So take half of their resources to pay us back.

Seems like a good trade to them not having a Russian flag over Kiev.

(11-21-2025 08:22 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 08:21 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It's the best deal Ukraine is going to get. Take it or leave it.

That corrupt retard Z needs to be dethroned

Yes! He should never have fought back by making all of those Ukrainians die fighting for freedom from Russia!

You are worse than the prog filth here in your focus of hate on one individual.

(11-21-2025 09:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  So take half of their resources to pay us back.

Seems like a good trade to them not having a Russian flag over Kiev.

Discuss it with Sure Karen. He’s the one reeeeeeing! globohomos gonna take all their natural resources

(11-21-2025 09:55 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 08:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 02:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol—I think Shere might be Witcoff. They certainly think alike. We should probably wait to see what the ENTIRE plan is before we accept the current leaks as “fact”. However, if the deal really is just a reheated version of the unconditional surrender Putin has been peddling since Feb of 2022—then it’s time to bench Witcoff as he’s totally discredited himself as a viable negotiator. Rubio is the Secretary of State—Rubio is the professional in this situation. Let Witcoff go back to real estate and let’s see what Rubio can put together for Trump and Putin to mold into a deal Trump can sell to Ukraine.

That said—- One thing Ukraine should understand—any peace deal is going to end in a land for security peace exchange. Ukraine is going to lose territory. The key to the deal will be giving them the kind of [b]security guarantees[/b] that will insure they never lose territory to Russia ever again.

Absolutely frickin no.

Cute term for we will protect them while the globohomos take their natural resources

Real world...frick em. Not our problem.

Same since day 1.

Now if we go in and conquer Ukraine, make them a territory, yeah, then they get a "security guarantee"

Just insane. In what lunatic world do we agree to protect ukraine in perpetuity?

Did you miss the part where WE are the globohomos taking half their natural resources?

How do you feel about us rebuilding the parts of Russia that they destroyed with their invasion?

You’re right about protecting Ukraine. They should be allowed to protect themselves, right?

Youve been wrong. Ive been clear.

Z needs to go and Ukraine needs a real leader, build a real army and live to fight another day

We need to get paid back. Period. They can pay us in land.

Ukraine is paying for its stupidity and EU/ globohomo alliance.

frick em.

Losers lose

(11-21-2025 09:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It's good for Ukraine because it doesn't become part of Russia again.

That is the main Ukrainian success of this war of Russian aggression. They stopped them from being totally overrun. That was always the only goal against a much larger fighting force with 4 times the bodies to throw into the grinder. Refuse this and it will take a couple years but becoming part of Russia is going to be the outcome.

Again, Ukraine is destroying Russia’s economic infrastructure night after night with their own weapons. It is Russia, who cannot stand another year of this war. This deal is great for Russia because it ends the destruction of their economic engine, ends any chance of retribution for war crimes, give them territory they haven’t conquered and has the world participating in the rebuilding of their conquered territories.
And the most ridiculous part of this whole agreement is the belief that the Russians will adhere to any laws or sign treaties. It is even in this agreement that we will not help in Ukraine‘s defense if Ukraine fires a missile into Moscow or Saint Petersburg. How completely ridiculous that is. The perfect homemade excuse for the next Russian invasion.

(11-21-2025 09:53 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 08:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 02:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol—I think Shere might be Witcoff. They certainly think alike. We should probably wait to see what the ENTIRE plan is before we accept the current leaks as “fact”. However, if the deal really is just a reheated version of the unconditional surrender Putin has been peddling since Feb of 2022—then it’s time to bench Witcoff as he’s totally discredited himself as a viable negotiator. Rubio is the Secretary of State—Rubio is the professional in this situation. Let Witcoff go back to real estate and let’s see what Rubio can put together for Trump and Putin to mold into a deal Trump can sell to Ukraine.

That said—- One thing Ukraine should understand—any peace deal is going to end in a land for security peace exchange. Ukraine is going to lose territory. The key to the deal will be giving them the kind of [b]security guarantees[/b] that will insure they never lose territory to Russia ever again.

Absolutely frickin no.

Cute term for we will protect them while the globohomos take their natural resources

Real world...frick em. Not our problem.

Same since day 1.

Now if we go in and conquer Ukraine, make them a territory, yeah, then they get a "security guarantee"

Just insane. In what lunatic world do we agree to protect ukraine in perpetuity?

It is a horrible deal for us if we get roped into the security guarantee part. No way should we agree to that. Nothing "America First" about that.

It should be Western Europe providing the security guarantees. Western European troops should be in Ukraine right now. North Korean have been fighting with the Russians for over a year. Western European nations should have been doing the same.

All Russia loses is $100B in foreign assets. They need to pay a much higher price. It is absolutely insane that they get so much. North Korea doesn't pay either. Konigsburg and North Korean territories should be on the table.

Economic sanctions simply do not work. They do not force the hands of despotic nations. They do not result in revolutions. It won't be a threat that keeps Russia in line.

