(09-12-2025 10:37 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:26 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:17 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:09 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  22 year old Utah State engineering student. How does a kid from what on the surface appears to be a very normal middle class background turn into an assassin? Instead of investigating “left wing violence” what needs to be investigated is the impact of social media on white male teens… because this epidemic and disenfranchisement is rooted there and its not bound by political ideology. Utah State is an AG school in a very conservative state, its not some bastion of liberal ideology. Reviewing some of the social media links on Threads, his existence seemed very normal.

I feel terrible for his parents.

I feel terrible for Charlie Kirk and his family.

I also feel bad for people who don’t recognize the damage that liberal narratives project on people gullible enough to believe those narratives.

Additionally I feel bad for the victims of the selective racism of the left and the fact that they are arrogant enough to play the race card but choose to ignore the race who, percentage wise, is inflicting the most crime on the most people in this country.

I hate you’re so blind to partisanship that you can’t see the issue of disenfranchised young males and the challenge social media presents in trying to raise them. This is not a partisan political issue. Its a parenting issue and these kids spend more time on their phones than they do connecting with others; and there are just as many examples of those co-opted by right wing hate as there are on the left… likely more.

I hate that you changed your statement. In your original post, you said “white” male teens. You are a racist.

This disenfranchisement is largely an issue with white males teens.
If that makes me a racist so be it.

You clearly are, yes.

(09-12-2025 10:46 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  He once wore a Trump costume therefore he must be right wing and then talks about mental gymnastics. Unreal.

Back during the 2004 election I had a t-shirt made that said “Jihadists for John Kerry” and wore it with a turban, beard and robe. Went as Osama Bin Laden. Who knew that I was in fact a mooslim

The costume is just another point of note - no big "a-ha" moment.

Could the kid have swung to the other side of the pendulum after being raised by what appears to be very conservative parents? 100%.

But he was a 22-year-old white kid that was a sheriff’s son, and by all accounts had been a smart, good kid.
His college is an ag school in a conservative state - not a bastion of "liberal thought" that "brainwashed" him.

“Feel sorry for the parents” and “grew up constantly on social media” are two diametrically opposed comments that shouldn’t come from the same person.

I don’t care if the guy grew up jacking to Ronald Reagan or Castro. I care that a 31 year old man with a wife and 2’small children was murdered for trying to create robust, civil, debate on college campuses. Charlie let the left speak, he didn’t create echo chamber events. He never treated those with opposing views with disrespect, just verbal challenge.

The take-away from the presser is that an individual was radicalized into an anti-fascist ideology coordinated with organized individuals (antifa/DSA/ to be determined) for a drop off point, the shot, with distractions and decoys.

ANTIFA is a terrorists organization

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

Is the women in the picture his mom? If it is, she may not be a Mormon, or is a Mormon that is only somewhat or occasionally involved, as opposed to one who attends and practices regularly. Pretty easy to pick out.

Of course, I haven't seen reliable information on religion. I'm just guessing like the rest of you. But, having lived in Southern Utah near Washington County, I do have some clue about the local culture.

(09-12-2025 10:56 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:46 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  He once wore a Trump costume therefore he must be right wing and then talks about mental gymnastics. Unreal.

Back during the 2004 election I had a t-shirt made that said “Jihadists for John Kerry” and wore it with a turban, beard and robe. Went as Osama Bin Laden. Who knew that I was in fact a mooslim

The costume is just another point of note - no big "a-ha" moment.

Could the kid have swung to the other side of the pendulum after being raised by what appears to be very conservative parents? 100%.

But he was a 22-year-old white kid that was a sheriff’s son, and by all accounts had been a smart, good kid.
His college is an ag school in a conservative state - not a bastion of "liberal thought" that "brainwashed" him.

Are you drunk or under some kind of mind altering substance right now?

(09-12-2025 10:53 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:41 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:33 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

Radicalized by filth. Engraved rounds with prog filth buzzwords. Posts hate for Kirk on discord servers. . You really wanna go with being a religious bigot and slandering a man that just got murdered.

