Rest assured Trump doesn’t care what any of you think.

(09-02-2025 01:25 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Rest assured Trump doesn’t care what any of you think.

Really? Ya think so? Damn, I was under the impression that he read this board every day. Man what a let down.

(09-02-2025 01:40 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 01:25 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Rest assured Trump doesn’t care what any of you think.

Really? Ya think so? Damn, I was under the impression that he read this board every day. Man what a let down.

Putin doesn't either.

(09-02-2025 10:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Who cares? Does it really matter if Trump looks bad? He's trying to stop the killing, the only pure heart in the fight.

Nobody is going to stop Putin until he's dead. Sanctions can be gotten around.

And if we invaded Moscow and took him out, the next guy might be the same or worse. The Russians don't have a good track record.

It does matter how Trump looks on the world stage just like it mattered that Biden was a brain rotted addled idiot who other countries seized the moment

I really am not so much concerned that Trump engages with a known liar like Putin any longer.

Trump should say publicly so everyone can hear I’m tired of your bullsh!t and mind games.

I’ll give you one more chance but anything we discussed favorable to you is now off the table.

I will no longer allow any restrictions to be used on weapons we sell. And we have the best weapons in the world. It’s not even close.

These weapons will do damage to you the likes that has never been seen before like ever

IOW I’m done with appeasing an ingrate.

At the very least, it allows others to see strength

(09-02-2025 01:50 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 10:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Who cares? Does it really matter if Trump looks bad? He's trying to stop the killing, the only pure heart in the fight.

Nobody is going to stop Putin until he's dead. Sanctions can be gotten around.

And if we invaded Moscow and took him out, the next guy might be the same or worse. The Russians don't have a good track record.

It does matter how Trump looks on the world stage just like it mattered that Biden was a brain rotted addled idiot who other countries seized the moment

I really am not so much concerned that Trump engages with a known liar like Putin any longer.

Trump should say publicly so everyone can hear I’m tired of your bullsh!t and mind games.

I’ll give you one more chance but anything we discussed favorable to you is now off the table.

I will no longer allow any restrictions to be used on weapons we sell. And we have the best weapons in the world. It’s not even close.

These weapons will do damage to you the likes that has never been seen before like ever

IOW I’m done with appeasing an ingrate.

At the very least, it allows others to see strength

I wouldnt worry too much about how Trump deals with Putin. Go back and read my post 242. The truth is---we really dont know what is going on behind the scenes and it may be that he's turning up the pressure on Putin---but believes doing it in public in a way that might embarrass Putin is too likely to be counterproductive. Lets remember---Trump wanted gas prices to come down and pushed the Ukrainian to avoid strikes on Russian oil production facilities. Now the Ukrainians are hammering Russian refineries and Trumps reaction was to sell the Europeans 3500 long range missiles he knows are going to end up in the hands of Ukraine.

Germany basically fell 12 months after the Allied bombing campaign began targeting the Nazi oil infrastructure. Ukraine's abilities are far from what the Allies were doing in WWII----but in just a month or two they have already reduced Russian refining capacity by 17%. Shortagers are already hampering parts of occupied Ukraine and areas INSIDE of Russia. Ukraine isnt going to topple Russia, but I suspect if they can continue to be this effective and further grind down the Russian refining capacity over the next few months-----the resulting economic effects of the fuel squeeze might make the negotiating table look far more attractive to Putin (which Im guessing is Trump's game plan---"let 'em fight it out a while longer").

^^ This.

(09-02-2025 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 01:50 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 10:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Who cares? Does it really matter if Trump looks bad? He's trying to stop the killing, the only pure heart in the fight.

Nobody is going to stop Putin until he's dead. Sanctions can be gotten around.

And if we invaded Moscow and took him out, the next guy might be the same or worse. The Russians don't have a good track record.

It does matter how Trump looks on the world stage just like it mattered that Biden was a brain rotted addled idiot who other countries seized the moment

I really am not so much concerned that Trump engages with a known liar like Putin any longer.

Trump should say publicly so everyone can hear I’m tired of your bullsh!t and mind games.

I’ll give you one more chance but anything we discussed favorable to you is now off the table.

I will no longer allow any restrictions to be used on weapons we sell. And we have the best weapons in the world. It’s not even close.

