(05-19-2025 02:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  We won't know if these tactics are LEGAL until the court makes that determination. Some VERY SMART people are challenging YOUR interpretation (obviously shared by others)

Every time we have a lawyer who says he knows what the law says/means, there is another one on the other side of the courtroom who thinks the opposite.

Quote: It's like arguing with a stereotypical Aggie student about whether A&M or UT is better.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/liv...rcna208435

(05-19-2025 04:05 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-19-2025 02:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  We won't know if these tactics are LEGAL until the court makes that determination. Some VERY SMART people are challenging YOUR interpretation (obviously shared by others)

Every time we have a lawyer who says he knows what the law says/means, there is another one on the other side of the courtroom who thinks the opposite.

And that's exactly my point.

Whenever someone wants to do something they think is right but someone else thinks is wrong.... especially if it is something 'new' or in response to something 'new'.... and that goes to almost anything.... like ghost guns or autonomous cars ot whether or not Twitter is 'the public square' or 'corporations' are people for the purposes of a campaign donations... they will hire lawyers and they will dig though laws and find ways to interpret the law to make their argument true. The other side will do the exact opposite.... and they present their case and it often goes up a food chain of judgement... and sometimes issues that weren't even thought of at the outset come into play and on occassion become the fulcrum of a final determination.

And while we can all have our opinions... NONE of them really mean anything.

I therefore am not really interested in debating on here 'what the law says'.... since the law REALLY only says what OTHER people decide it says...

I'm only really interested in right and wrong... and I hope that what we SHOULD be agreeing is 'right' is ultimately what happens.

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Saw bits of an interview with the two Senators from Pennsylvania... John Fetterman (d) and a Republican... discussing anti-semitism on college campuses....

and they were very much aligned... in that there are 'non-students' setting up encamplments on college campuses and stirring up rallys that often turn into riots and go (in the words of one of them... can't remember which) go WAY beyond 'free speech' and into actual threats of and sometimes acts of violence...especially against Jewish Students.... things they witnessed themselves.... They spoke of Harvard and Columbia specifically.

So... are they lying? While everyone has their unique perspective, MY guess is tht they are not... so while it may not be a legal slam dunk of 'hate speech' or 'assault' or 'menacing' or whatever other legal words we use to describe that kind of violence...it is not REMOTELY unreasonable to think that the Universities need to crack down more... especially on the encamplments.... AND on ANY student involved in 'menacing' other students.... and if they are here on a visa, that such a visa should be rescinded.... as the visa is a privelege, not a right... just as a scholarship might be rescinded for something that violated school policy, but didn't violate the law. It may also violate 'governmental' policy... though it may not break a law.

(06-02-2025 07:48 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Saw bits of an interview with the two Senators from Pennsylvania... John Fetterman (d) and a Republican... discussing anti-semitism on college campuses....

and they were very much aligned... in that there are 'non-students' setting up encamplments on college campuses and stirring up rallys that often turn into riots and go (in the words of one of them... can't remember which) go WAY beyond 'free speech' and into actual threats of and sometimes acts of violence...especially against Jewish Students.... things they witnessed themselves.... They spoke of Harvard and Columbia specifically.

So... are they lying? While everyone has their unique perspective, MY guess is tht they are not... so while it may not be a legal slam dunk of 'hate speech' or 'assault' or 'menacing' or whatever other legal words we use to describe that kind of violence...it is not REMOTELY unreasonable to think that the Universities need to crack down more... especially on the encamplments.... AND on ANY student involved in 'menacing' other students.... and if they are here on a visa, that such a visa should be rescinded.... as the visa is a privelege, not a right... just as a scholarship might be rescinded for something that violated school policy, but didn't violate the law. It may also violate 'governmental' policy... though it may not break a law.

I don’t think any reasonable person would disagree that an international student should have their visa rescinded if they are found to have been found to have assaulted another student. But participating in a protest or writing an op-ed? Different story.

(06-02-2025 07:48 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Saw bits of an interview with the two Senators from Pennsylvania... John Fetterman (d) and a Republican... discussing anti-semitism on college campuses....

and they were very much aligned... in that there are 'non-students' setting up encamplments on college campuses and stirring up rallys that often turn into riots and go (in the words of one of them... can't remember which) go WAY beyond 'free speech' and into actual threats of and sometimes acts of violence...especially against Jewish Students.... things they witnessed themselves.... They spoke of Harvard and Columbia specifically.

