(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contact currently lies) and again repeated the same ole' surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum to get Putin off his non-negotiable positions.

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

(10-20-2025 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

Which is why I think Trump messed up by not continuing to publicly move forward with the sale of Tomahawks last Friday (whether he intended to go through with the sale or not). By halting the progress for now----he basically showed weakness and handed control of the peace process back to Putin. The only thing I can figure is Trump still thinks he can lever Putin away from the Chinese alliance----because he thinks Putin can be our friend. Not only is Putin not our friend---but Putin actually NEEDS to undermine the American position in the world to reach his goal of a multi-polar world that includes a much expanded Russian Empire.

(10-20-2025 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

Which is why I think Trump messed up by not continuing to publicly move forward with the sale of Tomahawks last Friday. He basically gave control of the process back to Putin.

agree ... I haven't agreed with you, wsme, and a few other guys in the past in any of this conflict, but he's out over his skis if he doesn't follow thru at this point ... same as my point with bibi and his initial statement 2 friggin' years ago...

therefore, what is that telling us ... it tells me Ike was right!!!

I'm going with a different version of hardcore owl #s here ... if you want to win, then do it ... if not, don't play in that sandbox...

(10-20-2025 05:24 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

Which is why I think Trump messed up by not continuing to publicly move forward with the sale of Tomahawks last Friday. He basically gave control of the process back to Putin.

agree ... I haven't agreed with you, wsme, and a few other guys in the past in any of this conflict, but he's out over his skis if he doesn't follow thru at this point ... same as my point with bibi and his initial statement 2 friggin' years ago...

therefore, what is that telling us ... it tells me Ike was right!!!

I'm going with a different version of hardcore owl #s here ... if you want to win, then do it ... if not, don't play in that sandbox...

EXACTLY!!! +3 Owl#'s wise commentary on this board is sorely missed.

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contact currently lies) and again repeated the same ole' surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum to get Putin off his non-negotiable positions.

Trump will have to back up one of these red lines he’s drawn. It seems it’s always “another two weeks or else”. The Russians openly mocked the last time line Trump gave them.
He has also repeated the Ukraine could win quote. I don’t know if he’s poking Putin to get it over with or if he’s prodding Zelinsky to make a mistake. Trump seems to be all over the place with this particular issue. It gives the prog filth a weapon to use against him. Maybe he should wash his hands of it and make some money selling weapons to NATO to demolish Russia’s oil and gas industry. And sell oil and gas to Europe to replace the Russian loss.

F*** Russia! F*** Ukraine! Let them both kill each other for all I care. Israel and Palestine have been doing it to each other for a long time. I'm so f***ing sick and tired of hearing about these two s***hole countries and what they're doing to each other on a daily basis.

AMERICA FIRST! AND ONLY AMERICA FIRST! NOTHING ELSE!

(10-20-2025 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

Which is why I think Trump messed up by not continuing to publicly move forward with the sale of Tomahawks last Friday (whether he intended to go through with the sale or not). By halting the progress for now----he basically showed weakness and handed control of the peace process back to Putin. The only thing I can figure is Trump still thinks he can lever Putin away from the Chinese alliance----because he thinks Putin can be our friend. Not only is Putin not our friend---but Putin actually NEEDS to undermine the American position in the world to reach his goal of a multi-polar world that includes a much expanded Russian Empire.

The Russians are actively at war now against the west. Cyber attacks and drone incursions are disrupting public services and travel and costing millions of dollars. Instigators are sowing unrest throughout the west. The Europeans may not be the best of allies but Russia is a sworn enemy of the west and will never be an ally of the west against China. We need someone on our side if the chit hits the fan no matter how globohomo or weak they are. Any ally is better than none.

(10-20-2025 10:26 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  F*** Russia! F*** Ukraine! Let them both kill each other for all I care. Israel and Palestine have been doing it to each other for a long time. I'm so f***ing sick and tired of hearing about these two s***hole countries and what they're doing to each other on a daily basis.

AMERICA FIRST! AND ONLY AMERICA FIRST! NOTHING ELSE!

Calm down Gladys. What happens in this world affects America. You can’t have America first without putting America first on the world stage. Otherwise we are just another Canada. We are -the- super power. Sometimes we need to remind the bad actors of that fact.

(10-20-2025 10:38 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

Which is why I think Trump messed up by not continuing to publicly move forward with the sale of Tomahawks last Friday (whether he intended to go through with the sale or not). By halting the progress for now----he basically showed weakness and handed control of the peace process back to Putin. The only thing I can figure is Trump still thinks he can lever Putin away from the Chinese alliance----because he thinks Putin can be our friend. Not only is Putin not our friend---but Putin actually NEEDS to undermine the American position in the world to reach his goal of a multi-polar world that includes a much expanded Russian Empire.

