(04-02-2026 06:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 03:45 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 10:30 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 10:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  In 2025 we imported 256 million barrels of oil and exported 354 million barrels of oil. Figure it out and give them the middle finger.

Our refineries for the vast most part cannot refine the present US mixture. Havent been able to since the late 80s.

So we sell our stuff to the places that can use and refine it, and in return we buy the grade that our refineries are 'tuned' for.

This has been a problem since idk when. The refineries in Houston are geared for the Venezuela crude.

Retooling needs to take place

Maybe not now so much.

Citgo was owned by the Venezuelans, but that was not true for the other refineries.

Basically our refineries work fine with mostly domestic light sweet crude with some heavier crude added to it. The heavy Canadian or Venezuelan crude works quite well for this purpose. We can source either without leaving the western hemisphere.

F15 may have gone down according to Amir

Now being unconfirmed pilot was captured.

(04-01-2026 07:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  This whole operation is the opposite of draining the swamp.

The deep state interests that demand our intervention in the Middle East again are the same interests we voted to get rid of.

We can never free ourselves of deep state interests no matter who we elect I guess.

Did you cast your vote for Putin?

I’m sure folks in Russia can speak so critically about the government in Russia as you freely do here

You match Progrssive Leftist Hypocrisy perfectly

(04-02-2026 06:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 03:45 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 10:30 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 10:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  In 2025 we imported 256 million barrels of oil and exported 354 million barrels of oil. Figure it out and give them the middle finger.

Our refineries for the vast most part cannot refine the present US mixture. Havent been able to since the late 80s.

So we sell our stuff to the places that can use and refine it, and in return we buy the grade that our refineries are 'tuned' for.

This has been a problem since idk when. The refineries in Houston are geared for the Venezuela crude.

Retooling needs to take place

Maybe not now so much.

Citgo was owned by the Venezuelans, but that was not true for the other refineries.

Lyondell is the company.

Venezuela oil is heavier than ours and a swath of our refineries although not owned by Venezuela use this type of oil for certain products

This what I was told by people who are in that industry

(04-03-2026 07:08 AM)hburg Wrote:  Now being unconfirmed pilot was captured.

I have not seen the captured reports. However, if so, and if paraded in the streets, take the gloves off.

This military excursion feels a lot like 20th century Atlantic City Trump. Burn as much cash as you can as quickly as you can on bad ideas, get out before the publicity gets too negative, leave the responsible people holding the bag.

(04-03-2026 07:13 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 07:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  This whole operation is the opposite of draining the swamp.

The deep state interests that demand our intervention in the Middle East again are the same interests we voted to get rid of.

We can never free ourselves of deep state interests no matter who we elect I guess.

Did you cast your vote for Putin?

I’m sure folks in Russia can speak so critically about the government in Russia as you freely do here

You match Progrssive Leftist Hypocrisy perfectly

I notice you can't address what he actually said.

(04-03-2026 07:53 AM)otown Wrote:  

(04-03-2026 07:08 AM)hburg Wrote:  Now being unconfirmed pilot was captured.

I have not seen the captured reports. However, if so, and if paraded in the streets, take the gloves off.

Hopefully this doesn’t turn into a hostage situation.

(04-03-2026 10:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

I hope this is true!

Question.... Would it he one or two crew members?

This is why I believe we are about to take Karge island and maybe a couple others. The destruction of the bridge to Karge Island the other day, to me, is an indicator.



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(04-03-2026 10:49 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(04-03-2026 10:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

I hope this is true!

Question.... Would it he one or two crew members?

Two if it was an F-15E.

The F15 is really starting to show its age and inability to evade newer air defense systems. This also shows that clearly Iran has more defense systems, etc than what Trump is claiming.

(04-03-2026 11:36 AM)hburg Wrote:  The F15 is really starting to show its age and inability to evade newer air defense systems. This also shows that clearly Iran has more defense systems, etc than what Trump is claiming.

Calm down, we dont even know why it went down. Enemy fire vs mechanical

(04-03-2026 11:06 AM)hburg Wrote:  This is why I believe we are about to take Karge island and maybe a couple others. The destruction of the bridge to Karge Island the other day, to me, is an indicator.



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There is no bridge to kharg island. The bridge that was struck was in tehran

(04-03-2026 11:36 AM)hburg Wrote:  The F15 is really starting to show its age and inability to evade newer air defense systems. This also shows that clearly Iran has more defense systems, etc than what Trump is claiming.

No it doesnt. We have planes go down during training

It means one out of thousands. Its probability.

(04-01-2026 07:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  This whole operation is the opposite of draining the swamp.

The deep state interests that demand our intervention in the Middle East again are the same interests we voted to get rid of.

We can never free ourselves of deep state interests no matter who we elect I guess.

lol. Trump is about as far from the Deep State as you can get. A country that has vowed to wipe us off the map and believes they get 72 virgins if they die trying to kill us was getting close to the ability to lob a nuke at the US. Its not complex---and its absolutely something the man ran on during his campaign. How many times did Trump openly state Iran could never have a nuke during his campaign speeches? Well according to the article below---Trump publicly stated Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuke at least 40 times during the 2024 campaign. This is not some new deep state speak position being forced on president Trump. Its the same position he ran on and its the same position he has always had (including his first term). The Iranian regime's current conduct in the war tells me Trump was absolute correct in his assessment that Iran's leadership is not the kind of folks you want to have a big red button at their disposal.

Meanwhile, during campaign trails, Trump said this no less than 40 times, showing his great obsession or we can call a pledge to restrain Iran from having a nuclear weapon.