Not your best moment. Despicable

You should post this on your twitter account. Just admit you are happy he was murdered without the metal gymnastics

I'm never happy when someone gets murdered. Kirk's death was heinous, unjustifiable, and unnecessary. Doesn't change what world this kid came from. You can take all the seats with that nonsense.

Sit this one out. There’s report that he became more political and was radicalized into antifa/DSA groups. The warnings about sending your child off to college and they come back radicalize socialist Marxist is on full display apparently.

Could explain Bernie Sanders getting out in front of this.

(09-12-2025 10:48 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:41 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:33 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

Radicalized by filth. Engraved rounds with prog filth buzzwords. Posts hate for Kirk on discord servers. . You really wanna go with being a religious bigot and slandering a man that just got murdered.

Not your best moment. Despicable

You should post this on your twitter account. Just admit you are happy he was murdered without the metal gymnastics

I'm never happy when someone gets murdered. Kirk's death was heinous, unjustifiable, and unnecessary. Doesn't change what world this kid came from. You can take all the seats with that nonsense.

TG - your argument actually proves the opposite of its intent.

Let’s assume the kid was raised conservative. Clearly his recent actions prove he is not, in spite of his upbringing. Why? Because he was radicalized by leftist poisonous propaganda.

Come on TG.

No no. Let it continue.

I wanna hear this out.

Weve heard both sides do it, we need to come together its thr rhetoric, now he was a republican.

Not one post from the left saying calling people you disagree with hitler, fascist and a whole litany of insults, calling for resistance, rioting, looting burning cities should stop Defending absolute filth is endless. Rationalization endless.

Nah we get mornon republican kills right wing nationalist

They are who we thought they were. Damaged and totally propagandized

Charlie Kirk still doing work after his death

(09-12-2025 10:02 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Would you lefties just shut the hell up and sit down for a while? All you're doing is putting your feet in your mouths, over and over. We know you don't give a damn about Kirk being assassinated.

This you, literally like a couple minutes ago????

(09-12-2025 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Charlie said when people stop talking, that's when you have violence. Always forgive your enemies. Nothing disarms them so much.

That wasn't me saying it. That was the governor of Utah, quoting Charlie. He was talking too fast for me to type every word.

Next time, add quote marks.

Also, I get the feeling you were a supporter of Kirk's "teachings," right? So you don't agree with that part of it?

Kiss my butt. You couldn't understand that the words after "Charlie said" would be words from Charlie?

Next time, ask me if you don't understand, rather than misinterpreting me.

I never heard those words before I typed them. All I was trying to do was transcribe the presser as best as possible.

And as usual, you get stuff wrong. I'm not a supporter of Kirk, other than he's not a Dem whom I happen to disagree with politically. I know very little about him, actually, other than he talks to young people. Not my crowd, lol.

As for the quote, I haven't given it a single thought. After I think about it, I might get back to you, but giving me orders usually isn't the smartest way to get me to answer you.

It wasn't an "order." I was just trying to indicate that adding in quotes for what you want to be attributed and to whom you're quoting removes any doubt.

Apologies for the confusion on my part.

(09-12-2025 10:31 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  I found it interesting they said the assasin's minister was part of law enforcement.

many ministers do chaplain work for police/sheriff

I wouldnt be surprised if that is the connection

(09-12-2025 10:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The guard rails were taken off deferring to “free speech” and it comes at a cost.

I think a lot of that comes with fear

Neither side trusts the other to fairly regulate speech when in power; therefore we are a a state of anything goes as that is the only way both sides can be appeased

See he was radicalized into ANTIFA/DSA….even was on their discord. A kid growing up in a “alleged” conservative family (we don’t know if that’s true) or community can be turned into a radical left winger

(09-12-2025 11:14 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  See he was radicalized into ANTIFA/DSA….even was on their discord. A kid growing up in a “alleged” conservative family (we don’t know if that’s true) or community can be turned into a radical left winger

Of course this will be lost on the left because it doesn't fit their narrative that all Trump supporters are evil and need to be killed.

