(04-01-2026 03:01 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Your string of causation ends well short. Yes, Iran shut it down. They didnt do it for ***** and giggles. The reason Iran shut it down was because of our actions. At least be honest in the chain of causation.

We knew damn well that had a high probability of happening. And we did it anyway.

I dont understand why you choose to gloss over that very solid 'but for' causation.

Your string of causation ends well short. Yes, we went after the Iranian regime. We didn't do it for ***** and giggles. The reason we went after them was because of their actions--over 47 years of them. At least be honest in your chain of causation.

The Iranian regime knew damn well that had a high probability of eventually happening. And they kept on doing what they had been anyway.

I don't understand why you choose to gloss over that very solid 'but for' causation. Oh, wait...yes I do.

I guess its the '47 years' day of excuses, as opposed to the other 5 or 6 that get trotted around endlessly. Coo cool.

And no, hate to tell you champ, even *while* there were 47 YEARS!!!! of NOTHING BUT WARLIKE ACTIONS!!!!! (lulz) -- that doesnt give a direct chain of 'its (a US war) gonna happen as a matter of certainty', hoss.

You might want to brush up up on proximate cause.

Again, pretty much a certainty that anything more than a limited strike was going to shut Hormuz down. But you clowns dont think that. Lolz.

Again, we put the events in motion that led to the almost certainty that Iran was going to do what it has done. That doesnt seem to enter into the thoughts of folks around here. It certainly didnt enter into Trumps thoughts. Now we find ourselves at the *largest* energy shock ever seen. Neat ****,

(04-01-2026 03:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 03:01 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 01:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Your string of causation ends well short. Yes, Iran shut it down. They didnt do it for ***** and giggles. The reason Iran shut it down was because of our actions. At least be honest in the chain of causation.

We knew damn well that had a high probability of happening. And we did it anyway.

I dont understand why you choose to gloss over that very solid 'but for' causation.

Your string of causation ends well short. Yes, we went after the Iranian regime. We didn't do it for ***** and giggles. The reason we went after them was because of their actions--over 47 years of them. At least be honest in your chain of causation.

The Iranian regime knew damn well that had a high probability of eventually happening. And they kept on doing what they had been anyway.

I don't understand why you choose to gloss over that very solid 'but for' causation. Oh, wait...yes I do.

When your daddy says, "Do that and I'll kick your ass!" and you do it anyway, it's not child abuse, it's permission! You were warned (and they were many times) and they did it anyway, which establishes the quid pro quo which is the permission to receive an ass kicking. End of story.

When you decide to sue the guy that holds the key to your company's existence, it is a pretty fing stupid move. When you decide to decapitate the government that holds the geographic key the flow to the most important trade route in human history, and you grossly misjudge their perseverance, that is again a pretty fing stupid move.

yes, we tossed that punch, knowing full well what Iran could do in retaliation. And we did it anyway. And we completely fked over transit in the most important trade route in human history. Yes, there is absolutely responsibility for putting that into motion, no doubt.

Notwithstanding your rather ill-formed attempt to form a not well fitting metaphor or analogy to rationalize it above.

Iran held the key to shut the flow to the most important trade route in human history. Still holds it.

When someone tries to kill the regime in Iran, you all act surprised that Iran did what it did.

Most rational actors would note what precipitated that very obvious response, for better or for worse.

Sorry to burst your demigod praise in that respect.

This whole operation is the opposite of draining the swamp.

The deep state interests that demand our intervention in the Middle East again are the same interests we voted to get rid of.

We can never free ourselves of deep state interests no matter who we elect I guess.

Anyone know what Trump will reveal about Iran?

(04-01-2026 03:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  If the police go to arrest a child molester and he starts firing a gun all around, is it the fault of the police that he might have become violent?

If the police know a guy has wired the block to blow up, they dont go in shooting as a very first step. Imagine that.

Controlling Hormuz is the same level of seriousness.