Once again, the blame for this entire mess belongs to Western Europe. Their lack of military preparation, their lack of sending in troops, their lack of a credible threat is what enabled and extended all this. Mass Migration, closet commies, and evil politicians have left our European allies weak and ineffective. We probably need to leave NATO for them to take their own defence and the defence of their nearby allies seriously.

For Everyone but Putin

Pacifying an INSANE BLOOD THIRSTY LUNATIC is Fool's Gold

If anyone thinks the Russians won't return to take the whole of Ukraine are fools themselves.

This plan is basically leave the hen house door open at night for the coyotes.

Security deal? What a joke! Just like the security deal when the Nukes were relinquished?

Trump would be better off to Pontius Pilate wash his hands of this mess than go down as FOOL for implementing this ignorance and be branded a fool for all time.

I am sure Chamberlain didn't acquiesce so willingly. He did so thinking he was saving lives as well and history has skewered him for all eternity.

I think it's a good deal. Ukraine isn't gonna get any more land back and they'll be lucky they retain their sovereignty.

But...with matters concerning Russia, we can only hope that they honor the treaty...but what else can be done? We have to hope that at least no more people on both sides get killed and that's a great thing for both parties. No one wants their children and husbands fighting and dying. No treaty can give everything the other wants, this one is viable.

Everyone here has been saying that the only way this war would end would be for Ukraine to give up the territory Russia has gained and that's what has happened. I knew that and I'm just a commoner.

(11-21-2025 10:19 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  I think it's a good deal. Ukraine isn't gonna get any more land back and they'll be lucky they retain their sovereignty.

But...with matters concerning Russia, we can only hope that they honor the treaty...but what else can be done? We have to hope that at least no more people on both sides get killed and that's a great thing for both parties. No one wants their children and husbands fighting and dying. No treaty can give everything the other wants, this one is viable.

Everyone here has been saying that the only way this war would end would be for Ukraine to give up the territory Russia has gained and that's what has happened. I knew that and I'm just a commoner.

Maybe those Eunuchs in Europe better come up with a plan.

We all know how trustworthy Russians are. Not even up for debate

I wish some of you would make up your minds....

Russia's going to break the deal and take Ukraine.

Next thing coming out is....

Ukraine will take back all their land if Trump would let them because Russia is ready to fall.

How about take the damn peace and then use that time and money you get from the resources to build up your army and weapons and factories to make them. Then you are ready if Russia breaks any deal.

You save those men and you build and stock up and during the peace build your own damn missiles and bombs.

But first please tell us....

is Russia ready t fall or are they just waiting to take all of Ukraine a few months from any peace deal? Can't be both.

In the peace deal it states that Ukraine can only have 600k in their standing Army, there's no stipulation where they can't have a national guard. Like Israel, Ukraine can go that route.

(11-21-2025 10:23 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 10:19 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  I think it's a good deal. Ukraine isn't gonna get any more land back and they'll be lucky they retain their sovereignty.

But...with matters concerning Russia, we can only hope that they honor the treaty...but what else can be done? We have to hope that at least no more people on both sides get killed and that's a great thing for both parties. No one wants their children and husbands fighting and dying. No treaty can give everything the other wants, this one is viable.

Everyone here has been saying that the only way this war would end would be for Ukraine to give up the territory Russia has gained and that's what has happened. I knew that and I'm just a commoner.

Maybe those Eunuchs in Europe better come up with a plan.

We all know how trustworthy Russians are. Not even up for debate

Yeah and Ukrainians are Russians FFS.

Slavs can fight slavs till the end of time for all i care.

I do not want to pay for it with our treasure or blood.

Its not complicated.

Hey Shere, you do realize that Trump has no intention of putting a single boot on Ukranian or Russian soil, right?

He would simply go in and bomb them back to the dark ages.

(11-21-2025 10:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey Shere, you do realize that Trump has no intention of putting a single boot on Ukranian or Russian soil, right?

He would simply go in and bomb them back to the dark ages.

As long as we plant a flag there.

Enough this fighting wars without conquering territory.

Our ancestors would laugh at us

Make Ukraine a US territory and hell I will go fight Russians

Otherwise frick em

The next person that posts muh soveriegn nation gets s -3

There is no such thing as a soveriegn nation that cant defend its own borders, by definition.

Ukraine needs to elect a real leader, build a real army and sonewhere down the line kick Russian arse.

(11-21-2025 11:03 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 10:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey Shere, you do realize that Trump has no intention of putting a single boot on Ukranian or Russian soil, right?

He would simply go in and bomb them back to the dark ages.

As long as we plant a flag there.

Enough this fighting wars without conquering territory.

Our ancestors would laugh at us

Make Ukraine a US territory and hell I will go fight Russians

Otherwise frick em

Then we would have to put boots on the ground. To defend a pile of rubble on the other side of the world. Nope.

(11-21-2025 11:05 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 11:03 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 10:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey Shere, you do realize that Trump has no intention of putting a single boot on Ukranian or Russian soil, right?

He would simply go in and bomb them back to the dark ages.

