(11-08-2025 10:17 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 08:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  For those saying to not nuke the filibuster....keep in mind the dems would have already gotten rid of it had there not been a few votes to block them. THose dem votes to block nuking the filibuster on their side are no longer there. (Manchin, Sinema) and the other holdout is Fetterman and they are going to primary him.

So the dems WILL do it when they get 50 votes in the senate. They already tried doing it but couldnt. The wall that prevented them from doing it is gone.

Anyone knows that if the Demonics want something it often has to do with them wanting more power. If they're against the filibuster it shows that it is in their best interest. Always go against what they want as it often is against good government.

Fetterman should run as an independent. The people in Pennsylvania know his record now and would probably vote for the person and not the party which some wouldn't vote for an independent for any reason. He's proved time and again that he does have common sense and is pro-Israel.

Screw the party, Fetterman, and go independent.

Doesn't matter. He's done. No more $$$ for him.

(11-08-2025 09:26 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 01:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-07-2025 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  The filibuster is NOT in the Constitution. It was established as a Senate rule when Senators were serious people who cared more about the country than the party.

I wonder if this is possible to do -

1 - Eliminate the Filibuster since it isn't an official law that should be easy to do.

2 - Open the government back up by simple majority vote.

3 - Before the midterms next year, pass all legislation that you can to help the country needing only a majority of votes in the Senate (which they have) instead of 60.

4 - If it appears that the Democrats will regain control of the House or Senate during the midterms next year then pass an actual "Filibuster" law right before then - with your simple majority - to reinstate the Filibuster and put whatever number (60, 63, 65, etc.) that you feel safe with and want it to be as being a requirement for passing any future laws. Make it read that any new law or changes to an existing law MUST be via the required Filibuster number for approval - including any desired changes to the Filibuster law itself.

5 - If it is pretty certain that the Republicans will maintain control of the House and the Senate in next year's midterm voting then #4 above can be done right before Trump leaves office instead of late next year to give the Republicans 2 more years of control.

If all of that is possible then it should allow Trump and the Republicans to actually get to govern during his term instead of being stonewalled by the government shutdown and the do-nothing Democrats, and also prevent the Democrats from simply voting in harmful things like D.C. statehood just to get 2 more Democrat Senators and additional House reps., packing the Supreme Court to politically slant everything hard left coming out of it, etc.

I actually think that it would cause the Democrats and Republicans to get compromise more often politically in the future knowing that they had to in order to ever pass anything - especially so the higher the Filibuster number was.

This is well thought out. It could work. It would lead to mass protests and claims of totalitarianism. We are used to it. We might as well be proactive and do it. The Democrats are going to do away with the filibuster and pack the supreme court anyways.

Excellent post by ODU, at the very least threaten it and call these bastards bluff.

Again, opening the government without the dems in this manner would be a shot heard round the world in a good way. Especially around the holidays. That provides cover to proceed in this manner with a large amount kf support and momentum.



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again, the end game is single payer...

(11-08-2025 12:55 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

That is all true and I have been saying it to everyone.. this is all about feeding the insurance companies so they will feed the politicians...

but let's be real... they give the same amount to both sides. Republicans own the government and no chance at all will they fix health care because they are getting paid way too much not to fix it.

In 12 years they have not even tried to come up with an alternative... just keep taking their Big Insurance and Big Pharma campaign donations and kick backs and blame each other.

Can anyone really explain why a Covid subsidy should be extended besides muh feels?

This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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(11-08-2025 04:21 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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hands down, it's better than the current or what they really want in single payer....

yeah, the schmuckster is gonna need a 24/7 care if they pass that thru their bowels...

