(06-18-2026 07:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-17-2026 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-11-2026 10:35 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-11-2026 10:08 AM)mlb Wrote:  Glad the tax breaks have brought the cost down... but I keep seeing articles that the oil and gas industry are warning that there is going to be a jump in the next month because inventories are dropping. Fingers crossed we don't get to that point, especially before I take my trip to the beach next month.

Those articles have been written since March. The Pascagoula Chevron refinery is at max capacity with the influx of Venezuelan oil coming in. US and Venezuelan production is only increasing. You can't listen to the guys that get huge bonuses when oil prices shoot through the roof. They WANT that to happen. Also, a lot more oil is moving through the Strait of Hormuz than these websites that "monitor" ship traffic, because the ships turn off their transponders. There is a reason oil is trading around $90/bbl now.

Trump said himself in his press conference today that the world was 4 weeks out from having an oil crisis due to the record low inventories across the globe. So unless you know more than him or the oil execs then it does seem as though it was/is a real risk.

He also said we have been escorting up to 30 ships a night through the Strait which we know to be true. The traders knew it as well as the Oil Executives. That's why oil prices plummeted. Executives wanted people to think it was still closed. I've said this three times now. The US has over 40 billion barrels of oil waiting to be pumped. We don't have a supply problem. The rest of the world does.

The US doesn't own that oil, and the US doesn't determine when or how quickly that oil actually gets pumped. If oil were nationalized and as a country we made the decision to massively ramp up drilling and pumping then sure your point would have some validity. That's not the case though, those decisions are made by the corporations that own the oil and the facilities and made based upon maximizing their profits not what's best for the country.

Also, normal traffic through the strait is between 120-140 ships per day. Up to 30 isn't nothing, but that's not game changing even if it was completely true. It was just a bandaide on the gunshot wound, maybe extending out the drop dead date longer.

(06-18-2026 08:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 07:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-17-2026 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-11-2026 10:35 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-11-2026 10:08 AM)mlb Wrote:  Glad the tax breaks have brought the cost down... but I keep seeing articles that the oil and gas industry are warning that there is going to be a jump in the next month because inventories are dropping. Fingers crossed we don't get to that point, especially before I take my trip to the beach next month.

Those articles have been written since March. The Pascagoula Chevron refinery is at max capacity with the influx of Venezuelan oil coming in. US and Venezuelan production is only increasing. You can't listen to the guys that get huge bonuses when oil prices shoot through the roof. They WANT that to happen. Also, a lot more oil is moving through the Strait of Hormuz than these websites that "monitor" ship traffic, because the ships turn off their transponders. There is a reason oil is trading around $90/bbl now.

Trump said himself in his press conference today that the world was 4 weeks out from having an oil crisis due to the record low inventories across the globe. So unless you know more than him or the oil execs then it does seem as though it was/is a real risk.

He also said we have been escorting up to 30 ships a night through the Strait which we know to be true. The traders knew it as well as the Oil Executives. That's why oil prices plummeted. Executives wanted people to think it was still closed. I've said this three times now. The US has over 40 billion barrels of oil waiting to be pumped. We don't have a supply problem. The rest of the world does.

The US doesn't own that oil, and the US doesn't determine when or how quickly that oil actually gets pumped. If oil were nationalized and as a country we made the decision to massively ramp up drilling and pumping then sure your point would have some validity. That's not the case though, those decisions are made by the corporations that own the oil and the facilities and made based upon maximizing their profits not what's best for the country.

Also, normal traffic through the strait is between 120-140 ships per day. Up to 30 isn't nothing, but that's not game changing even if it was completely true. It was just a bandaide on the gunshot wound, maybe extending out the drop dead date longer.

Actually, on a normal day about 50 large tankers transit the strait (20million bbls). So, yes up to 30/day is about 12million bbls. That's what was being escorted over the past couple of weeks.

(06-18-2026 07:52 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  to the resident Oil & Energy Markets & Futures expert: List the MEDIAN, not the average.