Look the Iranians are cheap ass thugs. Im not losing sleep over them in this case. The issue is that it is more than obvious what Iran would do in the case of an all out war. Which is what they have done.

It was pretty fing stupid of us to not think that. It is pretty fing stupid of us not to acknowledge that we pressed the button for them to do that.

Apparently that is quite the leap for the Trump religious around here.

So they just voted on military action against Iran...it's about time. There should have been Arab boots on the ground already, it's their fight, we just wanted to get rid of the nukes and it seems that we have succeeded but we shall see. The oil? Well, it's more important to all partes involved because one needs them for their economy and the other needs them to survive, so Chicadees, it's time to get going.

If you place troops on areas where there's indications of hidden stores of uranium it will guarantee none can be used by the Regime. It behooves the Gulf states that the Regime can't have a smidgens chance of a dirty bomb because they will use them at the nearest target and we ain't it.

(04-01-2026 07:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Anyone know what Trump will reveal about Iran?

Hopefully that we've found their nuclear materials or we'll repeat this crap all over again.

(04-01-2026 07:05 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 03:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  If the police go to arrest a child molester and he starts firing a gun all around, is it the fault of the police that he might have become violent?

If the police know a guy has wired the block to blow up, they dont go in shooting as a very first step. Imagine that.

Controlling Hormuz is the same level of seriousness.

Look the Iranians are cheap ass thugs. Im not losing sleep over them in this case. The issue is that it is more than obvious what Iran would do in the case of an all out war. Which is what they have done.

It was pretty fing stupid of us to not think that. It is pretty fing stupid of us not to acknowledge that we pressed the button for them to do that.

Apparently that is quite the leap for the Trump religious around here.

So just let Iran have a nuke. Let Iran continue developing longer and longer range ballistic missiles. Let Iran develop an ICBM. Let Iran run the Strait. Let Iran collect a toll for safe passage at the Strait. Let Iran export terror. Let Iran do anything they want---cuz they might close the Strait---and thats too scary. Got it. Next you'll agree to Iranian cleric appointing US presidents---cuz they might close the Strait---and that of course would be our fault if it got closed cuz we wouldnt let the Ayatolla appoint our president.....

Im sure we gamed the possibility they might do that. What we realized was it doesnt really affect us. The assumption was that allies would aid in reopening the Strait since it greatly affected them---and if they didnt----then we'd reopen it if we could without significant risk---but otherwise we'd leave it closed until hostilities ended because---

A) we didnt close it

B) it doesnt affect us

C) the people it does effect arent interested enough in getting it open to aid in the effort

D) We didnt close it

E) We didnt close it

Well said, AC.

(04-01-2026 07:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  This whole operation is the opposite of draining the swamp.

The deep state interests that demand our intervention in the Middle East again are the same interests we voted to get rid of.

We can never free ourselves of deep state interests no matter who we elect I guess.

Or Russian propaganda and subversion

Why the US tolerates traitors is beyond me


The US along with other Western Countries foster Benedict Arnold’s these days



tODOR = dog that bites the hand that feeds him

Probably told drunk Pete something that doesn't fit their idiotic execution of this excursion. Either way, not usually a good sign in the middle of a excursion such as this.

Quote:WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth fired US Army Chief of Staff Gen. Randy George.

The news was first reported by CBS News. A defense department official confirmed the report to Breaking Defense, but would not provide further information.

It is not immediately clear who will replace George, but it is suspected that Lt. Gen. Christopher LaNeve, who was recently sworn in as the service’s new vice chief of staff, is under consideration. LeNeve replaced Gen. James Mingus, who retired earlier than expected. LaNeve, a former 82nd Airborne Division commander, most recently served as a military aide to Hegseth.

Hegseth fires Army’s top officer, Gen. Randy George

(04-01-2026 07:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  This whole operation is the opposite of draining the swamp.

The deep state interests that demand our intervention in the Middle East again are the same interests we voted to get rid of.