(11/3/24): “Iran can’t have a nuclear weapon. Nuclear weapons are the greatest single threat to our country, but to the entire world.”
(10/29/24): “I would have been very good to Iran. They — I had to have one thing, no nuclear weapons. You can’t have nuclear weapon. Nuclear weapons are the greatest danger to our country going forward, to the world going forward.”

(10/28/24): “And all I wanted was Iran can’t have a nuclear weapon … That’s all I wanted. Very simple. You can’t have a nuclear weapon.”

(10/23/24): “We don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.”

(10/16/24): “I didn’t want much. I wanted Iran to be very successful. I just don’t want them to have a nuclear weapon.”

(10/14/24): “You can’t let them have a nuclear weapon.”

(10/10/24): “I just don’t want them to have a nuclear weapon. It’s very simple.”

(10/7/24): “I only wanted one thing. You can’t have a nuclear weapon. You cannot let them have a nuclear weapon.”

(10/7/24): “No, they can’t have nukes. No, they can’t have nukes.”

(10/1/24): "They can’t have a nuclear weapon — and now they’re very close to having one and it’s very dangerous for the world, very dangerous for the world … The biggest problem today, in my opinion, the biggest risk is the nuclear weapons.”

(9/30/24): “All I want them to do is not have a nuclear weapon. They can’t have a nuclear weapon.”

(9/26/24): “The only thing is [Iran] cannot have nuclear weapons.”

(9/19/24): “I wanted one thing from Iran — no nuclear weapon. I didn’t want much — no nuclear weapon. And now they’re very close to getting it, and you can’t let that happen.”

(9/17/24): “All we want is we don’t want them to have a nuclear weapon. Very simple. That’s all we want. We don’t want you to have a nuclear weapon.”

(8/27/24): “They can’t have a nuclear weapon. We just can’t let them have a nuclear weapon. I’ll say this. If they do have a nuclear weapon, Israel is gone. It’ll be gone.”

(8/23/24): “I don’t want them to have a nuclear weapon.”

(8/23/24): “I just wanted to have a deal with Iran, very simple deal — can’t have a nuclear weapon. That’s it.”

(8/15/24): “They can’t have a nuclear weapon. They can’t have a nuclear weapon. And we were all set to make sure that they don’t have a nuclear weapon. Because once they do, it’s a whole different world, it’s a whole different negotiation.”

(8/8/24): “Iran can’t have a nuclear weapon — it’s very simple.”

(8/5/24): “They can’t have a nuclear weapon. It’s very simple. They can’t have a nuclear weapon. You cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon.”

(7/10/24): “Iran should not have a nuclear weapon … Iran should never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon.”

(6/20/24): “The main thing is Iran can’t have a nuclear weapon. That was my main thing. The deal was a simple deal. Iran can’t have a nuclear. You know, it can’t have a missile, it can’t have a nuclear missile. It cannot have that nuclear capability.”

(5/15/24): “We have a very hostile country that wants nuclear weapons. You can’t let that happen.” (6/15/24)
“Iran should not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. They would never have had even close to a nuclear weapon. They are very close to getting a nuclear weapon. You cannot let that happen.”

(5/1/24): “Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon — very simple. They cannot have a nuclear weapon.”

(4/30/24): “You can’t let Iran have nuclear weapons.”

(3/25/24): “Iran wanted to make a deal, and what the deal — 90% of the deal that I want to make is no nuclear weapon. That’s 90% — almost 100%. It might be 100%. That’s all I want. No nuclear weapon for Iran”

(2/23/24): “I want everybody to be happy. They just can’t have a nuclear weapon.”

(1/20/24): “I just didn’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I said, ‘You know, we’re going to make a great deal. Everybody’s going to be happy. You’re going to be rich as hell again. Everything’s going to be great, but you cannot have a nuclear weapon.’”

(1/5/24): “They cannot have a nuclear weapon. That was the only thing — the one thing I said, ‘You cannot have.’”

(1/5/24): “I just don’t want them to have a nuclear weapon.”

(12/30/23): “They will have, within a short period of time, nuclear weapons — and that is never something that can be allowed to happen.”

“No nuclear weapons. You can’t have nuclear weapons. (11/9/23): Nuclear weapons are the single greatest threat to this world.”

(10/29/23): “They can’t have a nuclear weapon. That’s all. They can’t have nuclear weapons. It’s too destructive, too powerful. They can’t have it.”

(10/16/23): “Don’t let Iran have nuclear weapons. That’s my only thing I have to tell you today. Don’t let them have it.”

(7/15/23): “No nuclear weapons. You can’t give [Iran] nuclear weapons.”

(6/24/23): “You cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. You cannot let it happen because bad things will happen if that happens.”

(1/6/20): “IRAN WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON!”

(6/22/19): “Iran cannot have Nuclear Weapons!”

(1/24/15): “We can’t let Iran get a nuclear weapon. We can’t do it. Can’t do it. We cannot let that happen.”

(11/4/11): “We can’t allow Iran to go nuclear.”

https://www.wionews.com/world/-15-times-...g_rewarded

(04-03-2026 10:49 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(04-03-2026 10:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

I hope this is true!

Question.... Would it he one or two crew members?

F-15. Two. One still missing and unaccounted for.

(04-03-2026 12:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-03-2026 10:49 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(04-03-2026 10:42 AM)mlb Wrote:  

I hope this is true!

Question.... Would it he one or two crew members?

F-15. Two. One still missing and unaccounted for.

Praying the 2nd pilot is alive. Praying he is recovered.