(11-07-2025 03:23 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Now, all of a sudden, Democrats are pro Health Insurance Corporations. Let's give them 10s of $billions dollars with no guarantee that insurance rates will decrease. Isn't the whole point of the Democrats is to "Lower the cost of 'Healthcare'"? I don't think feeding the monster makes it stop eating. It just makes it fatter.

Yep, but if you ask them all they say is, "Well, this is different." They speak out of both sides of their collective mouths.

California, Illinois and New York must have the Obamacare premium assistance extension. They’ve wasted millions of taxpayer dollars providing free healthcare to millions of illegals.

If Schumer caves, these blue states will be in a world of hurt.

That’s the real reason we’re having a government shutdown. It’s another bailout of Leftist state governments paid for by taxpayers in other states. Blue states need to be punished for giving every illegal that crosses the border state funded healthcare, EBT cards and free housing.

Refuse to give them money to pay for their mistakes.

(11-07-2025 05:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  California, Illinois and New York must have the Obamacare premium assistance extension. They’ve wasted millions of taxpayer dollars providing free healthcare to millions of illegals.

If Schumer caves, these blue states will be in a world of hurt.

That’s the real reason we’re having a government shutdown. It’s another bailout of Leftist state governments paid for by taxpayers in other states. Blue states need to be punished for giving every illegal that crosses the border state funded healthcare, EBT cards and free housing.

Refuse to give them money to pay for their mistakes.

it has to go down that path ... if not, it's game over...

I fully understand if they ever regain control what they'll do ... however, it will then turn into more pain before the masses realize what they have done...

the key is the next three years with voter roll reform, but more importantly, quashing the mail-it-inns for fed elections ... it has to happen or else...

I don't see any other out to keep what's left of the train on the rails...

If they have what it takes to remove the filibuster, dont they also have what it would take to add the FB? Remove it, pass what you want, add the filibuster back before mid-terms.

(11-07-2025 06:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If they have what it takes to remove the filibuster, dont they also have what it would take to add the FB? Remove it, pass what you want, add the filibuster back before mid-terms.

I get that ... however, that's a bad look, too...

blue needs to be blackened ... just like the southern miss vs. memphis state days ...

Quote:Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) takes Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) behind the shed over his proposal to reopen the government. “God, please give me patience, because if you give me strength, I’m going to need bail money.”

“What Senator Schumer is suggesting is that we do the dumbest thing possible that won’t work. Stupid should hurt more.”

“[Schumer’s proposal] means we would have to take $35B of taxpayer money and give it directly to health insurance companies without any commitment to lowering premiums.”

“I don’t know what Senator Schumer is thinking. I mean, Earth to Chuck… Am I going to vote for this? The short answer is no. The long answer is h*ll no.”

“We’re going to be in a shutdown for a while.”

if Kennedy ain' my kinda guy, I don't know who is...

Eagleaidaholic nailed it ... again, pass the CR (which is the olive branch of 'em all) and git down to bidness if'n serious...

the bottom line is they want single payer...

(11-07-2025 06:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-07-2025 06:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If they have what it takes to remove the filibuster, dont they also have what it would take to add the FB? Remove it, pass what you want, add the filibuster back before mid-terms.

I get that ... however, that's a bad look, too...

blue needs to be blackened ... just like the southern miss vs. memphis state days ...

I loved those days! That was a real rivalry, not one of these damn cross country things that are nothing but a money grab.

(11-07-2025 06:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-07-2025 06:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-07-2025 06:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If they have what it takes to remove the filibuster, dont they also have what it would take to add the FB? Remove it, pass what you want, add the filibuster back before mid-terms.

I get that ... however, that's a bad look, too...

blue needs to be blackened ... just like the southern miss vs. memphis state days ...

I loved those days! That was a real rivalry, not one of these damn cross country things that are nothing but a money grab.

no doubt ... so many great games on the hardwood as well ... yeah, I miss our series in both sports...

(11-07-2025 03:23 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Now, all of a sudden, Democrats are pro Health Insurance Corporations. Let's give them 10s of $billions dollars with no guarantee that insurance rates will decrease. Isn't the whole point of the Democrats is to "Lower the cost of 'Healthcare'"? I don't think feeding the monster makes it stop eating. It just makes it fatter.

The democrats have to find campaign funds somewhere. Most of their schemes have been shut down by Musk and Trump.

We cannot cave to the Dems on their Obamacare subsidies. We cannot do away with the filibuster. The Dems will wreck the country with no filibuster when they return to power.

It would be a massive W to kick start toward the midterms to nuke the FB, because of what the dems are doing here.

Again you then immediately passing major legislation.

Warning you if they dont then the next time the leftists have the 3... they will absolutely do it.

The way the dems are holding the country hostage is absolutely perfect political cover to do this and pass meaningful law immediately.

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(11-07-2025 04:00 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Hard no on the filibuster..... It must stay in place. You will live by the sword and die by the sword if you open that can-o-worms.

You know they would do it.

Allow a 60 day one time exception for keeping the government open.
Work on passing all 12 bills in the 60s days and negotiate on the subsidies.