We can never free ourselves of deep state interests no matter who we elect I guess.

I agree. I hate this. Becoming supporter of Trump First Term, don't like 2nd term.

(04-01-2026 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 03:45 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 10:30 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-01-2026 10:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  In 2025 we imported 256 million barrels of oil and exported 354 million barrels of oil. Figure it out and give them the middle finger.

Our refineries for the vast most part cannot refine the present US mixture. Havent been able to since the late 80s.

So we sell our stuff to the places that can use and refine it, and in return we buy the grade that our refineries are 'tuned' for.

This has been a problem since idk when. The refineries in Houston are geared for the Venezuela crude.

Retooling needs to take place

Maybe not now so much.

Citgo was owned by the Venezuelans, but that was not true for the other refineries.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bah...r-AA1ZWiSp

France holding it up, deferring to China. Russia and China unclear where they are.

"...The UN missions of Russia, France, and China did not immediately respond when asked about their issues with the Bahraini draft.

A Security Council resolution requires at least nine votes in favor and no vetoes from its five permanent members: the United States, Russia, China, Britain, and France.

Diplomats say France has suggested an alternative resolution that would seek a UN mandate once the situation had calmed.

Trump escalated his rhetoric against NATO on Wednesday, threatening to pull out of the decades-old alliance because other nations had not joined the Iran war.

On Wednesday, France hit back at Trump's threats, saying the military alliance was designed to ensure security in the Euro-Atlantic area and not to launch offensive operations in the Strait of Hormuz.

French naval chief Admiral Nicolas Vaujour told a security conference in Paris on Wednesday that France was working to bring a number of countries to the table to determine the conditions under which the strait could be reopened in a lasting way.

Vaujour said China, at one point, will have to engage more directly on how to restore oil traffic in the strait. China is the world’s largest importer of oil through the Strait...."

(04-02-2026 06:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bah...r-AA1ZWiSp

France holding it up, deferring to China. Russia and China unclear where they are.

"...The UN missions of Russia, France, and China did not immediately respond when asked about their issues with the Bahraini draft.

A Security Council resolution requires at least nine votes in favor and no vetoes from its five permanent members: the United States, Russia, China, Britain, and France.

Diplomats say France has suggested an alternative resolution that would seek a UN mandate once the situation had calmed.

Trump escalated his rhetoric against NATO on Wednesday, threatening to pull out of the decades-old alliance because other nations had not joined the Iran war.

On Wednesday, France hit back at Trump's threats, saying the military alliance was designed to ensure security in the Euro-Atlantic area and not to launch offensive operations in the Strait of Hormuz.

French naval chief Admiral Nicolas Vaujour told a security conference in Paris on Wednesday that France was working to bring a number of countries to the table to determine the conditions under which the strait could be reopened in a lasting way.

Vaujour said China, at one point, will have to engage more directly on how to restore oil traffic in the strait. China is the world’s largest importer of oil through the Strait...."

We need to quit funding the U.N. and pull out of that. Then we'll see whether NATO is prompted to act or not. But getting rid of that Anti-American BS bureaucracy should be a priority. That alone will force the weak sisters of the world to actually consider their real existential situation and that will change the seriousness with which they will have to face the future.

(04-02-2026 06:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bah...r-AA1ZWiSp

France holding it up, deferring to China. Russia and China unclear where they are.

"...The UN missions of Russia, France, and China did not immediately respond when asked about their issues with the Bahraini draft.

A Security Council resolution requires at least nine votes in favor and no vetoes from its five permanent members: the United States, Russia, China, Britain, and France.

Diplomats say France has suggested an alternative resolution that would seek a UN mandate once the situation had calmed.

Trump escalated his rhetoric against NATO on Wednesday, threatening to pull out of the decades-old alliance because other nations had not joined the Iran war.

On Wednesday, France hit back at Trump's threats, saying the military alliance was designed to ensure security in the Euro-Atlantic area and not to launch offensive operations in the Strait of Hormuz.

