(04-02-2011 09:54 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-30-2011 11:49 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-30-2011 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The Certificate of Live Birth he released was proven legimitate by two independent bodies in factcheck and politifact.

If this did not truly represent his actual Birth Certificate, I have yet to hear one credible reason why everyone in the Hawaii Health Department, including Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino, and former Republican Governor Linda Lingle would participate in this fraud.

C'mon...it took all of about 5 minutes for everyone in the state offices of Ohio to know every detail of the life of Joe "not a" Plumber.

But I agree...the more the far right keeps this in the media...the more of a pass Obama gets on real criticism for his policies and practices.

BIngo!!!!....+1:ncaabbs:

The birthers truly are the conspiracy theorists of today. They're just as wacky as the people who say we faked the moon landing. But after all these years, their shtick has gotten old. If Trump wants to latch on to this issue, he will destroy any credibility he might have had.

It is too late...That cat is out of the bag and can not be put back in. Trump blew it before he started.

You guys misunderstand Trump. He doesn't care about any of this.

Trump is trying to pick a fight. His reasoning is that whoever is seen as willing to fight Obama toe-to-toe will get the nomination. I think he's got the right idea too.

(04-02-2011 02:29 PM)Claw Wrote:  You guys misunderstand Trump. He doesn't care about any of this.

Trump is trying to pick a fight. His reasoning is that whoever is seen as willing to fight Obama toe-to-toe will get the nomination. I think he's got the right idea too.

I don't think picking a fight is a bad strategy...just pick a fight that people actually care about. This unconstitutional incursion into Libya would be a good place to start.

(03-31-2011 02:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  There is no doubt in my mind that Obama fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement.

Given that, there is an extraordinary amount of secrecy around basic facts, particularly from someone who has promised so much transparency. Things like his college transcripts and theses concern me far more than his birth certificate. Does anyone actually believe that, for example, George W. Bush, would have been able to cloak all his records in secrecy without being called in to account?

I guess I'm a "transcripter." I really think Obama is taking advantage of the ability to portray the birthers as nuts to hide the fact that this "transparent" president has been anything but.

People who have nothing to hide don't try to hide it. I just don't think the birth certificate is what he wants to hide.

Perhaps some college records list his religion as "Muslim" ?

Its been discussed since 2008 that Bill Ayers actually wrote Dreams From My Father, and Trump just stated stirring that up.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/w...the_1.html

And coincidentally...

You Saw This Coming: Fox News Announces ‘Mondays With Trump’ On Fox & Friends

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/you-saw-this-...x-friends/

C' mon WMD...really? You honestly believe colleges require you disclose religion anywhere? Besides, in America your religion, sex, and skin color aren't supposed to matter...they don't matter to me, do they matter to you?

I really hate to even think this, but as these ridiculous theories continue to become more sublime it leaves me with little else than to conclude that they are based on nothing but pure hatred and likely racism. Sorry. Hopefully, people are just really that stupid instead.

And Ayers was making a ******* joke!

(04-03-2011 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I really hate to even think this, but as these ridiculous theories continue to become more sublime it leaves me with little else than to conclude that they are based on nothing but pure hatred and likely racism.

THIS is what bothers me, Tom...

The people making excuses for Obama like this are TRYING to give him the benefit of the doubt that there is SOME "rational" reason he refuses to do something so simple... and people like you call us hate filled and racists.

Rather that expending all of your energy making false claims (the document is too fragile??) and pointing fingers at the questioners, can YOU come up with a reason why someone on Law Revue would REFUSE to release his transcript? Can YOU explain why someone committed to the most open, transparent administration in history would decline? I understand why Michelle would decline. She didn't run for office and wasn't elected. Why would he?

When you can offer a reasonable explanation for that, you can question the motives of those that are asking for disclosure.

Hambone.. I've given you plenty of reasons. He has nothing to gain from showing these documents.

If he does show them, you really think those fringe right wingers out there are going to change their mind and vote for him? Of course not. If he doesn't show them though, these types of people are constantly in the media, and they turn off the moderate voters with their silly conspiracy theories. Like Redwing says, it makes those people look like foolish racists who aren't worried about things that actually matter, like the economy, or going into Libya.

It is completely to Obama's advantage to have this in the news for as long as possible, he will never release any documents. He has absolutely nothing to gain from doing so. The more he can marginalize the far right wing the better off he is. Those people will never vote for him anyways, so he has no reason to pander to them.

You've asked why doesn't he have these types of documents released. I ask you, give one good reason Obama would do so? How would it help his career?

(04-04-2011 08:42 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Hambone.. I've given you plenty of reasons. He has nothing to gain from showing these documents.

If he does show them, you really think those fringe right wingers out there are going to change their mind and vote for him? Of course not. If he doesn't show them though, these types of people are constantly in the media, and they turn off the moderate voters with their silly conspiracy theories. Like Redwing says, it makes those people look like foolish racists who aren't worried about things that actually matter, like the economy, or going into Libya.

It is completely to Obama's advantage to have this in the news for as long as possible, he will never release any documents. He has absolutely nothing to gain from doing so. The more he can marginalize the far right wing the better off he is. Those people will never vote for him anyways, so he has no reason to pander to them.

You've asked why doesn't he have these types of documents released. I ask you, give one good reason Obama would do so? How would it help his career?

That's not a reason. He didn't do that at the time to marginalize racists. He may have turned it into that since then, but that just makes it WORSE in my world.