I paid $3.12 three days ago, I'm sure it's lower now

Per copilot:

Quote:Closest practical interpretation

If you want a reasonable proxy:

Gas prices cluster in tiers around the average (based on AAA’s distribution bands shown on the national map):

~$3.40–$3.80 (lower-cost states)
~$3.80–$4.20 (large middle band)
~$4.20–$5.60 (higher-cost states) [gasprices.aaa.com]

? Because a large share of states fall in the middle band, the median is likely close to the average (~$4.00)—but that is an inference, not a published statistic.

$3.25 on my corner yesterday.

(06-18-2026 09:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 07:52 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  to the resident Oil & Energy Markets & Futures expert: List the MEDIAN, not the average.


I paid $3.12 three days ago, I'm sure it's lower now

Per copilot:

Quote:Closest practical interpretation

If you want a reasonable proxy:

Gas prices cluster in tiers around the average (based on AAA’s distribution bands shown on the national map):

~$3.40–$3.80 (lower-cost states)
~$3.80–$4.20 (large middle band)
~$4.20–$5.60 (higher-cost states) [gasprices.aaa.com]

? Because a large share of states fall in the middle band, the median is likely close to the average (~$4.00)—but that is an inference, not a published statistic.

The median is currently $3.87 and dropping. The average price for CA is almost $2 per gallon more than the median.

(06-18-2026 09:16 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 08:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 07:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-17-2026 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-11-2026 10:35 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Those articles have been written since March. The Pascagoula Chevron refinery is at max capacity with the influx of Venezuelan oil coming in. US and Venezuelan production is only increasing. You can't listen to the guys that get huge bonuses when oil prices shoot through the roof. They WANT that to happen. Also, a lot more oil is moving through the Strait of Hormuz than these websites that "monitor" ship traffic, because the ships turn off their transponders. There is a reason oil is trading around $90/bbl now.

Trump said himself in his press conference today that the world was 4 weeks out from having an oil crisis due to the record low inventories across the globe. So unless you know more than him or the oil execs then it does seem as though it was/is a real risk.

He also said we have been escorting up to 30 ships a night through the Strait which we know to be true. The traders knew it as well as the Oil Executives. That's why oil prices plummeted. Executives wanted people to think it was still closed. I've said this three times now. The US has over 40 billion barrels of oil waiting to be pumped. We don't have a supply problem. The rest of the world does.

The US doesn't own that oil, and the US doesn't determine when or how quickly that oil actually gets pumped. If oil were nationalized and as a country we made the decision to massively ramp up drilling and pumping then sure your point would have some validity. That's not the case though, those decisions are made by the corporations that own the oil and the facilities and made based upon maximizing their profits not what's best for the country.

Also, normal traffic through the strait is between 120-140 ships per day. Up to 30 isn't nothing, but that's not game changing even if it was completely true. It was just a bandaide on the gunshot wound, maybe extending out the drop dead date longer.

Actually, on a normal day about 50 large tankers transit the strait (20million bbls). So, yes up to 30/day is about 12million bbls. That's what was being escorted over the past couple of weeks.

I'm going to take your numbers as fact, no idea if it's true or not. If on a normal day only 50 large tankers go through the strait it's not reasonable to believe we were able to sneak through 2/3 of the large tanker volume of a normal day during just nighttime hours. They would have to go both in and out of the strait during the night, and somehow also Iran not notice anything at all during the day when these large tankers are doing what exactly? These large tankers move slow as hell, between 12-16 knots. Not that I trust the google AI completely, but here is what it says regarding how long it takes for tankers to move through the strait.

Under normal conditions, an oil tanker takes about 1 to 2 days to transit the Persian Gulf and pass through the Strait of Hormuz to reach the open waters of the Arabian Sea.

Initial Transit Time: A standard voyage from major loading hubs in Saudi Arabia (Ras Tanura), UAE (Ruwais), or Qatar to the Strait of Hormuz takes roughly 15 to 35 hours of continuous sailing.

Basically all of this is to say there is no way in hell we were routinely getting through 30 mega tankers a night without getting caught. MAYBE we got through up to 30 ships of some kind on some nights, but there's no way it was 30 large tankers a night since they can't even physically make the entire trip over the course of 1 night.

