(09-12-2025 09:41 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:31 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I hate you’re so blind to partisanship that you can’t see the issue of disenfranchised young males and the challenge social media presents in trying to raise them. This is not a partisan political issue. Its a parenting issue and these kids spend more time on their phones than they do connecting with others; and there are just as many examples of those co-opted by right wing hate as there are on the left… likely more.

Social media is a huge problem, you are correct there, but how can you not recognize the that the majority of this violence comes overwhelmingly from one side? It is irrefutably a liberal in the majority of these cases. So why do liberal youths (and adults) appear to be driven to violence far more often than conservatives by social media influence?

Because its not.
Dylann Roof was no liberal.
The kid in Buffalo who killed 10 black people at a supermarket was no liberal. The guy who torched Josh Shapiro’s home was no liberal. The group who tried to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer were not liberals. The guy who murdered the MN house speaker was not a liberal. There are plenty of examples of political extremism on the right; yet the root cause is usually the easy access to hate speech; and that’s what needs to be assessed.

You just named all of them going back 10 years. Now, name the number of trans and leftist shooters.

(09-12-2025 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Now that it’s confirmed he wasn’t an antifa super soldier are you guys going to chill out on the “we are at war with the left” rhetoric?

Also there’s been zero real factual evidence or confirmation of “trans messages” engraved onto the gun. People online and medi outlets want to sow further division.

Would you lefties just shut the hell up and sit down for a while? All you're doing is putting your feet in your mouths, over and over. We know you don't give a damn about Kirk being assassinated.

This you, literally like a couple minutes ago????

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Charlie said when people stop talking, that's when you have violence. Always forgive your enemies. Nothing disarms them so much.

That wasn't me saying it. That was the governor of Utah, quoting Charlie. He was talking too fast for me to type every word.

Next time, add quote marks.

Also, I get the feeling you were a supporter of Kirk's "teachings," right? So you don't agree with that part of it?

Quick, what were Kirk's teachings. I bet you won't answer.

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

Wow, that's cold, even for you. Some Christian nationalist talking head. Wow. Just wow. Did you cheer when you heard the news?

(09-12-2025 10:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

That’s a horrible post. Seriously.

YOU are also making some sizable assumptions yourself. But those assumptions are just fine, right?

Because the kid likes guns he’s a conservative?
Because his family may or may not be conservative makes him conservative?

When it all plays out we’ll see how your assumptions stack up.

That was possibly the coldest thing I've seen said here. I'm genuinely shocked.

(09-12-2025 05:40 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

Wow, that's cold, even for you. Some Christian nationalist talking head. Wow. Just wow. Did you cheer when you heard the news?

She always claims she’s a moderate….straight down the middle person

(09-12-2025 05:27 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Eliminating the left is the only way this country can be saved. The left is a cancer that needs to be eradicated.

Not helpful. You should probably take some time off like you said you were going to do.

(09-12-2025 10:26 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:17 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:09 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  22 year old Utah State engineering student. How does a kid from what on the surface appears to be a very normal middle class background turn into an assassin? Instead of investigating “left wing violence” what needs to be investigated is the impact of social media on white male teens… because this epidemic and disenfranchisement is rooted there and its not bound by political ideology. Utah State is an AG school in a very conservative state, its not some bastion of liberal ideology. Reviewing some of the social media links on Threads, his existence seemed very normal.

I feel terrible for his parents.

I feel terrible for Charlie Kirk and his family.

I also feel bad for people who don’t recognize the damage that liberal narratives project on people gullible enough to believe those narratives.

Additionally I feel bad for the victims of the selective racism of the left and the fact that they are arrogant enough to play the race card but choose to ignore the race who, percentage wise, is inflicting the most crime on the most people in this country.

I hate you’re so blind to partisanship that you can’t see the issue of disenfranchised young males and the challenge social media presents in trying to raise them. This is not a partisan political issue. Its a parenting issue and these kids spend more time on their phones than they do connecting with others; and there are just as many examples of those co-opted by right wing hate as there are on the left… likely more.

I hate that you changed your statement. In your original post, you said “white” male teens. You are a racist.

He did it after I called his ass out on it just a few posts ago. What the hell Marc, stand behind your grossly stated remarks.

(09-12-2025 10:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

I have 2 boys in their mid to early 20’s… both are good kids… were/are leaders in their fraternities and will hopefully transition into contributing fathers & citizens but as involved as we were as parents, it is scary how much they rely upon social media, and its influence. I cannot say it enough, social media is wreaking havoc on our children and its influence is worse now than ever. The guard rails were taken off deferring to “free speech” and it comes at a cost.

That is a statement with which I can agree. I still think you're a wuss for editing out your racist comment.

(09-12-2025 10:37 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:26 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:17 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:09 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  22 year old Utah State engineering student. How does a kid from what on the surface appears to be a very normal middle class background turn into an assassin? Instead of investigating “left wing violence” what needs to be investigated is the impact of social media on white male teens… because this epidemic and disenfranchisement is rooted there and its not bound by political ideology. Utah State is an AG school in a very conservative state, its not some bastion of liberal ideology. Reviewing some of the social media links on Threads, his existence seemed very normal.

I feel terrible for his parents.

I feel terrible for Charlie Kirk and his family.

I also feel bad for people who don’t recognize the damage that liberal narratives project on people gullible enough to believe those narratives.

Additionally I feel bad for the victims of the selective racism of the left and the fact that they are arrogant enough to play the race card but choose to ignore the race who, percentage wise, is inflicting the most crime on the most people in this country.