French naval chief Admiral Nicolas Vaujour told a security conference in Paris on Wednesday that France was working to bring a number of countries to the table to determine the conditions under which the strait could be reopened in a lasting way.

Vaujour said China, at one point, will have to engage more directly on how to restore oil traffic in the strait. China is the world’s largest importer of oil through the Strait...."

France is slowly behaving like a radical muslim majority country, however, the muslims there are the migrants that only take from society and are radicals. The gulf countries are happy all those radicals colonized Europe and are out of the middle east.

(04-02-2026 08:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-02-2026 06:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bah...r-AA1ZWiSp

France holding it up, deferring to China. Russia and China unclear where they are.

"...The UN missions of Russia, France, and China did not immediately respond when asked about their issues with the Bahraini draft.

A Security Council resolution requires at least nine votes in favor and no vetoes from its five permanent members: the United States, Russia, China, Britain, and France.

Diplomats say France has suggested an alternative resolution that would seek a UN mandate once the situation had calmed.

Trump escalated his rhetoric against NATO on Wednesday, threatening to pull out of the decades-old alliance because other nations had not joined the Iran war.

On Wednesday, France hit back at Trump's threats, saying the military alliance was designed to ensure security in the Euro-Atlantic area and not to launch offensive operations in the Strait of Hormuz.

French naval chief Admiral Nicolas Vaujour told a security conference in Paris on Wednesday that France was working to bring a number of countries to the table to determine the conditions under which the strait could be reopened in a lasting way.

Vaujour said China, at one point, will have to engage more directly on how to restore oil traffic in the strait. China is the world’s largest importer of oil through the Strait...."

We need to quit funding the U.N. and pull out of that. Then we'll see whether NATO is prompted to act or not. But getting rid of that Anti-American BS bureaucracy should be a priority. That alone will force the weak sisters of the world to actually consider their real existential situation and that will change the seriousness with which they will have to face the future.

I discovered today that Congress passed a law under Biden a few years ago that prevents us from withdrawing from NATO. The only way to do it now would be a vote in the Senate that garners 67 votes or more. Rubio actually co-sponsored the bill.

I heard that on the news, and did a quick search to verify it.

Quote:AI Overview

Yes, Congress passed a law in December 2023 prohibiting any U.S. President from withdrawing from NATO without Senate approval or an Act of Congress. Passed as part of the FY2024 National Defense Authorization Act, the measure (Section 1250A) requires a two-thirds vote in the Senate or specific legislation to authorize withdrawal.

Key details of the legislation include:

Restriction: It prevents a president from unilaterally terminating, suspending, or denouncing the North Atlantic Treaty.

Funding Limitation: The law explicitly prohibits federal funds from being used to support a unilateral withdrawal without congressional approval.

Context: Spearheaded by Senators Tim Kaine (D-VA) and Marco Rubio (R-FL), the bipartisan move was designed to ensure long-term security commitments.

Legal Standing: While some legal scholars debate its constitutionality regarding executive power, it is the first statute designed to block a unilateral withdrawal from a treaty, which could lead to court battles if ignored.

This information is current as of April 2026, including reference to ongoing political debates surrounding the legislation.

Quote:It’s day 33 of the war, and my hometown is still being heavily bombed.

Iranians are only now, with great difficulty, realizing that for all these years, they have essentially been living inside a massive military base the size of a country.

They’re finally understanding why Iran, despite all its resources, has remained so poor: because all the money has been spent preparing the regime for its apocalyptic final war.

None of this is defensive. It’s all offensive.

After every strike, Israel posts reports in Persian explaining exactly what it has hit. The main reason for cutting off the internet is so that people won’t see or understand what’s really happening.

Underground missile cities, bunkers built beneath residential neighborhoods, tunnels upon tunnels upon tunnels. It’s horrifying. This regime must go.

#IranWar‌ #ThankYouTrump‌