(06-18-2026 09:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 09:16 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 08:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 07:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-17-2026 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trump said himself in his press conference today that the world was 4 weeks out from having an oil crisis due to the record low inventories across the globe. So unless you know more than him or the oil execs then it does seem as though it was/is a real risk.

He also said we have been escorting up to 30 ships a night through the Strait which we know to be true. The traders knew it as well as the Oil Executives. That's why oil prices plummeted. Executives wanted people to think it was still closed. I've said this three times now. The US has over 40 billion barrels of oil waiting to be pumped. We don't have a supply problem. The rest of the world does.

The US doesn't own that oil, and the US doesn't determine when or how quickly that oil actually gets pumped. If oil were nationalized and as a country we made the decision to massively ramp up drilling and pumping then sure your point would have some validity. That's not the case though, those decisions are made by the corporations that own the oil and the facilities and made based upon maximizing their profits not what's best for the country.

Also, normal traffic through the strait is between 120-140 ships per day. Up to 30 isn't nothing, but that's not game changing even if it was completely true. It was just a bandaide on the gunshot wound, maybe extending out the drop dead date longer.

Actually, on a normal day about 50 large tankers transit the strait (20million bbls). So, yes up to 30/day is about 12million bbls. That's what was being escorted over the past couple of weeks.

I'm going to take your numbers as fact, no idea if it's true or not. If on a normal day only 50 large tankers go through the strait it's not reasonable to believe we were able to sneak through 2/3 of the large tanker volume of a normal day during just nighttime hours. They would have to go both in and out of the strait during the night, and somehow also Iran not notice anything at all during the day when these large tankers are doing what exactly? These large tankers move slow as hell, between 12-16 knots. Not that I trust the google AI completely, but here is what it says regarding how long it takes for tankers to move through the strait.

Under normal conditions, an oil tanker takes about 1 to 2 days to transit the Persian Gulf and pass through the Strait of Hormuz to reach the open waters of the Arabian Sea.

Initial Transit Time: A standard voyage from major loading hubs in Saudi Arabia (Ras Tanura), UAE (Ruwais), or Qatar to the Strait of Hormuz takes roughly 15 to 35 hours of continuous sailing.

Basically all of this is to say there is no way in hell we were routinely getting through 30 mega tankers a night without getting caught. MAYBE we got through up to 30 ships of some kind on some nights, but there's no way it was 30 large tankers a night since they can't even physically make the entire trip over the course of 1 night.

the price of oil is proof they were getting through.

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

If there is ever true product scarcity the price will explode a lot more that a dollar or two.

Debating how many ships make it through the hormuz is retarded.

Dammit people. Think.

(06-18-2026 10:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

People thinking that this actually happened.

(06-18-2026 09:39 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 09:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 07:52 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  to the resident Oil & Energy Markets & Futures expert: List the MEDIAN, not the average.


I paid $3.12 three days ago, I'm sure it's lower now

Per copilot:

Quote:Closest practical interpretation

If you want a reasonable proxy:

Gas prices cluster in tiers around the average (based on AAA’s distribution bands shown on the national map):

~$3.40–$3.80 (lower-cost states)
~$3.80–$4.20 (large middle band)
~$4.20–$5.60 (higher-cost states) [gasprices.aaa.com]

? Because a large share of states fall in the middle band, the median is likely close to the average (~$4.00)—but that is an inference, not a published statistic.

The median is currently $3.87 and dropping.

Wow, 13 whole cents different. Big if true!

Of course it's dropping Umabla, just like the average is.

(06-18-2026 10:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

If there is ever true product scarcity the price will explode a lot more that a dollar or two.

Debating how many ships make it through the hormuz is retarded.

Dammit people. Think.

Hasn't OPEC been known to limit production when oil prices dropped to a certain point? In that regard, the cost of oil is impacted by the supply of oil, right?

Gas was $4.43 last Friday here when I filled up.

Today it is $4.29. My wife was 20 miles east of here yesterday for a doctor's appointment and it was $3.86.

(06-18-2026 09:56 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 09:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 09:16 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 08:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 07:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  He also said we have been escorting up to 30 ships a night through the Strait which we know to be true. The traders knew it as well as the Oil Executives. That's why oil prices plummeted. Executives wanted people to think it was still closed. I've said this three times now. The US has over 40 billion barrels of oil waiting to be pumped. We don't have a supply problem. The rest of the world does.

