(09-14-2026 11:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Why would Iran be making them if they weren't going to use it? Why did Obama have an Iran Nuclear Deal? So Obama was "fear mongering"? You are talking in circles.

Having a nuke is much more powerful than using a nuke. That's why India and Pakistan may have little flare-ups, but neither has made moves to take serious territory from each other.

It's the ultimate FAFO tool. Iran can't have a nuke because with conventional weapons they have been destabilizing the region for decades. They would 100% hold the strait hostage if they ever had one.

(09-14-2026 12:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 11:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Why would Iran be making them if they weren't going to use it? Why did Obama have an Iran Nuclear Deal? So Obama was "fear mongering"? You are talking in circles.

Having a nuke is much more powerful than using a nuke. That's why India and Pakistan may have little flare-ups, but neither has made moves to take serious territory from each other.

It's the ultimate FAFO tool. Iran can't have a nuke because with conventional weapons they have been destabilizing the region for decades. They would 100% hold the strait hostage if they ever had one.

Neither of those countries have said they will remove another country from the map. There is only one way to do that. I said months ago we should Nagasaki Tehran. Get it over with already. There is no difference between the 2026 IRGC and the 1945 empire of Japan. Hell, we had to hit them twice for them to believe it was over.

Gas Prices Surge As Gulf States Call Off Meeting to Reopen Strait of Hormuz

(09-14-2026 01:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Gas Prices Surge As Gulf States Call Off Meeting to Reopen Strait of Hormuz

They making bank. The last thing they want is for there to be an oversupply of oil to hit the market.

(09-14-2026 11:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Why would Iran be making them if they weren't going to use it? Why did Obama have an Iran Nuclear Deal? So Obama was "fear mongering"? You are talking in circles.

Yeah, sorry...no...that's not me. That's you.

When have I ever said Iran should have a nuclear weapon? When have I ever said that we should NOT do things to limit them from acquiring one? That's what Obama did. And he had a decent (no, not perfect) deal that by most accounts was working. And I would not have any issue with trump trying to make that deal better...or even killing it altogether. The issue was killing it with nothing to take its place. That was a mistake and you have to know that...especially if you continually claim that they would use a weapon if they had it.

Fear mongering is saying they were/are weeks away from either getting one and/or using one when there was no indication of that anywhere. They basically pulled the same **** Bush used to go after Iraq after 9/11.

North Korea has them along with a few other bad actors. Are they using them any time soon?

(09-14-2026 12:12 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  They would 100% hold the strait hostage if they ever had one.

Ummmm....might want to turn on the news.

(09-14-2026 01:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Gas Prices Surge As Gulf States Call Off Meeting to Reopen Strait of Hormuz

Heckuva job, trumpy!

(09-14-2026 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Gas Prices Surge As Gulf States Call Off Meeting to Reopen Strait of Hormuz

Heckuva job, trumpy!

Sounds like a Saudi/Yemen thing.

(09-14-2026 10:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 09:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 09:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 08:19 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  But Biden wanted 50% of the country to be driving an EV in 4 years.
Biden quote regarding "fossil" fuels: "We're gonna phase it out." If Harris was POTUS right now, Iran would have a Nuke and mostly likely already used it and who knows what oil and fuel prices would be. We KNOW why it is high now. When that is settled those prices will go down considerably. Democrats will do absolutely nothing to lower the costs of anything if/when they get control. Their whole plan is to blow the system up so they can control EVERYTHING. "You will take the bus and love it".

It doesn't matter what Biden said of if he wanted to blot out the ******* moon. That wasn't going to make the O&G industry do a ******* thing unless there was some congressionally passed legislation.

That's not how any of this works.

And you're being ridiculous in claiming or thinking that Iran was going to nuke anybody no matter who the ******* president is now.

The "Doomsday Clock" went from 89 seconds to midnight to 85 seconds to midnight after trump's folly started, not before. We're more closer to a nuclear war now than at any point in our history. Thanks don!

So, we are now closer to nuclear war than we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Really?

Someone isn't very informed on history. If Iran had a Nuke they would have used it. What exactly are they waiting for? "Doomsday Clock". Who is in charge of that? We know Iran wants Democrats in control in the US. ALL of our enemies want Democrats in charge because they can do what they want, and we bow down to them, and in some cases we fund them.

History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

(09-14-2026 01:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 10:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 09:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 09:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 08:19 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  But Biden wanted 50% of the country to be driving an EV in 4 years.
Biden quote regarding "fossil" fuels: "We're gonna phase it out." If Harris was POTUS right now, Iran would have a Nuke and mostly likely already used it and who knows what oil and fuel prices would be. We KNOW why it is high now. When that is settled those prices will go down considerably. Democrats will do absolutely nothing to lower the costs of anything if/when they get control. Their whole plan is to blow the system up so they can control EVERYTHING. "You will take the bus and love it".