I hate you’re so blind to partisanship that you can’t see the issue of disenfranchised young males and the challenge social media presents in trying to raise them. This is not a partisan political issue. Its a parenting issue and these kids spend more time on their phones than they do connecting with others; and there are just as many examples of those co-opted by right wing hate as there are on the left… likely more.

I hate that you changed your statement. In your original post, you said “white” male teens. You are a racist.

This disenfranchisement is largely an issue with white males teens.
If that makes me a racist so be it.

It sure made you look like one, enough so that you edited that part out. Blacks and particularly black teen males have the franchise on disenfranchisement but no specific race is effected by it exclusively.

Your point isn't lost but if you want it to be taken as non-partisan then don't be a partisan hack by throwing down a race card.

(09-12-2025 10:38 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

That’s a horrible post. Seriously.

YOU are also making some sizable assumptions yourself. But those assumptions are just fine, right?

Because the kid likes guns he’s a conservative?
Because his family may or may not be conservative makes him conservative?

When it all plays out we’ll see how your assumptions stack up.

There are pictures of the kid wearing a Trump costume for Halloween.
His Dad is a LEO and a registerered republican in Utah.

I don't know why he decided to commit this heinous murder...but this is the world he was raised in.

This is the world the left has created for us. You're just too much of a partisan hack, like Marc, to see it.

(09-12-2025 05:43 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 05:40 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

Wow, that's cold, even for you. Some Christian nationalist talking head. Wow. Just wow. Did you cheer when you heard the news?

She always claims she’s a moderate….straight down the middle person

Yet, like a typical liberal, she comes over here and, in drive-by style, throws rocks in the crowd then angrily leaves after that very crowd calls her out.
It’s what libs do. And it’s disappointing. Typical but disappointing.

(09-12-2025 10:46 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  He once wore a Trump costume therefore he must be right wing and then talks about mental gymnastics. Unreal.

Back during the 2004 election I had a t-shirt made that said “Jihadists for John Kerry” and wore it with a turban, beard and robe. Went as Osama Bin Laden. Who knew that I was in fact a mooslim

touche'

(09-12-2025 10:57 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  The take-away from the presser is that an individual was radicalized into an anti-fascist ideology coordinated with organized individuals (antifa/DSA/ to be determined) for a drop off point, the shot, with distractions and decoys.

ANTIFA is a terrorists organization

So much for all the loons crying "it wasnt us!!!"

Shouldn't they be making another arrest? The person he called to pick up the gun. This tells me his friend knew about what was going to happen.

(09-12-2025 05:43 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 05:27 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Eliminating the left is the only way this country can be saved. The left is a cancer that needs to be eradicated.

Not helpful. You should probably take some time off like you said you were going to do.

Nope. I'm not going any f***ing where.

(09-12-2025 05:59 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 05:43 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 05:27 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Eliminating the left is the only way this country can be saved. The left is a cancer that needs to be eradicated.

Not helpful. You should probably take some time off like you said you were going to do.

Nope. I'm not going any f***ing where.

Yep. andybible's back, and better than ever.

(09-12-2025 05:51 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 05:43 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 05:40 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

Wow, that's cold, even for you. Some Christian nationalist talking head. Wow. Just wow. Did you cheer when you heard the news?

She always claims she’s a moderate….straight down the middle person

Yet, like a typical liberal, she comes over here and, in drive-by style, throws rocks in the crowd then angrily leaves after that very crowd calls her out.
It’s what libs do. And it’s disappointing. Typical but disappointing.

Sounds like someone else that comes around here from time to time. Your comment is spot on.

(09-12-2025 11:20 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:59 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:56 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:46 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  He once wore a Trump costume therefore he must be right wing and then talks about mental gymnastics. Unreal.

Back during the 2004 election I had a t-shirt made that said “Jihadists for John Kerry” and wore it with a turban, beard and robe. Went as Osama Bin Laden. Who knew that I was in fact a mooslim

The costume is just another point of note - no big "a-ha" moment.

Could the kid have swung to the other side of the pendulum after being raised by what appears to be very conservative parents? 100%.

But he was a 22-year-old white kid that was a sheriff’s son, and by all accounts had been a smart, good kid.
His college is an ag school in a conservative state - not a bastion of "liberal thought" that "brainwashed" him.

Are you drunk or under some kind of mind altering substance right now?

Nope; just responding to the PP about how the kid was radicalized because he went off to college. He received a presidential scholarship to Utah State - according to latest reports, he dropped out after one year, so no - I don't buy that going to college turned him into a killer.

antifa did that job for them.

(09-12-2025 11:58 AM)b2b Wrote:  There's basically no middle ground among Memphis fans that I can see. They seem to be intelligent, reasonable people or complete low IQ retards. What goes on there?

They screwed up the water. Older guys like me used to enjoy that remarkable, clean Artesian well water, it tastes like crap now.

(09-12-2025 12:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 11:59 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  The leftists here and the so-called moderates like Tigergreen are in denial that a kid can become radicalized into far-left ideology despite their alleged upbringing. That’s what radicalization means—- a sudden change and shift

No, we're not. What we are saying is that trying to act like people don't also get indoctrinated with far right-wing ideology, is disingenuous. You can manipulate a young mind into just about anything if you're evil enough to do it. And it happens on both sides.

It happens demonstrably more on your side, full stop. Take your whataboutism somewhere else.