The US doesn't own that oil, and the US doesn't determine when or how quickly that oil actually gets pumped. If oil were nationalized and as a country we made the decision to massively ramp up drilling and pumping then sure your point would have some validity. That's not the case though, those decisions are made by the corporations that own the oil and the facilities and made based upon maximizing their profits not what's best for the country.

Also, normal traffic through the strait is between 120-140 ships per day. Up to 30 isn't nothing, but that's not game changing even if it was completely true. It was just a bandaide on the gunshot wound, maybe extending out the drop dead date longer.

Actually, on a normal day about 50 large tankers transit the strait (20million bbls). So, yes up to 30/day is about 12million bbls. That's what was being escorted over the past couple of weeks.

I'm going to take your numbers as fact, no idea if it's true or not. If on a normal day only 50 large tankers go through the strait it's not reasonable to believe we were able to sneak through 2/3 of the large tanker volume of a normal day during just nighttime hours. They would have to go both in and out of the strait during the night, and somehow also Iran not notice anything at all during the day when these large tankers are doing what exactly? These large tankers move slow as hell, between 12-16 knots. Not that I trust the google AI completely, but here is what it says regarding how long it takes for tankers to move through the strait.

Under normal conditions, an oil tanker takes about 1 to 2 days to transit the Persian Gulf and pass through the Strait of Hormuz to reach the open waters of the Arabian Sea.

Initial Transit Time: A standard voyage from major loading hubs in Saudi Arabia (Ras Tanura), UAE (Ruwais), or Qatar to the Strait of Hormuz takes roughly 15 to 35 hours of continuous sailing.

Basically all of this is to say there is no way in hell we were routinely getting through 30 mega tankers a night without getting caught. MAYBE we got through up to 30 ships of some kind on some nights, but there's no way it was 30 large tankers a night since they can't even physically make the entire trip over the course of 1 night.

the price of oil is proof they were getting through.

You know what, you are right. Not in your post, it's retarded, but in the general vibe of all your posts. There's no reason I should ever look up anything because you'll ignore it and say things that are physically impossible still happened because the orange retard said so. Obviously it's your fault for being this stupid in general, but at a certain point it's my fault for not accepting you are this stupid and not wasting my own time trying to prove things. Proof doesn't matter, evidence doesn't matter, links don't matter, and eventually I'll learn that.

(06-18-2026 10:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

If there is ever true product scarcity the price will explode a lot more that a dollar or two.

Debating how many ships make it through the hormuz is retarded.

Dammit people. Think.

Its why investors arent biting on the oil companies screaming their inventories are very low. Not only is there no shortage of oil, Venezuela oil is now on the market, the USA is pumping out a sh*tton, and Iran has every storage tank filled to the brim and wil be allowed to sell it. Furthermore, a lot of this oil that used to be sold only on the black market (Venezuela and Iran) will now be sold in the regular market. This means China's price of oil goes up, while everyone else's goes down.

Its why Trump was brilliant to do this when he did. Trump was able to shut Iran's oil down completely and yet oil never got as high as it did under Biden*

(06-18-2026 10:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

If there is ever true product scarcity the price will explode a lot more that a dollar or two.

Debating how many ships make it through the hormuz is retarded.

Dammit people. Think.

Its why investors arent biting on the oil companies screaming their inventories are very low. Not only is there no shortage of oil, Venezuela oil is now on the market, the USA is pumping out a sh*tton, and Iran has every storage tank filled to the brim and wil be allowed to sell it. Furthermore, a lot of this oil that used to be sold only on the black market (Venezuela and Iran) will now be sold in the regular market. This means China's price of oil goes up, while everyone else's goes down.

Its why Trump was brilliant to do this when he did. Trump was able to shut Iran's oil down completely and yet oil never got as high as it did under Biden*

The orange retard literally said yesterday that the inventories are almost out. So is he retarded for believing that retarded statement?

(06-18-2026 10:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

If there is ever true product scarcity the price will explode a lot more that a dollar or two.

