Iran is in real time self immolation mode.

Inflation is nearing 43%....74% on all food products this month.

Their currency just crashed....The US dollar traded at around 1.42 million rials on Sunday. Read that again...

Tehran is nearly out of all drinking water due to drought and failed policies. The city is slowly sinking due to aquifer collapse. They have planned possible mass evacuation.

Protests in the streets today and it's not just students this time....the middle class is now taking to the streets and are actually chasing the government goons

The Ayatollah is like 86 and hasn't made appearances in ages due to bad health. There is no successor in the wings.

Watch what happens in 2026....we could be watching the largest nation state disintegration in generations. Balkanization possibly to follow. Knives out and a vacuum in the region.

Interesting times.

Meh.

If Iran does collapse, it'll just be meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Been following it and hoping the people finally pull it off. It’s percolating for awhile

(12-31-2025 01:17 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  If Iran does collapse, it'll just be meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Not all murderous dictators are alike. The Shah (the one that was overthrown in 1979) was way better — both for America, and also for Iran — than the ayatollahs who have ruled Iran ever since. So much pain and chaos in the world could’ve been avoided if he had remained in power and been able to choose his successor.

Unless the takeover or collapse somehow turns into some form of democracy, it's just the same song, next verse.

(12-31-2025 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Unless the takeover or collapse somehow turns into some form of democracy, it's just the same song, next verse.

Yep.

Like I said in my comment above.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bones could be picked. Watch the Kurds, Balochs and Turkmen ethnic regions. If those rise up, could be a Shia Sunni split in whole regions.

What would have been better is for our CIA to not lead the coup that overthrew Mohammad Mosaddegh. Our government sticking its nose into another country’s business.

If the Iranian people rise up, and it’s an organic uprising, I don’t have a problem with America providing aid. Beyond that stay out of Iran.

(12-31-2025 02:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  What would have been better is for our CIA to not lead the coup that overthrew Mohammad Mosaddegh.

Mixed feelings on that one, CJ. America did not do that all by itself.

But even if we agree about what happened in 1953, it’s not why the ayatollahs took over in 1979, or why they are still in power in 2026.

Our retarded Democrats will want to import the entire country of Iran, feed them, clothe them, house them all on the US taxpayers dime.

(12-31-2025 01:39 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Bones could be picked. Watch the Kurds, Balochs and Turkmen ethnic regions. If those rise up, could be a Shia Sunni split in whole regions.

We have seen this movie before. Hopefully we back the Kurds. ISIS will surely try to seize the day… and we will need a good ally.

(12-31-2025 03:26 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Our retarded Democrats will want to import the entire country of Iran, feed them, clothe them, house them all on the US taxpayers dime.

Democrats are not only retarded. They're pure evil, too. All of them.

They also want to register Iranians as future Democrat voters.

Unless the videos I watched are wrong in the 50s-70s Iran was a very modern country more inline with the west. For the most part other than the hard liners their people are very different than the rest of the ME.

There's no reason they cant get back to that with the right leadership

(12-31-2025 01:39 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Bones could be picked. Watch the Kurds, Balochs and Turkmen ethnic regions. If those rise up, could be a Shia Sunni split in whole regions.

in that region, a fractured Iran is better than any in solidarity ... #June22,2025

now this from the 'heels'...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...92052.html

Quote:Iran vowed to respond harshly after US president Donald Trump threatened to attack the country again over its weapons programmes.

Speaking beside Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida on Monday, Mr Trump said the US could support another strike on Iran if it resumed a nuclear weapons programme or refused to stop making ballistic missiles.

He said Tehran might be working to restore its weapons programmes after a US strike on three nuclear facilities in June. That strike, which came in support of Israel’s 12-day war on the Islamic republic in June, reportedly proved unsuccessful in destroying the alleged nuclear weapon’s programme.

“Now I hear that Iran is trying to build up again, and if they are, we are going to have to knock them down. We'll knock them down. We'll knock the hell out of them," Mr Trump told reporters. "But hopefully that's not happening.”

"I heard Iran wants to make a deal. If they want to make a deal, that's much smarter,” the US president continued.

nuts can't help but love the ultimate troll with a spine when he plays the foreign policy 'game' vs. the lesser opponent that only seeks to destroy with malice ... 'by force' is the only language 'they' understand...