The Russians are actively at war now against the west. Cyber attacks and drone incursions are disrupting public services and travel and costing millions of dollars. Instigators are sowing unrest throughout the west. The Europeans may not be the best of allies but Russia is a sworn enemy of the west and will never be an ally of the west against China. We need someone on our side if the chit hits the fan no matter how globohomo or weak they are. Any ally is better than none.

the USD is OUR side ... it's that simple...

why do you think the globohomos are freakin' the fk out ... look past the bs ... we're in wwTTTrey ... it's just a different version ... pain will be had by all when the silt sets...

when margin call comes, whether we're worm fodder or not, out children and grand chillin's will have to endure ... protecting the USD is critical mass ... PERIOD!

they built this row of dutch tulips ... it's that or bust at this point .. and we're leveraged to the hilt .. it's not the boomers fault, but the boomers in #s ... can't beat the math...

(10-20-2025 10:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 10:38 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

Which is why I think Trump messed up by not continuing to publicly move forward with the sale of Tomahawks last Friday (whether he intended to go through with the sale or not). By halting the progress for now----he basically showed weakness and handed control of the peace process back to Putin. The only thing I can figure is Trump still thinks he can lever Putin away from the Chinese alliance----because he thinks Putin can be our friend. Not only is Putin not our friend---but Putin actually NEEDS to undermine the American position in the world to reach his goal of a multi-polar world that includes a much expanded Russian Empire.

The Russians are actively at war now against the west. Cyber attacks and drone incursions are disrupting public services and travel and costing millions of dollars. Instigators are sowing unrest throughout the west. The Europeans may not be the best of allies but Russia is a sworn enemy of the west and will never be an ally of the west against China. We need someone on our side if the chit hits the fan no matter how globohomo or weak they are. Any ally is better than none.

the USD is OUR side ... it's that simple...

why do you think the globohomos are freakin' the fk out ... look past the bs ... we're in wwTTTrey ... it's just a different version ... pain will be had by all when the silt sets...

when margin call comes, whether we're worm fodder or not, out children and grand chillin's will have to endure ... protecting the USD is critical mass ... PERIOD!

they built this row of dutch tulips ... it's that or bust at this point .. and we're leveraged to the hilt .. it's not the boomers fault, but the boomers in #s ... can't beat the math...

The US dollar is strong ONLY because our world military strength and presence is backing it up. We retreat into a shell and the perception of the US dollar as a currency will end. We need to project power and we need to stand by those who are even closely aligned with us. Stability has to be maintained to maintain the dollar as the world’s currency. Russia desperately wants to end the US dollar as a world reserve currency and they have China as an ally in that pursuit. We retreat into a shell and they are that much closer to gaining that position. Hardly America first.

(10-20-2025 08:15 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Good find, although I am dubious of the source.

From the article: Ukraine has ramped up its drone attacks on Russian oil and gas facilities and pipelines since August, with Bloomberg estimating that roughly one in three Russian refineries has been hit.

One way to measure strikes effectiveness include observing volume and revenue of oil shipped by Russia. For example, one source states:
1. "In September, Russia’s monthly fossil fuel export revenues saw a 4% month-on-month decline to EUR 546 mn per day — the lowest they have been since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine."

2. "In September 2025, Russian tax revenues from oil & gas exports recorded a 26% year-on-year reduction. However, there was a 15% rebound month-on-month, driven chiefly by changes in the timing of Export Duty collections, rather than by significant increases in production or upstream taxes. Gas revenues remain especially weak, with export volumes to Europe sharply curtailed and domestic regulated prices keeping margins low."

3. "Russian revenues in September 2025 are half of what they were in September 2022 — despite volumes witnessing a mere 5% decline, in this same comparison window."
https://energyandcleanair.org/september-...sanctions/

Putin is learning Russia is not immune to a war of attrition.

I would say there were several more credible sources but I couldn’t resist this one to post

(10-20-2025 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Hitting the oil and gas facilities is the best way to get Putin to seriously consider a reasonable negotiated settlement. Thats his bread and butter money producer. Sounds like we are probably giving Ukraine intelligence on the disposition of Russian anti-air assets---which allows the slow propeller driven drones a better chance of actually reaching their targets. Personally, I think Trump should have kept the Tomahawk sale to Ukraine moving forward in order to create time sensitive pressure on Putin to become more reasonable in his demands in order to get a peaceful solution before those Tomahawks and Taurus missiles start arriving. lol---even the talking head propagandists in Russia actually agree with me on this point.

https://x.com/PaulConRO/status/1980187699056414786

I agree about the Tomahawks. Trump is once again going to get played here. I get what Trump is trying to achieve but he isn’t dealing with a rational person.

My question to Trump how many times do you look like WALK THE DOG trick on a yo yo?

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contact currently lies) and again repeated the same ole' surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum to get Putin off his non-negotiable positions.

I take this Ukraine surrender story about Trump with a 50 lb bag of salt. Z would NEVER live it down and most likely would be killed a coward and traitor.

Trump understands this if he doesn’t he has become unhinged about this war.

