairs of shoes she bought, while in the same breath complaining about being broke? Is she being smart with her money?

We are going to begrudge some working stiff his guilty pleasure of an (overpriced) iced latte but rail for tax cuts for millionaires. It seems to me the blame on this board is laid squarely at the feet of the poor and middle class

Well, yeah, if they weren't so damn lazy they would be rich.

(07-20-2011 05:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:49 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:32 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  If he can't afford it he can't afford it. Why are you trying to justify irresponsible behavior and then blame people who aren't?

How is a man working everyday and is paying his bills being "irresponsible" spending $20 a week on coffee? I drink Folgers from a Mr. Coffee because I can't justify a $4 cup of joe not because I can't afford it. It's called freedom (I think it's gonna catch on)

So what is it, can he afford it or not? If he can, then what's the beef about taxes on rich people? If he can't, then why is he buying it?

Yes he can afford it but barely. He's 24 years old has a (paid off) older vehicle, has $30K in student loans, he's single and living payday to payday with an entry level position at a Fortune 500 company. He stops at Starbucks and has fast food everyday. Is he irresponsible?

Financially, I'd say yes. But he's young, has a bright future and is entitled to live it up a little. But if something goes sour he just might wish he banked those lattes.

Says the man who spent 25,000+ on stereo equipment and god only knows how much a Mc Mansion and then lost his job and whined about his possibly losing his house. MAybe you were young and naive when you bought your stereo system?

(07-20-2011 06:38 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 10:30 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  An oven, a refrigerator and air conditioning... those selfish SOBs

AC in poverty really? My Parents who worked their whole life, my sister who works with the poor, and my other sister who is a nurse married to a cop can't afford to put AC in their house.

Um, you do realize that most poor people don't actually own their own home don't you? You do realize that most apartments/rental homes(where many/most of the poor live-at least in the north) have at a minimum a window air conditioner, right?

(07-20-2011 07:06 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:49 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:32 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 05:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  If he can't afford it he can't afford it. Why are you trying to justify irresponsible behavior and then blame people who aren't?

How is a man working everyday and is paying his bills being "irresponsible" spending $20 a week on coffee? I drink Folgers from a Mr. Coffee because I can't justify a $4 cup of joe not because I can't afford it. It's called freedom (I think it's gonna catch on)

So what is it, can he afford it or not? If he can, then what's the beef about taxes on rich people? If he can't, then why is he buying it?

Yes he can afford it but barely. He's 24 years old has a (paid off) older vehicle, has $30K in student loans, he's single and living payday to payday with an entry level position at a Fortune 500 company. He stops at Starbucks and has fast food everyday. Is he irresponsible?

financially, yes. If he doesn't complain about it, then cool. It's the people who complain about it, but then still spend on things they don't need, that need to smarten up.

So now you are an authority on what a person needs?

(07-20-2011 07:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I didn't live in a house with A/C until I was an adult. Even then, this is an odd graph. More poor people have a cell phone than a dryer?

Where the hell have you been living? In a cave? Most poor people live in a damn rental unit! They do not own a damn house. They use a frickin' laundromat to wash their clothing they don't own a dryer. So yes, to those of us not living in a frickin' cave, would realize that more poor people would have a cell phone than a dryer.

(07-20-2011 09:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 08:07 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:41 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Being it's 6 years old they probably have more than 1 cell phone in the house now.

Not sure what the laughter means. Do you doubt there are more cells than 6 years ago even among the poor?

He's laughing at Poverty = only having 2 cell phones....or maybe more.

Gotta admit, you remind me of Meathead from All In The Family.

Gotta admit, you remind me of Archie from All In The Family.

(07-20-2011 08:07 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:41 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Being it's 6 years old they probably have more than 1 cell phone in the house now.

Not sure what the laughter means. Do you doubt there are more cells than 6 years ago even among the poor?

I thought you were being cute,clever and funny (don't ask me why)

(07-21-2011 02:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-20-2011 07:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I didn't live in a house with A/C until I was an adult. Even then, this is an odd graph. More poor people have a cell phone than a dryer?

Where the hell have you been living? In a cave? Most poor people live in a damn rental unit! They do not own a damn house. They use a frickin' laundromat to wash their clothing they don't own a dryer. So yes, to those of us not living in a frickin' cave, would realize that more poor people would have a cell phone than a dryer.

I had not considered that. You make a good point.

Sadly, it was, as usual, couched within a warrantless, childish personal attack, which, as I am only human, makes me want to change my reply to "**** you."

Want to be treated like an adult? Act like one.