(06-22-2025 08:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  John Yoo said on Levin tonight that all this uproar about Trump needing Congress to declare war, is ridiculous.

He said the United States has declared war exactly 5 times in its history, yet it has initiated deadly force through military action over 100 times.

What is the difference?

Declaring war is actually a formal legal document that defines the current relationship between two countries. Congress does that.

Initiating military action is what a US President does when he deems it crucial to protect national security, which is his job under the Constitution.

Obama bombed Libya and he bypassed Congress. But, it's only ok when Democrats do it.

I can't imagine any American having sympathy for Iran and Palestine, but here we are. TDS is real, and the two clowns in this thread need to stop getting their world news, foreign policy views and military expertise from Reddit, because they are ALL wrong.

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

I think troops end up over there somehow

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(06-22-2025 08:32 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  I can't imagine any American having sympathy for Iran and Palestine, but here we are. TDS is real, and the two clowns in this thread need to stop getting their world news, foreign policy views and military expertise from Reddit, because they are ALL wrong.

Its comical because that's exactly what they do. They go to Reddit or something similar and copy paste what they think its the "smartest" point they can find and then paste it here. And within minutes its ripped apart by basic common sense and exposed for the stupidity and historic ignorance of it.

Because its borrowed from a far left Marxist echo chamber, they never realize how stupid it sounds until it gets put under the light of day (TDS-free common sense).

(06-22-2025 09:14 PM)b2b Wrote:  I think troops end up over there somehow

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Trump will never engage in a ground war there or any kind of occupation/nation building.

It would be akin to him coming out as a globalist anti-nationalist tomorrow.

These are his most deeply held core values and have been for years.

(06-22-2025 06:20 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 07:47 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  CBS just can’t help themselves. At 9 I turned on the tube to see what statement Trump was going to make. Before Trump could even speak the broadcaster same one in the biased debate said the US had entered the war and bombed Iran in support of Israel.

Is that not what happened though?

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Absolutely NOT! We did not enter the war to support Israel.

We held negotiations with Iran. Once the talks broke down Trump followed through on his statement that Iran WILL NOT have Nuclear Weapons.

In no way were we coming to the aid of Israelis and in no way does this mean we are in a combat situation with Iran.

yeah OK

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(06-22-2025 09:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:14 PM)b2b Wrote:  I think troops end up over there somehow

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Trump will never engage in a ground war there or any kind of occupation/nation building.

It would be akin to him coming out as a globalist anti-nationalist tomorrow.

These are his most deeply held core values and have been for years.

I think it may be his #1 hard core value. Nothing else is close. His biggest issue is people dying in a war.

(06-22-2025 09:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:14 PM)b2b Wrote:  I think troops end up over there somehow

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Trump will never engage in a ground war there or any kind of occupation/nation building.

It would be akin to him coming out as a globalist anti-nationalist tomorrow.

These are his most deeply held core values and have been for years.

I think it may be his #1 hard core value. Nothing else is close. His biggest issue is people dying in a war.

I agree.

He also understands there would be literally nothing to gain by doing that and eveything to lose. It just wouldn't make any sense on any level.

As he has said over and over, we have no interest in regime change or nation building. Zero.

They can be sanctioned into oblivion now. No reason for a hot war.

A fact I didn't know, there are no Wal Marts in Iran.


Only Targets. *drum roll*

(06-22-2025 10:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

I suspect this is a true story.

(06-22-2025 10:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  A fact I didn't know, there are no Wal Marts in Iran.


Only Targets. *drum roll*

I'll be here all week. Try the veal on Tuesday.

Quote:SCOTT JENNINGS NAILS IT: "Look what happened. The deception that was involved here, no leaks, the resolve, the precision, execution. We have a commander in chief right now who is decisive and who knows how to operate a government and operate a military operation with absolute precision."

"Donald Trump has been clear-eyed and full of resolve about the Iranian threat for 20 years. He has always said, you can't have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon."

"I would also say that my observations of him over the last few months are that things are running quite smoothly over in the White House and at the Pentagon."

"The level of deterrence that this will put throughout the world that our enemy should be perceiving is very, very high. This is a great day for this president and it's a great day for the world because he's making us safe - for Western civilization."

Oh good, more bombing runs.

(06-22-2025 10:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  A fact I didn't know, there are no Wal Marts in Iran.


Only Targets. *drum roll*

Well played, sir. lol

(06-22-2025 10:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

Quote:SCOTT JENNINGS NAILS IT: "Look what happened. The deception that was involved here, no leaks, the resolve, the precision, execution. We have a commander in chief right now who is decisive and who knows how to operate a government and operate a military operation with absolute precision."

"Donald Trump has been clear-eyed and full of resolve about the Iranian threat for 20 years. He has always said, you can't have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon."

"I would also say that my observations of him over the last few months are that things are running quite smoothly over in the White House and at the Pentagon."

"The level of deterrence that this will put throughout the world that our enemy should be perceiving is very, very high. This is a great day for this president and it's a great day for the world because he's making us safe - for Western civilization."

LOL

The liberals at that table...