It doesn't matter what Biden said of if he wanted to blot out the ******* moon. That wasn't going to make the O&G industry do a ******* thing unless there was some congressionally passed legislation.

That's not how any of this works.

And you're being ridiculous in claiming or thinking that Iran was going to nuke anybody no matter who the ******* president is now.

The "Doomsday Clock" went from 89 seconds to midnight to 85 seconds to midnight after trump's folly started, not before. We're more closer to a nuclear war now than at any point in our history. Thanks don!

So, we are now closer to nuclear war than we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Really?

Someone isn't very informed on history. If Iran had a Nuke they would have used it. What exactly are they waiting for? "Doomsday Clock". Who is in charge of that? We know Iran wants Democrats in control in the US. ALL of our enemies want Democrats in charge because they can do what they want, and we bow down to them, and in some cases we fund them.

History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

Do you think that's due to a lack of trying?

(09-14-2026 01:52 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 10:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 09:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 09:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It doesn't matter what Biden said of if he wanted to blot out the ******* moon. That wasn't going to make the O&G industry do a ******* thing unless there was some congressionally passed legislation.

That's not how any of this works.

And you're being ridiculous in claiming or thinking that Iran was going to nuke anybody no matter who the ******* president is now.

The "Doomsday Clock" went from 89 seconds to midnight to 85 seconds to midnight after trump's folly started, not before. We're more closer to a nuclear war now than at any point in our history. Thanks don!

So, we are now closer to nuclear war than we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Really?

Someone isn't very informed on history. If Iran had a Nuke they would have used it. What exactly are they waiting for? "Doomsday Clock". Who is in charge of that? We know Iran wants Democrats in control in the US. ALL of our enemies want Democrats in charge because they can do what they want, and we bow down to them, and in some cases we fund them.

History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

Do you think that's due to a lack of trying?

Yes, those countries all have nukes and could "try" them at the push of a button, but they haven't.

(09-15-2026 07:49 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:52 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 10:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 09:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  So, we are now closer to nuclear war than we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Really?

Someone isn't very informed on history. If Iran had a Nuke they would have used it. What exactly are they waiting for? "Doomsday Clock". Who is in charge of that? We know Iran wants Democrats in control in the US. ALL of our enemies want Democrats in charge because they can do what they want, and we bow down to them, and in some cases we fund them.

History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

Do you think that's due to a lack of trying?

Yes, those countries all have nukes and could "try" them at the push of a button, but they haven't.

Speaking more from a rouge state perspective, terrorists, etc. I'd imagine they are constantly trying to obtain a weapon. I have no doubt Iran would use one if it ever got one as well.

(09-15-2026 07:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 07:49 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:52 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 10:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Someone isn't very informed on history. If Iran had a Nuke they would have used it. What exactly are they waiting for? "Doomsday Clock". Who is in charge of that? We know Iran wants Democrats in control in the US. ALL of our enemies want Democrats in charge because they can do what they want, and we bow down to them, and in some cases we fund them.

History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

Do you think that's due to a lack of trying?

Yes, those countries all have nukes and could "try" them at the push of a button, but they haven't.

Speaking more from a rouge state perspective, terrorists, etc. I'd imagine they are constantly trying to obtain a weapon. I have no doubt Iran would use one if it ever got one as well.

They have said they would. Every country that has nukes has them for defense. Iran is on record as saying they want them for offense.

(09-15-2026 07:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 07:49 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:52 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 10:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Someone isn't very informed on history. If Iran had a Nuke they would have used it. What exactly are they waiting for? "Doomsday Clock". Who is in charge of that? We know Iran wants Democrats in control in the US. ALL of our enemies want Democrats in charge because they can do what they want, and we bow down to them, and in some cases we fund them.

History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

Do you think that's due to a lack of trying?

Yes, those countries all have nukes and could "try" them at the push of a button, but they haven't.

Speaking more from a rouge state perspective, terrorists, etc. I'd imagine they are constantly trying to obtain a weapon. I have no doubt Iran would use one if it ever got one as well.

That would mean retaliatory nuclear strikes to major population centers throughout Iran. What do they gain from that? I think MAD still applies, even to the radical revolutionaries currently in charge of the country.

That said, I'm still strongly in favor of preventing them from ever obtaining one.

Why? North Korea has been way more unhinged historically, actually has nukes, and still has yet to use them.

If they wanted to nuke us by proxy via terrorists then don't you think NK, China, or Russia would have supplied them to someone somewhere by now? No, because the end result is the same no matter who does it. MAD. If we get nuked we aren't waiting to ask questions about whodunit, we'll be out for blood a la Ft. Sumter, USS Maine, PH, Tonkin, and 9/11 and end the world as we know it. The survivors will pick up the pieces.

(09-15-2026 09:15 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 07:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 07:49 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:52 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

Do you think that's due to a lack of trying?