(11-08-2025 03:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Can anyone really explain why a Covid subsidy should be extended besides muh feels?

b/c, in donk-tardia speak, temporary = permanent

Quote: HOLY CRAP! Chuck Schumer suddenly FLEES the Senate floor to avoid an absolute GRILLING by Sen. Bernie Moreno (R-OH) on his massive Obamacare fraud https://x.com/AmberJoCooper/status/19872...00/video/1

MORENO: I was GOING to ask him before he stormed out of the room…because evidently he doesn‘t want to hear any opposing views or actually engage in meaningful negotiation…would he continue $0 premiums, which we know for a FACT, have enormous levels of fraud!?

Democrats are flailing! He’s on the verge of surrender! ??

Donald Trump created the opening this morning and Senate Republicans are taking it.

ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

(11-08-2025 04:21 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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Hell yes!

(11-08-2025 05:10 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

XACLY! ... no FK'N WAY YA CAVE!!!

honestly, that might be worth breakin' the filibuster if coupled with legitimate legislation like this downstream ... that would be a monster win by incentivizing best method with all involved...

(11-08-2025 05:17 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 04:21 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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Hell yes!

That is an interesting idea. Give the money to the people to buy insurance. That way they know the true cost and decide how much out of their own pocket they want to spend.

Similar concept to school vouchers

(11-08-2025 07:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 05:17 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 04:21 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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Hell yes!

That is an interesting idea. Give the money to the people to buy insurance. That way they know the true cost and decide how much out of their own pocket they want to spend.

Similar concept to school vouchers

HSA should have no effin contribution limit either.

Allow all Americans to contribute tax free as long as they want.

Its moronic to not allow this.

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(11-08-2025 07:59 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 07:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 05:17 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 04:21 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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Hell yes!

That is an interesting idea. Give the money to the people to buy insurance. That way they know the true cost and decide how much out of their own pocket they want to spend.

Similar concept to school vouchers

HSA should have no effin contribution limit either.

Allow all Americans to contribute tax free as long as they want.

Its moronic to not allow this.

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unless one wants to limit the ability to achieve and dole their coin as they see fit, Ja?!

what's a coprshite to do when the teat isn't fully subsidized with bs visits...

I still can't fathom how insurance companies are publicly traded on any exchange ... by itself that screams FRAUD AT EVERY LEVEL....

(11-08-2025 07:59 PM)maximus Wrote:  HAA should have no effin contribution limit either.

Allow all Americans to contribute tax free as long as they want.

Its moronic to not allow this.

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You are preaching to the choir on HSA

The fact that we don't encourage every single American to have an HSA is just stupid

Trump talked about giving kids $1000 savings to start life with .. this would be a great place to put them. Every American should have an HSA and employees and employers should work together to fund that HSA

Instead we find health plans no one can afford to use because the deductibles are so high and all your healthcare money goes to premiums

(11-08-2025 04:21 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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Ok, I might be receiving this wrong but is the money going to be like a SS payment going to the receipient? If it is what is there to prevent the receipient from using the money for other things and not for healthcare? I think it should come as a credit card to use whenever the receipent needs it for health reasons and not an outright payment.

Explain please.

(11-09-2025 10:38 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-08-2025 04:21 PM)maximus Wrote:  This is the way....

Actually said this waaaay back when they passed the debacle.

Chuck is gonna need a new diaper.

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Ok, I might be receiving this wrong but is the money going to be like a SS payment going to the receipient? If it is what is there to prevent the receipient from using the money for other things and not for healthcare? I think it should come as a credit card to use whenever the receipent needs it for health reasons and not an outright payment.

Explain please.

Thats what an HSA is, its an account that can only be used for Healthcare expenses. Co-pays, deductibles, out of pocket anything, in this case insurance premiums...

I max ours out through our employer. They put in 1k or 2k a year to start the year and the remaining is with held pre-tax. Contributions carry over and dont expire.

We actually have an app where you can invest a % of yours into funds to gain higher yields instead of the money just sitting there.

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But, but, but what will the poor unmarried slobs that have 8 kids with 10 different baby daddys do for "healthcare"? And what about those baby daddys that get up at 12 and smoke weed and play video games all day do for "healthcare"?