(09-12-2025 10:59 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:56 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:46 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  He once wore a Trump costume therefore he must be right wing and then talks about mental gymnastics. Unreal.

Back during the 2004 election I had a t-shirt made that said “Jihadists for John Kerry” and wore it with a turban, beard and robe. Went as Osama Bin Laden. Who knew that I was in fact a mooslim

The costume is just another point of note - no big "a-ha" moment.

Could the kid have swung to the other side of the pendulum after being raised by what appears to be very conservative parents? 100%.

But he was a 22-year-old white kid that was a sheriff’s son, and by all accounts had been a smart, good kid.
His college is an ag school in a conservative state - not a bastion of "liberal thought" that "brainwashed" him.

Are you drunk or under some kind of mind altering substance right now?

Nope; just responding to the PP about how the kid was radicalized because he went off to college. He received a presidential scholarship to Utah State - according to latest reports, he dropped out after one year, so no - I don't buy that going to college turned him into a killer.

The radical left is already spiking the football on social media saying this guy was a conservative, republican. The talking points are coming out from the usual outfits like Occupy Democrat and the like.

So, the lefty-logic is that since he's white, from Utah, and had a father that's a cop...then he's a conservative? Am I getting that right?

(09-12-2025 10:55 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:21 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  So a kid from a Mormon (at least his mom is mormon, sounds like), Republican family kills a Christian nationalist talking head.
I'm sure they will continue to blame THE LEFT but it will take some serious mental gymnastics to get there.

I have 2 boys in their mid to early 20’s… both are good kids… were/are leaders in their fraternities and will hopefully transition into contributing fathers & citizens but as involved as we were as parents, it is scary how much they rely upon social media, and its influence. I cannot say it enough, social media is wreaking havoc on our children and its influence is worse now than ever. The guard rails were taken off deferring to “free speech” and it comes at a cost.

Marc
Both of my kids are similar in age to yours. BOTH immediately contacted me when Charlie was shot. My son sent me the video showing his neck getting blown out. I told him Charlie was dead within seconds of the shot. I have talked to both of them multiple times in the past 2 days about it. My kids contact me to verify things they see/read on social media all the time. If you aren't involved more (I'm not saying you aren't) with them and give them facts about things, then yes Social Media will continue to be their source for what they THINK they know. I'm in my mid 50s and I still talk to my mom about things now that my dad died last year. Be more involved and social media will not be their God.

I speak to both daily. I’m fortunate, at their age, they still check in to let me know what they’re up to, what they captured on the trail cam, or what band they discovered; but that being said, these kids are still trying to figure things out and they have far more interference than we ever did.

(09-12-2025 11:27 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  So, the lefty-logic is that since he's white, from Utah, and had a father that's a cop...then he's a conservative? Am I getting that right?

Yes


They really are stupid people

(09-12-2025 11:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 11:27 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  So, the lefty-logic is that since he's white, from Utah, and had a father that's a cop...then he's a conservative? Am I getting that right?

Yes


They really are stupid people

Just wow. I mean, it's hard to have a legitimate discussion with people so dumb.

(09-12-2025 11:20 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:59 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:56 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:46 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-12-2025 10:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  He once wore a Trump costume therefore he must be right wing and then talks about mental gymnastics. Unreal.

Back during the 2004 election I had a t-shirt made that said “Jihadists for John Kerry” and wore it with a turban, beard and robe. Went as Osama Bin Laden. Who knew that I was in fact a mooslim

The costume is just another point of note - no big "a-ha" moment.

Could the kid have swung to the other side of the pendulum after being raised by what appears to be very conservative parents? 100%.

But he was a 22-year-old white kid that was a sheriff’s son, and by all accounts had been a smart, good kid.
His college is an ag school in a conservative state - not a bastion of "liberal thought" that "brainwashed" him.

Are you drunk or under some kind of mind altering substance right now?

Nope; just responding to the PP about how the kid was radicalized because he went off to college. He received a presidential scholarship to Utah State - according to latest reports, he dropped out after one year, so no - I don't buy that going to college turned him into a killer.

K. Didnt expect it to