Claiming transparency and then hiding basic facts is a lie and if he is doing what you say is intentionally divisive.... from someone who claimed to want to unite us. Not everyone who wants him to be honest with us and sees this as a lie is a racist... yet in an effort to marginalize me, he/you're painting me as such. The RACIST is the one who does as he is doing... describing everyone against him, even people of color, into a racist.

Why would he? Because he said he'd be open, transparent and uniting. Or are you agreeing that he's at least as big a liar as Bush?

He's not hiding anything.. if the GOP really had something here, you don't think they would have done something about it? If they legitimately thought they could get him out of office, don't you think it would have happened?

If I thought this was a legitimate issue, and not a comical conspiracy theory that should be laughed at, sure I'd compare it to Bush.

There's a reason legitimate GOP members like Tim Pawlenty shoot this crap down while those make money off controversy like Donald Trump talk about it. Those who are actually running a campaign know as well as anyone how stupid it looks. Just like legitimate Dems stay as far away from those ridiculous liberal conspiracy theorists who believe 9/11 is an inside job. You don't see Bush going around wasting his time denying that garbage, because it's not a real issue. No different than this.

Raceist. The race card is not working anymore. He's black, so what? It would behove you to carry the water for someone who deserves it. I liken this to the OJ Simpson trial, a guilty black man was found not guilty. Why, because the system does not always work. I'd like to hear you try to convince anyone OJ did not murder 2 people.

(04-04-2011 09:46 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Raceist. The race card is not working anymore. He's black, so what? It would behove you to carry the water for someone who deserves it. I liken this to the OJ Simpson trial, a guilty black man was found not guilty. Why, because the system does not always work. I'd like to hear you try to convince anyone OJ did not murder 2 people.

Do you ever make a post that's on topic?

(04-04-2011 10:03 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 09:46 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Raceist. The race card is not working anymore. He's black, so what? It would behove you to carry the water for someone who deserves it. I liken this to the OJ Simpson trial, a guilty black man was found not guilty. Why, because the system does not always work. I'd like to hear you try to convince anyone OJ did not murder 2 people.

Do you ever make a post that's on topic?

Let me put this in terms even you, the other Chit4brains can understand. Where the gov't is concerned, Failure is always a preferred option.

So his answer was a big "No.", if that wasn't clear enough Childers.

(04-04-2011 12:28 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  So his answer was a big "No.", if that wasn't clear enough Childers.

You are delusional, thinking that.

(04-02-2011 02:29 PM)Claw Wrote:  You guys misunderstand Trump. He doesn't care about any of this.

Trump is trying to pick a fight. His reasoning is that whoever is seen as willing to fight Obama toe-to-toe will get the nomination. I think he's got the right idea too.

I think you're exactly right. Figuring out his play is a bit harder, but this seems par for the course for Donald Trump.

(04-04-2011 12:28 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  So his answer was a big "No.", if that wasn't clear enough Childers.

Yeah, I got that. Does he always post non sequiturs?

(04-04-2011 09:26 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  He's not hiding anything.. if the GOP really had something here, you don't think they would have done something about it? If they legitimately thought they could get him out of office, don't you think it would have happened?

First, have you been paying attention at all, or did you just walk in on the endo of this and ASSUME that anyone questioning his motives must be simply trying to get his election overturned?? Second, You DO realize there are laws that protect your privacy... and that releasing your transcripts isn't legally required... and that once certified, the point of his birth is moot? If you think I want him kicked out and replaced by Biden, you're crazy.

Apparently they DO think they have something because they have tried, and filed numerous suits. Rather than be the transparent government they promised to be and provide the documents, The Obama administration has decided to fight the suits. I don't know why, but as it has been a common practice to release those documents... even when they show relatively mediocre performance of a President chided for his relative lack of intelligence... it makes me wonder.

Quote:If I thought this was a legitimate issue, and not a comical conspiracy theory that should be laughed at, sure I'd compare it to Bush.

There's a reason legitimate GOP members like Tim Pawlenty shoot this crap down while those make money off controversy like Donald Trump talk about it. Those who are actually running a campaign know as well as anyone how stupid it looks. Just like legitimate Dems stay as far away from those ridiculous liberal conspiracy theorists who believe 9/11 is an inside job. You don't see Bush going around wasting his time denying that garbage, because it's not a real issue. No different than this.

It IS an issue of trust... and that is EXACTLY what this guy ran on.

There is a difference between thinking some evidence exists and KNOWING it does. We KNOW he has a transcript. We KNOW he has a birth certificate. Some people THINK 9/11 was an inside job.

Of course, you've raised the spector yourself. While it is easy to understand why the Bush administration would hide evidence of an inside job, why would the Obama administration hide evidence of good grades at one of the most prestigious Universities in the country?

Trust STARTS with honesty... not with deceit. It's not MY job to figure out what he's hiding. It's HIS job to earn my trust. If you don't get that, then you're putting party over country.

Hambone, where did Obama ever say that the transparency he spoke of on the campaign had anything to do with elected officials personal lives and past history? I would think you conservatives would be all for personal privacy from the government. Silly me

He campaigned on transparency in government, which I think we all want. Has he done a great job of this? I don't really think he has, but you also have to realize that a lot of this he has no control of because congress is a separate branch of government and they aren't about to start being transparent until we start screaming more.

The only reason that Trump is going after the Kenyan is because he is trying to increase the Celebrity Apprentice's ratings. As soon as that goes off the air, he will disappear back under the hair.

(04-04-2011 03:05 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The only reason that Trump is going after the Kenyan is because he is trying to increase the Celebrity Apprentice's ratings. As soon as that goes off the air, he will disappear back under the hair.

Would not surprise me one bit.