Yes, those countries all have nukes and could "try" them at the push of a button, but they haven't.

Speaking more from a rouge state perspective, terrorists, etc. I'd imagine they are constantly trying to obtain a weapon. I have no doubt Iran would use one if it ever got one as well.

They have said they would. Every country that has nukes has them for defense. Iran is on record as saying they want them for offense.

Yeah, not really.

From GPT-5.6 Terra

Quote:In a May 2025 interview, Fereydoon Abbasi-Davani—a former head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, former member of parliament, and IRGC-linked nuclear scientist—said Iran could build a small nuclear device capable of destroying a military base. In the same interview he called for strikes against Israeli targets if the "Resistance Front" faced threats, including nuclear threats. Reporting on the interview also described him as saying a nuclear weapon could be used against the United States, Britain, and Israel without necessarily being delivered by missile or aircraft. (eurasia.ro)

That is a meaningful example, but with two important qualifications:

It was not an official Iranian government declaration or a declared nuclear-use doctrine. Abbasi was a very senior former official, but he was not speaking as the sitting government or Supreme National Security Council.

Iran's formal, repeated public position has been the opposite: that it does not seek nuclear weapons and that producing, possessing, and using them is prohibited on religious and legal grounds. Iran has made that claim in UN statements, and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei [EDIT: Before his death] has repeatedly said nuclear weapons would not be used. (estatements.un.org)

So the careful answer is: yes, an influential former Iranian official has publicly suggested possible nuclear use in a conflict; but I am not aware of a formal, authoritative Iranian state policy statement saying, "If Iran gets nuclear weapons, it will use them."

And funny...since they took out the Supreme leader, his replacement seems to be more rogue. Heckuva job trumpy!

(09-15-2026 09:18 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 07:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-15-2026 07:49 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:52 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 01:50 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  History shows that WE are they only country to use nuclear weapons on another country and I think most of us would agree that those were justified and saved millions of American lives. History shows that no country wants to try and risk MAD. If Iran was so bent on Jihad and wiping countries off the map and martyring themselves then why aren't they attacking anyone and everyone all the time? Because the desire for self preservation is a thing, even for them. I mean China, Russia, NK, and Israel have them, and as evil as we think the first three of those are and as in dire straits the last one has been in you'd think SOMEONE would have popped one off by now, but that simply isn't the case.

Do you think that's due to a lack of trying?

Yes, those countries all have nukes and could "try" them at the push of a button, but they haven't.

Speaking more from a rouge state perspective, terrorists, etc. I'd imagine they are constantly trying to obtain a weapon. I have no doubt Iran would use one if it ever got one as well.

That would mean retaliatory nuclear strikes to major population centers throughout Iran. What do they gain from that? I think MAD still applies, even to the radical revolutionaries currently in charge of the country.

That said, I'm still strongly in favor of preventing them from ever obtaining one.

What do they have to gain? A bunch of virgins, according to them. I don't think they'd care much about retaliatory strikes. This is why I don't care so much for temporary high fuel prices given that Iran has no chance to develop a full fledged nuclear weapon.

Notice the people in power aren't the ones wearing the vests and martyring themselves. They get the uneducated overly zealous religious ones to do it for them. The ones in power very much want to stay alive and enjoy their power.

(09-15-2026 11:06 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Notice the people in power aren't the ones wearing the vests and martyring themselves. They get the uneducated overly zealous religious ones to do it for them. The ones in power very much want to stay alive and enjoy their power.

They'll just move to Russia if it looks like the inevitable to about to occur.

(09-14-2026 01:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2026 11:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Why would Iran be making them if they weren't going to use it? Why did Obama have an Iran Nuclear Deal? So Obama was "fear mongering"? You are talking in circles.

Yeah, sorry...no...that's not me. That's you.

When have I ever said Iran should have a nuclear weapon? When have I ever said that we should NOT do things to limit them from acquiring one? That's what Obama did. And he had a decent (no, not perfect) deal that by most accounts was working. And I would not have any issue with trump trying to make that deal better...or even killing it altogether. The issue was killing it with nothing to take its place. That was a mistake and you have to know that...especially if you continually claim that they would use a weapon if they had it.

Fear mongering is saying they were/are weeks away from either getting one and/or using one when there was no indication of that anywhere. They basically pulled the same **** Bush used to go after Iraq after 9/11.

North Korea has them along with a few other bad actors. Are they using them any time soon?

Obama deal was never going to work. Only a clueless clown would believe otherwise. Israelis were constantly killing nuclear scientists attempting to enrich uranium to weapons grade. It was only a matter of time. Now, when that time was almost at hand Trump ACTED.

Since, then he has twatwaffled too much to finish what he started.

Btw,Trump needs to understand no one gives a sheet about the Liars in Iran begging for a deal. Those thugs are just buying time. Stop taking the bait.

Until their will is broken these thugs will carry on business as usual