These weapons will do damage to you the likes that has never been seen before like ever

IOW I’m done with appeasing an ingrate.

At the very least, it allows others to see strength

I wouldnt worry too much about how Trump deals with Putin. Go back and read my post 242. The truth is---we really dont know what is going on behind the scenes and it may be that he's turning up the pressure on Putin---but believes doing it in public in a way that might embarrass Putin is too likely to be counterproductive. Lets remember---Trump wanted gas prices to come down and pushed the Ukrainian to avoid strikes on Russian oil production facilities. Now the Ukrainians are hammering Russian refineries and Trumps reaction was to sell the Europeans 3500 long range missiles he knows are going to end up in the hands of Ukraine.

Germany basically fell 12 months after the Allied bombing campaign began targeting the Nazi oil infrastructure. Ukraine's abilities are far from what the Allies were doing in WWII----but in just a month or two they have already reduced Russian refining capacity by 17%. Shortagers are already hampering parts of occupied Ukraine and areas INSIDE of Russia. Ukraine isnt going to topple Russia, but I suspect if they can continue to be this effective and further grind down the Russian refining capacity over the next few months-----the resulting economic effects of the fuel squeeze might make the negotiating table look far more attractive to Putin (which I suspect is Trump game plan---"let 'em fight it out a while longer").

Days a matter of days

Right?

Loons

(09-02-2025 03:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 01:50 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 10:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Who cares? Does it really matter if Trump looks bad? He's trying to stop the killing, the only pure heart in the fight.

Nobody is going to stop Putin until he's dead. Sanctions can be gotten around.

And if we invaded Moscow and took him out, the next guy might be the same or worse. The Russians don't have a good track record.

It does matter how Trump looks on the world stage just like it mattered that Biden was a brain rotted addled idiot who other countries seized the moment

I really am not so much concerned that Trump engages with a known liar like Putin any longer.

Trump should say publicly so everyone can hear I’m tired of your bullsh!t and mind games.

I’ll give you one more chance but anything we discussed favorable to you is now off the table.

I will no longer allow any restrictions to be used on weapons we sell. And we have the best weapons in the world. It’s not even close.

These weapons will do damage to you the likes that has never been seen before like ever

IOW I’m done with appeasing an ingrate.

At the very least, it allows others to see strength

I wouldnt worry too much about how Trump deals with Putin. Go back and read my post 242. The truth is---we really dont know what is going on behind the scenes and it may be that he's turning up the pressure on Putin---but believes doing it in public in a way that might embarrass Putin is too likely to be counterproductive. Lets remember---Trump wanted gas prices to come down and pushed the Ukrainian to avoid strikes on Russian oil production facilities. Now the Ukrainians are hammering Russian refineries and Trumps reaction was to sell the Europeans 3500 long range missiles he knows are going to end up in the hands of Ukraine.

Germany basically fell 12 months after the Allied bombing campaign began targeting the Nazi oil infrastructure. Ukraine's abilities are far from what the Allies were doing in WWII----but in just a month or two they have already reduced Russian refining capacity by 17%. Shortagers are already hampering parts of occupied Ukraine and areas INSIDE of Russia. Ukraine isnt going to topple Russia, but I suspect if they can continue to be this effective and further grind down the Russian refining capacity over the next few months-----the resulting economic effects of the fuel squeeze might make the negotiating table look far more attractive to Putin (which I suspect is Trump game plan---"let 'em fight it out a while longer").

Days a matter of days

Right?

Loons

Never said that. What Ive said since 2022 is neither side appears capable of getting what they want on the battlefield. The only hope of a quick end is if Trump can convince both sides that a reasonable negotiated settlement is the best option. I do think pounding the refineries MIGHT get Putin to be more willing to accept a reasonable settlement both sides can live with. We will have to wait and see what happens.

I enjoy reading the posts regarding this topic from WSME, Attackcoop, Tanq and bullet. I share their views.

As to the bosomy bombshell known as Sydney Sweeney ... Uncle Dazzy simply admires the lovely lass from afar, knowing his days of charming the ladies are over and being content to spend Saturday nights drinking beer solo whilst reading the musings of you lads on this electronic message board.