(12-31-2025 03:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Unless the videos I watched are wrong in the 50s-70s Iran was a very modern country more inline with the west. For the most part other than the hard liners their people are very different than the rest of the ME.

There's no reason they cant get back to that with the right leadership

Very true. Before the 1979 revolution, Iran was generally the most modern, Western-looking society among all muslim nations in the middle east. In fact, one would be hard-pressed looking at videos of life in downtown Tehran pre-1979 that it wasn't Paris, Madrid, Rome, etc.

The thing to note about Iran is they are mostly Persian, not Arab. They border the Caucuses Mtns and are mostly racially white/caucasian. Their racial makeup doesn't matter but it is telling that they arent Arabs and have very different history and culture than most of the middle east.

Can they return to that kind of society? I hope so but its been 46 years and the generations born since then were raised in Islamic radicalism and a repressed society.

(12-31-2025 03:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Unless the videos I watched are wrong in the 50s-70s Iran was a very modern country more inline with the west. For the most part other than the hard liners their people are very different than the rest of the ME.

There's no reason they cant get back to that with the right leadership

the problem is lack of 'guarantees' from a strong Iran under the wrong control...

that entire region has been at it for millennia ... the worst thing that could happen is to help create another 'Gina' ... that's what the donks were steering towards during the Zero/Clinton SoS days...

best method mandates supporting a fractured regime coupled with continually limiting their ability to manufacture/purchase nuclear grade weaponry...

#vitrification works for thine ... however, that would take a first move on their part ... best to make sure that never is allowed to happen for all parties involved, Ja!?

(12-31-2025 03:59 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-31-2025 03:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Unless the videos I watched are wrong in the 50s-70s Iran was a very modern country more inline with the west. For the most part other than the hard liners their people are very different than the rest of the ME.

There's no reason they cant get back to that with the right leadership

Very true. Before the 1979 revolution, Iran was generally the most modern, Western-looking society among all muslim nations in the middle east. In fact, one would be hard-pressed looking at videos of life in downtown Tehran pre-1979 that it wasn't Paris, Madrid, Rome, etc.

The thing to note about Iran is they are mostly Persian, not Arab. They border the Caucuses Mtns and are mostly racially white/caucasian. Their racial makeup doesn't matter but it is telling that they arent Arabs and have very different history and culture than most of the middle east.

Can they return to that kind of society? I hope so but its been 46 years and the generations born since then were raised in Islamic radicalism and a repressed society.

that's the thorn that lies within the 'rub'...

(12-31-2025 01:36 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(12-31-2025 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Unless the takeover or collapse somehow turns into some form of democracy, it's just the same song, next verse.

Yep.

Like I said in my comment above.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

If you'll excuse me...

I'll tip my hat to the new Constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

(No, no!)

Okay. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I was hoping something would've happened fifteen or so years ago when the college students were protesting in the streets, but that was quashed by the Revolutionary Guard. (Hence my posting the chorus of "Won't Get Fooled Again" by the Who.) I really hope it's different this time, but I fear Andy B.'s right.

(12-31-2025 03:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-31-2025 03:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Unless the videos I watched are wrong in the 50s-70s Iran was a very modern country more inline with the west. For the most part other than the hard liners their people are very different than the rest of the ME.

There's no reason they cant get back to that with the right leadership

the problem is lack of 'guarantees' from a strong Iran under the wrong control...

that entire region has been at it for millennia ... the worst thing that could happen is to help create another 'Gina' ... that's what the donks were steering towards during the Zero/Clinton SoS days...

best method mandates supporting a fractured regime coupled with continually limiting their ability to manufacture/purchase nuclear grade weaponry...

#vitrification works for thine ... however, that would take a first move on their part ... best to make sure that never is allowed to happen for all parties involved, Ja!?

America should keep its nose clean, maybe some backdoor help when the time comes...if it comes. But mostly let the people decide, which way they want to go.

That might be impossible for our government to do and going by history near impossible that America doesnt try to shape Iran into what they want.

edit: while most of the people that lived in a free Iran are dead or gone....their children have not so that's hope they want the change their parents and grandparent lived through.