So... are they lying? While everyone has their unique perspective, MY guess is tht they are not... so while it may not be a legal slam dunk of 'hate speech' or 'assault' or 'menacing' or whatever other legal words we use to describe that kind of violence...it is not REMOTELY unreasonable to think that the Universities need to crack down more... especially on the encamplments.... AND on ANY student involved in 'menacing' other students.... and if they are here on a visa, that such a visa should be rescinded.... as the visa is a privelege, not a right... just as a scholarship might be rescinded for something that violated school policy, but didn't violate the law. It may also violate 'governmental' policy... though it may not break a law.

Saw a bit of that too. Boy, was I wrong about Fetterman. I thought he was a standard liberal, but he has turned out to be more thoughtful and independent. One of two or three Dems who could get my consideration for Prez. Of course, that also means he has zero chance of being nominated.

I bet you guys are enjoying the Gazans getting gunned down at the food sites. Seems like the kind of thing that makes you tingle.

(06-03-2025 11:55 AM)InterestedX Wrote:  I bet you guys are enjoying the Gazans getting gunned down at the food sites. Seems like the kind of thing that makes you tingle.

What a disgusting comment!

Video shows it was masked armed gunman shooting civilians not Israeli forces

(06-03-2025 11:55 AM)InterestedX Wrote:  I bet you guys are enjoying the Gazans getting gunned down at the food sites. Seems like the kind of thing that makes you tingle.

Seems like the kind of thing that is not actually happening.

(06-03-2025 11:55 AM)InterestedX Wrote:  I bet you guys are enjoying the Gazans getting gunned down at the food sites. Seems like the kind of thing that makes you tingle.

A) as others have said... what a disgusting suggestion.
2) as others have said... doesn't seem to be an accurate description of what happened... like AT ALL.

and D) I'm kind of amazed that the left and liberal media runs such 'hard cover' for HAMAS like this. I can't count how many times Hamas has made claims like this that are so disconnected from reality as to be tragically laughable... like we literally have video at the 'food site' that proves beyond any doubt that it wasn't the case... but you guys are SO READY AND WILLING to accept whatever drivel HAMAS throws at you as fact... making you look SO foolish.

The problem is, when Israel actually DOES do something bad, you will have aided in giving them cover with all the lies. It was reported (and may not be true) that HAMAS was so willing to bet on you guys swallowing their lies that they 're-listed' as 'among the dead' people they had previously listed in OTHER claims. That may not be true... but given the reality of the constant lies, it's hard not to at least be suspicious. Just demonstrating the risk of constantly taking 'reports' that turn out to be inaccurate.

This is Jake Tapper telling Laura Trump that claims about Biden's 'slipping' were ridiculous level of stupid on the part of media.

They hide now behind the idea that if you read what they actually wrote... they say (paraphrasing of course) Dozens of people are dead according to local sources. Israel admits firing 'near' distribution centers. They don't tell you that the 'local sources' are HAMAS affiliates and their claims can't be confirmed... and that when Israel admitting firing NEAR them, they categorically denied the allegations. You REALLY have to dig or listen to hours of reports to actually get the story.

REAL investigative reporting would be much more suspicious... and seek confirmation... and if they couldn't get it... they would make it clear that they don't know what happened... and not weave the headlines and story to give a much more salacious possibility.

It's morbid entertainment... not News.

(06-03-2025 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-03-2025 11:55 AM)InterestedX Wrote:  I bet you guys are enjoying the Gazans getting gunned down at the food sites. Seems like the kind of thing that makes you tingle.

A) as others have said... what a disgusting suggestion.
2) as others have said... doesn't seem to be an accurate description of what happened... like AT ALL.

and D) I'm kind of amazed that the left and liberal media runs such 'hard cover' for HAMAS like this. I can't count how many times Hamas has made claims like this that are so disconnected from reality as to be tragically laughable... like we literally have video at the 'food site' that proves beyond any doubt that it wasn't the case... but you guys are SO READY AND WILLING to accept whatever drivel HAMAS throws at you as fact... making you look SO foolish.

The problem is, when Israel actually DOES do something bad, you will have aided in giving them cover with all the lies. It was reported (and may not be true) that HAMAS was so willing to bet on you guys swallowing their lies that they 're-listed' as 'among the dead' people they had previously listed in OTHER claims. That may not be true... but given the reality of the constant lies, it's hard not to at least be suspicious. Just demonstrating the risk of constantly taking 'reports' that turn out to be inaccurate.