Debating how many ships make it through the hormuz is retarded.

Dammit people. Think.

Its why investors arent biting on the oil companies screaming their inventories are very low. Not only is there no shortage of oil, Venezuela oil is now on the market, the USA is pumping out a sh*tton, and Iran has every storage tank filled to the brim and wil be allowed to sell it. Furthermore, a lot of this oil that used to be sold only on the black market (Venezuela and Iran) will now be sold in the regular market. This means China's price of oil goes up, while everyone else's goes down.

Its why Trump was brilliant to do this when he did. Trump was able to shut Iran's oil down completely and yet oil never got as high as it did under Biden*

The orange retard literally said yesterday that the inventories are almost out. So is he retarded for believing that retarded statement?

Link and context. You are never right about anything

Almost. Like you are almost not a sub 80 at 78

(06-18-2026 10:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

If there is ever true product scarcity the price will explode a lot more that a dollar or two.

Debating how many ships make it through the hormuz is retarded.

Dammit people. Think.

Its why investors arent biting on the oil companies screaming their inventories are very low. Not only is there no shortage of oil, Venezuela oil is now on the market, the USA is pumping out a sh*tton, and Iran has every storage tank filled to the brim and wil be allowed to sell it. Furthermore, a lot of this oil that used to be sold only on the black market (Venezuela and Iran) will now be sold in the regular market. This means China's price of oil goes up, while everyone else's goes down.

Its why Trump was brilliant to do this when he did. Trump was able to shut Iran's oil down completely and yet oil never got as high as it did under Biden*

The orange retard literally said yesterday that the inventories are almost out. So is he retarded for believing that retarded statement?

Link and context. You are never right about anything

Almost. Like you are almost not a sub 80 at 78

mlb posted the video in one of these threads. I'm not doing work for you to only ignore what I post. Google exists, use it.

(06-18-2026 10:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 10:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

People thinking that the cost of oil actually has anything to do with the supply of oil. There has always been plenty of oil, the price reflects market uncertainty not product scarcity. Just like the price spiked when that retard Biden threatened all his green energy scam ****.

If there is ever true product scarcity the price will explode a lot more that a dollar or two.

Debating how many ships make it through the hormuz is retarded.

Dammit people. Think.

Its why investors arent biting on the oil companies screaming their inventories are very low. Not only is there no shortage of oil, Venezuela oil is now on the market, the USA is pumping out a sh*tton, and Iran has every storage tank filled to the brim and wil be allowed to sell it. Furthermore, a lot of this oil that used to be sold only on the black market (Venezuela and Iran) will now be sold in the regular market. This means China's price of oil goes up, while everyone else's goes down.

Its why Trump was brilliant to do this when he did. Trump was able to shut Iran's oil down completely and yet oil never got as high as it did under Biden*

The orange retard literally said yesterday that the inventories are almost out. So is he retarded for believing that retarded statement?

Link and context. You are never right about anything

Almost. Like you are almost not a sub 80 at 78

mlb posted the video in one of these threads. I'm not doing work for you to only ignore what I post. Google exists, use it.

Nope. My point stands. You almost had a point

(06-17-2026 12:08 PM)mlb Wrote:  Video of his statement:

Here Khan, here is him saying it. It was easy enough for me to do it and see if you are capable of being a semi normal person. Is Trump retarded or are you retarded?

(06-18-2026 09:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-18-2026 07:52 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  to the resident Oil & Energy Markets & Futures expert: List the MEDIAN, not the average.


I paid $3.12 three days ago, I'm sure it's lower now

Per copilot:

Quote:Closest practical interpretation

If you want a reasonable proxy:

Gas prices cluster in tiers around the average (based on AAA’s distribution bands shown on the national map):

~$3.40–$3.80 (lower-cost states)
~$3.80–$4.20 (large middle band)
~$4.20–$5.60 (higher-cost states) [gasprices.aaa.com]

? Because a large share of states fall in the middle band, the median is likely close to the average (~$4.00)—but that is an inference, not a published statistic.

Wait...did the Oil & Gas expert just post an AI response to try and make his point, one which he doesn't understand?