Oh my, you said tanq. If he shows up now we'll all blame you.

(09-02-2025 03:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 01:50 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-02-2025 10:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Who cares? Does it really matter if Trump looks bad? He's trying to stop the killing, the only pure heart in the fight.

Nobody is going to stop Putin until he's dead. Sanctions can be gotten around.

And if we invaded Moscow and took him out, the next guy might be the same or worse. The Russians don't have a good track record.

It does matter how Trump looks on the world stage just like it mattered that Biden was a brain rotted addled idiot who other countries seized the moment

I really am not so much concerned that Trump engages with a known liar like Putin any longer.

Trump should say publicly so everyone can hear I’m tired of your bullsh!t and mind games.

I’ll give you one more chance but anything we discussed favorable to you is now off the table.

I will no longer allow any restrictions to be used on weapons we sell. And we have the best weapons in the world. It’s not even close.

These weapons will do damage to you the likes that has never been seen before like ever

IOW I’m done with appeasing an ingrate.

At the very least, it allows others to see strength

I wouldnt worry too much about how Trump deals with Putin. Go back and read my post 242. The truth is---we really dont know what is going on behind the scenes and it may be that he's turning up the pressure on Putin---but believes doing it in public in a way that might embarrass Putin is too likely to be counterproductive. Lets remember---Trump wanted gas prices to come down and pushed the Ukrainian to avoid strikes on Russian oil production facilities. Now the Ukrainians are hammering Russian refineries and Trumps reaction was to sell the Europeans 3500 long range missiles he knows are going to end up in the hands of Ukraine.

Germany basically fell 12 months after the Allied bombing campaign began targeting the Nazi oil infrastructure. Ukraine's abilities are far from what the Allies were doing in WWII----but in just a month or two they have already reduced Russian refining capacity by 17%. Shortagers are already hampering parts of occupied Ukraine and areas INSIDE of Russia. Ukraine isnt going to topple Russia, but I suspect if they can continue to be this effective and further grind down the Russian refining capacity over the next few months-----the resulting economic effects of the fuel squeeze might make the negotiating table look far more attractive to Putin (which I suspect is Trump game plan---"let 'em fight it out a while longer").

Days a matter of days

Right?

Loons

Well you did say Russia would roll over Ukraine in a week. And maybe we all thought so. Didn’t happen. But yeah, you’ve been right all along.

It might be days. Things like that happen fast sometimes. Remember the collapse of the original Evil Empire, as Ronaldo Maximus used to call them. Maybe Trump should review Reagan’s dealings with the old Evil Empire. He may learn something.

(09-02-2025 07:13 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Oh my, you said tanq. If he shows up now we'll all blame you.

Based on how you post (seemingly not doing so via the "reply" option), I sometimes struggle to know with certainty if your posts that follow mine are specifically addressing my posts, BTF.

I will attempt to respond if I know with certainty.

Well, you did say "tanq".

(09-03-2025 08:24 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well, you did say "tanq".

I did, indeed (again, I assume you are addressing me).

I don't know much about him. Something about howler monkeys. I assume he is a lefty.

(09-03-2025 08:27 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 08:24 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well, you did say "tanq".

I did, indeed (again, I assume you are addressing me).

I don't know much about him. Something about howler monkeys. I assume he is a lefty.

No. Much like almost all the "lefties" here, he's an "independent".

I'm a proud howler monkey by the way.

(09-03-2025 08:27 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 08:24 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well, you did say "tanq".

I did, indeed (again, I assume you are addressing me).

I don't know much about him. Something about howler monkeys. I assume he is a lefty.

Not a lefty. To these cheeseheads I am.

(09-03-2025 08:37 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 08:27 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 08:24 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well, you did say "tanq".

I did, indeed (again, I assume you are addressing me).

I don't know much about him. Something about howler monkeys. I assume he is a lefty.

Not a lefty. To these cheeseheads I am.

I don't think you're a lefty. I think some other things about you, but not that. Oh, and I'm not from Wisconsin, thanks.

See bill? All your fault.

(09-03-2025 08:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  See bill? All your fault.

At least it’s not mine…..

(09-03-2025 08:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 08:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  See bill? All your fault.

At least it’s not mine…..

I just haven’t got around to you yet.