Plus, it makes no sense the US would be coordinating strikes against Russia infrastructure

I truly believe if Trump would send a barrage of long range missiles it would bring Putin out of his fog of arrogance

Trump won’t listen to people who have already explained all of this to him

I do get Trumps position of feeling like he’s playing a game of chicken

(10-20-2025 11:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contact currently lies) and again repeated the same ole' surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum to get Putin off his non-negotiable positions.

I take this Ukraine surrender story about Trump with a 50 lb bag of salt. Z would NEVER live it down and most likely would be killed a coward and traitor.

Trump understands this if he doesn’t he has become unhinged about this war.

Plus, it makes no sense the US would be coordinating strikes against Russia infrastructure

I truly believe if Trump would send a barrage of long range missiles it would bring Putin out of his fog of arrogance

Trump won’t listen to people who have already explained all of this to him

I do get Trumps position of feeling like he’s playing a game of chicken

The only thing I can come up with to explain Trump’s position is the fear of nuclear weapons being used by Putin to avoid defeat. I think this is not something to be worried about. Putin may be that crazy with fear but those around him probably aren’t. I don’t believe they would risk being wiped off the world map just to placate Putin.

Sending Tomahawks to Ukraine may be a problem because of short supply. We used up one year worth of production in one month recently per a story I read.

The days of America’s being the “arsenal of democracy” are long gone.

(10-21-2025 08:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Sending Tomahawks to Ukraine may be a problem because of short supply. We used up one year worth of production in one month recently per a story I read.

The days of America’s being the “arsenal of democracy” are long gone.

Oh FFS,

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY! WE ARE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!

How many f***ing times must this be said until it gets through the fat stupid heads of the left and the right in this retarded country of ours? JFC, what a nation of dummies.

(10-21-2025 08:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Sending Tomahawks to Ukraine may be a problem because of short supply. We used up one year worth of production in one month recently per a story I read.

The days of America’s being the “arsenal of democracy” are long gone.

It would be symbolic more than anything else. If Putin still decides to carry on then let them rain down and destroy every bit of Russian Energy Infrastructure going into winter.

No one ever said WAR was supposed to be comfortable.

(10-21-2025 08:49 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 08:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Sending Tomahawks to Ukraine may be a problem because of short supply. We used up one year worth of production in one month recently per a story I read.

The days of America’s being the[b] “arsenal of democracy”[/b] are long gone.

Oh FFS,

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY! WE ARE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!

How many f***ing times must this be said until it gets through the fat stupid heads of the left and the right in this retarded country of ours? JFC, what a nation of dummies.

Can you please explain what that even means! I have never heard this term.

Democracy means mob rule. Politicians use term to control the uninformed masses.

(10-20-2025 10:38 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 05:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-20-2025 04:52 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It appears now that Trump was bluffing, again, and never considered sending Tomahawks to NATO to provide to Ukraine. Reports are that Trump once again demanded Ukraine surrender and became angry when Zelensky refused. Cursing, shouting and throwing maps followed according to sources. I don’t know if these sources are legit or not but it does sound believable. Trump is definitely on Putin’s side in this. I do not know why but the look isn’t good.
America once again abandons the closest thing to allies we have. I guess we should just build a bigger wall and wait for the imminent beginning of the Great War against America.

Trump did reject that claim today. Ive also seen where Putin also rejected the White House peace deal (cease fire where the line of contract currently lies) and suggested the same surrender deal they gave last time (and while Z again rejected the Russian surrender deal, some sources are saying he agreed to the Trump cease fire in place deal). So essentially, at least some sources are saying Z agreed to Trumps terms and Putin rejected them (and it would seem thats probably the case because with that scenario----there's really no reason to have Z at the next Putin-Trump meeting). Hopefully, Trump gives Putin a "peace or the Tomahawks and Taurus missiles will start flying" ultimatum.

again, don't say it unless you mean it ... this isn't a bbs....

Which is why I think Trump messed up by not continuing to publicly move forward with the sale of Tomahawks last Friday (whether he intended to go through with the sale or not). By halting the progress for now----he basically showed weakness and handed control of the peace process back to Putin. The only thing I can figure is Trump still thinks he can lever Putin away from the Chinese alliance----because he thinks Putin can be our friend. Not only is Putin not our friend---but Putin actually NEEDS to undermine the American position in the world to reach his goal of a multi-polar world that includes a much expanded Russian Empire.

The Russians are actively at war now against the west. Cyber attacks and drone incursions are disrupting public services and travel and costing millions of dollars. Instigators are sowing unrest throughout the west. The Europeans may not be the best of allies but Russia is a sworn enemy of the west and will never be an ally of the west against China. We need someone on our side if the chit hits the fan no matter how globohomo or weak they are. Any ally is better than none.

I wonder if the Amazon outage yesterday was the Russians or Chinese. Lots of places out of service. Walmart was down for half a day a couple days ago.