The filibuster is NOT in the Constitution. It was established as a Senate rule when Senators were serious people who cared more about the country than the party.

(11-07-2025 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  The filibuster is NOT in the Constitution. It was established as a Senate rule when Senators were serious people who cared more about the country than the party.

I wonder if this is possible to do -

1 - Eliminate the Filibuster since it isn't an official law that should be easy to do.

2 - Open the government back up by simple majority vote.

3 - Before the midterms next year, pass all legislation that you can to help the country needing only a majority of votes in the Senate (which they have) instead of 60.

4 - If it appears that the Democrats will regain control of the House or Senate during the midterms next year then pass an actual "Filibuster" law right before then - with your simple majority - to reinstate the Filibuster and put whatever number (60, 63, 65, etc.) that you feel safe with and want it to be as being a requirement for passing any future laws. Make it read that any new law or changes to an existing law MUST be via the required Filibuster number for approval - including any desired changes to the Filibuster law itself.

5 - If it is pretty certain that the Republicans will maintain control of the House and the Senate in next year's midterm voting then #4 above can be done right before Trump leaves office instead of late next year to give the Republicans 2 more years of control.

If all of that is possible then it should allow Trump and the Republicans to actually get to govern during his term instead of being stonewalled by the government shutdown and the do-nothing Democrats, and also prevent the Democrats from simply voting in harmful things like D.C. statehood just to get 2 more Democrat Senators and additional House reps., packing the Supreme Court to politically slant everything hard left coming out of it, etc.

I actually think that it would cause the Democrats and Republicans to get compromise more often politically in the future knowing that they had to in order to ever pass anything - especially so the higher the Filibuster number was.

For those saying to not nuke the filibuster....keep in mind the dems would have already gotten rid of it had there not been a few votes to block them. THose dem votes to block nuking the filibuster on their side are no longer there. (Manchin, Sinema) and the other holdout is Fetterman and they are going to primary him.

So the dems WILL do it when they get 50 votes in the senate. They already tried doing it but couldnt. The wall that prevented them from doing it is gone.

GOP Senators will cave. The only reason they havent yet is because Trump and the House would be furious if they did right now. Eventually the GOP Senators will reach a grand bargain with the Dems where the Dems get 99.9% of what they want and the GOP Senators will force it on the House and the President

The GOP Senators could end this now and show the nation it can govern but they won't. Then they will act like victims when the Dems nuke it ASAP

Victim mentality is what GOP Senators do best

(11-08-2025 01:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-07-2025 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  The filibuster is NOT in the Constitution. It was established as a Senate rule when Senators were serious people who cared more about the country than the party.

I wonder if this is possible to do -

1 - Eliminate the Filibuster since it isn't an official law that should be easy to do.

2 - Open the government back up by simple majority vote.

3 - Before the midterms next year, pass all legislation that you can to help the country needing only a majority of votes in the Senate (which they have) instead of 60.

4 - If it appears that the Democrats will regain control of the House or Senate during the midterms next year then pass an actual "Filibuster" law right before then - with your simple majority - to reinstate the Filibuster and put whatever number (60, 63, 65, etc.) that you feel safe with and want it to be as being a requirement for passing any future laws. Make it read that any new law or changes to an existing law MUST be via the required Filibuster number for approval - including any desired changes to the Filibuster law itself.

5 - If it is pretty certain that the Republicans will maintain control of the House and the Senate in next year's midterm voting then #4 above can be done right before Trump leaves office instead of late next year to give the Republicans 2 more years of control.

If all of that is possible then it should allow Trump and the Republicans to actually get to govern during his term instead of being stonewalled by the government shutdown and the do-nothing Democrats, and also prevent the Democrats from simply voting in harmful things like D.C. statehood just to get 2 more Democrat Senators and additional House reps., packing the Supreme Court to politically slant everything hard left coming out of it, etc.

I actually think that it would cause the Democrats and Republicans to get compromise more often politically in the future knowing that they had to in order to ever pass anything - especially so the higher the Filibuster number was.

This is well thought out. It could work. It would lead to mass protests and claims of totalitarianism. We are used to it. We might as well be proactive and do it. The Democrats are going to do away with the filibuster and pack the supreme court anyways.

(11-08-2025 08:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  For those saying to not nuke the filibuster....keep in mind the dems would have already gotten rid of it had there not been a few votes to block them. THose dem votes to block nuking the filibuster on their side are no longer there. (Manchin, Sinema) and the other holdout is Fetterman and they are going to primary him.

So the dems WILL do it when they get 50 votes in the senate. They already tried doing it but couldnt. The wall that prevented them from doing it is gone.

Anyone knows that if the Demonics want something it often has to do with them wanting more power. If they're against the filibuster it shows that it is in their best interest. Always go against what they want as it often is against good government.

Fetterman should run as an independent. The people in Pennsylvania know his record now and would probably vote for the person and not the party which some wouldn't vote for an independent for any reason. He's proved time and again that he does have common sense and is pro-Israel.

Screw the party, Fetterman, and go independent.

Kill the filibuster for CRs with no changes added or deleted only with a Caveat the same CR can only be passed 3 times.