As long as we plant a flag there.

Enough this fighting wars without conquering territory.

Our ancestors would laugh at us

Make Ukraine a US territory and hell I will go fight Russians

Otherwise frick em

Then we would have to put boots on the ground. To defend a pile of rubble on the other side of the world. Nope.

Exactly!

Frick em.

(11-21-2025 11:03 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 10:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey Shere, you do realize that Trump has no intention of putting a single boot on Ukranian or Russian soil, right?

He would simply go in and bomb them back to the dark ages.

As long as we plant a flag there.

Enough this fighting wars without conquering territory.

Our ancestors would laugh at us

Make Ukraine a US territory and hell I will go fight Russians

Otherwise frick em

The next person that posts muh soveriegn nation gets s -3

There is no such thing as a soveriegn nation that cant defend its own borders, by definition.

Ukraine needs to elect a real leader, build a real army and sonewhere down the line kick Russian arse.

*somewhere *sovereign *sovereign and you're too old and blind to fight.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c6257wrx301t

"On the one hand, he complained of enormous pressure and suggested that accepting the US "peace plan" would amount to Ukraine losing its dignity."

This guy worrying about losing dignity



While destroying Ukraine

Idiot

(11-21-2025 12:23 PM)Roxie Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 11:03 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 10:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey Shere, you do realize that Trump has no intention of putting a single boot on Ukranian or Russian soil, right?

He would simply go in and bomb them back to the dark ages.

As long as we plant a flag there.

Enough this fighting wars without conquering territory.

Our ancestors would laugh at us

Make Ukraine a US territory and hell I will go fight Russians

Otherwise frick em

The next person that posts muh soveriegn nation gets s -3

There is no such thing as a soveriegn nation that cant defend its own borders, by definition.

Ukraine needs to elect a real leader, build a real army and sonewhere down the line kick Russian arse.

*somewhere *sovereign *sovereign and you're too old and blind to fight.

Quiet piggy

(11-21-2025 03:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Okay, I haven't read every word yet, but unless Ukraine somehow thinks they can recover all their territory, I don't see the issue. Trump's strategy is to stop the killing.

Looks like Russia gets the occupied territory plus the disputed part, and Ukraine gets a full security guarantee from the US, which it has not had before.

If Russia invades Ukraine again, all agreements are off, and the US will back Ukraine.

How is this a bad deal for Ukraine? They get to keep most of their country, and have security guarantees from the US. And most of all, the war is stopped.

Its a bad deal because the fortress like multi-layered prepared defense lines in the Luhansk and Donesk area's that have stymied the Russian advance since 2014 would be given up---meaning Ukraine would become MUCH more vulnerable to successful future breakthrough Russian attacks. Also---the details of the security "guarantees" (which are not clearly defined in the overview posted) would have to be darn near NATO Article 5 level guarantees to make it worth giving up their prepared fortress defense line while slashing their military size to the degree proposed.

That said---to me---I dont think its so far from being viable that it cant become the basis for a deal. I still think the most easily implemented deal is a freeze along the existing lines (Russia gets the land they have taken) and Ukraine gets robust near NATO Article 5 security guarantees (with the US and at least one other nuclear power being among the guarantors). Remember---both sides dont trust each other, so asking one side to cut its military and pull back from its best prepared defensive positions----without any other nations troops on site acting as buffer to deter further Russian advances is a lot to ask. That said---I dont think the 28 point deal is all that far from being acceptable---it just needs more detail---especially when it comes to the security guarantees.

(11-21-2025 08:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-21-2025 02:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol—I think Shere might be Witcoff. They certainly think alike. We should probably wait to see what the ENTIRE plan is before we accept the current leaks as “fact”. However, if the deal really is just a reheated version of the unconditional surrender Putin has been peddling since Feb of 2022—then it’s time to bench Witcoff as he’s totally discredited himself as a viable negotiator. Rubio is the Secretary of State—Rubio is the professional in this situation. Let Witcoff go back to real estate and let’s see what Rubio can put together for Trump and Putin to mold into a deal Trump can sell to Ukraine.

That said—- One thing Ukraine should understand—any peace deal is going to end in a land for security peace exchange. Ukraine is going to lose territory. The key to the deal will be giving them the kind of [b]security guarantees[/b] that will insure they never lose territory to Russia ever again.

Absolutely frickin no.

Cute term for we will protect them while the globohomos take their natural resources

Real world...frick em. Not our problem.

Same since day 1.

Now if we go in and conquer Ukraine, make them a territory, yeah, then they get a "security guarantee"

Just insane. In what lunatic world do we agree to protect ukraine in perpetuity?

Apparently----we already have agreed to be included in the security guarantee portion of the deal---but to what degree wasnt made clear (theres not a lot of detail in general when it comes to the security guarantees portion of the deal beyond the US being involved). My guess is our involvement would be restricted to nuclear umbrella protection, intelligence sharing, logistics, and providing air cover/support for any European troops sent to defend Ukraine if Russian invaded again. No boots on the ground.