This is Jake Tapper telling Laura Trump that claims about Biden's 'slipping' were ridiculous level of stupid on the part of media.

They hide now behind the idea that if you read what they actually wrote... they say (paraphrasing of course) Dozens of people are dead according to local sources. Israel admits firing 'near' distribution centers. They don't tell you that the 'local sources' are HAMAS affiliates and their claims can't be confirmed... and that when Israel admitting firing NEAR them, they categorically denied the allegations. You REALLY have to dig or listen to hours of reports to actually get the story.

REAL investigative reporting would be much more suspicious... and seek confirmation... and if they couldn't get it... they would make it clear that they don't know what happened... and not weave the headlines and story to give a much more salacious possibility.

It's morbid entertainment... not News.

Are you talking about the recent report of Israeli troops firing on civilians that has been reported on by an aid organization and which the Israeli military has acknowledged tacitly (they have acknowledged firing warning shots, firing targeted shots, and that there were casualties)

Dozens reported killed as Israel acknowledges troops opened fire near Gaza food point

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/03/nx-s1-542...food-point

I am continually amazed by the people who hate Trump so much they will support Hamas.

We have Palestinian supporters attacking people, burning American flags, burning buildings, murdering people and now burning American citizens. All that... and all their support is from the left.

All Hamas has to do to provide relief for Gazans is to release the remaining hostages they kidnapped when they did their murderous surprise raid into Israel. They won't. Nothing in it for them. Not Israel's fault. Not Trump's fault. Just the murdering rapist's fault.

(06-03-2025 06:22 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2025 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-03-2025 11:55 AM)InterestedX Wrote:  I bet you guys are enjoying the Gazans getting gunned down at the food sites. Seems like the kind of thing that makes you tingle.

A) as others have said... what a disgusting suggestion.
2) as others have said... doesn't seem to be an accurate description of what happened... like AT ALL.

and D) I'm kind of amazed that the left and liberal media runs such 'hard cover' for HAMAS like this. I can't count how many times Hamas has made claims like this that are so disconnected from reality as to be tragically laughable... like we literally have video at the 'food site' that proves beyond any doubt that it wasn't the case... but you guys are SO READY AND WILLING to accept whatever drivel HAMAS throws at you as fact... making you look SO foolish.

The problem is, when Israel actually DOES do something bad, you will have aided in giving them cover with all the lies. It was reported (and may not be true) that HAMAS was so willing to bet on you guys swallowing their lies that they 're-listed' as 'among the dead' people they had previously listed in OTHER claims. That may not be true... but given the reality of the constant lies, it's hard not to at least be suspicious. Just demonstrating the risk of constantly taking 'reports' that turn out to be inaccurate.

This is Jake Tapper telling Laura Trump that claims about Biden's 'slipping' were ridiculous level of stupid on the part of media.

They hide now behind the idea that if you read what they actually wrote... they say (paraphrasing of course) Dozens of people are dead according to local sources. Israel admits firing 'near' distribution centers. They don't tell you that the 'local sources' are HAMAS affiliates and their claims can't be confirmed... and that when Israel admitting firing NEAR them, they categorically denied the allegations. You REALLY have to dig or listen to hours of reports to actually get the story.

REAL investigative reporting would be much more suspicious... and seek confirmation... and if they couldn't get it... they would make it clear that they don't know what happened... and not weave the headlines and story to give a much more salacious possibility.

It's morbid entertainment... not News.

Are you talking about the recent report of Israeli troops firing on civilians that has been reported on by an aid organization and which the Israeli military has acknowledged tacitly (they have acknowledged firing warning shots, firing targeted shots, and that there were casualties)

Dozens reported killed as Israel acknowledges troops opened fire near Gaza food point

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/03/nx-s1-542...food-point

Yes, that’s the erroneous reporting. NPR repeating the lies. Check the video.

(06-03-2025 06:27 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(06-03-2025 06:22 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2025 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-03-2025 11:55 AM)InterestedX Wrote:  I bet you guys are enjoying the Gazans getting gunned down at the food sites. Seems like the kind of thing that makes you tingle.

A) as others have said... what a disgusting suggestion.
2) as others have said... doesn't seem to be an accurate description of what happened... like AT ALL.

and D) I'm kind of amazed that the left and liberal media runs such 'hard cover' for HAMAS like this. I can't count how many times Hamas has made claims like this that are so disconnected from reality as to be tragically laughable... like we literally have video at the 'food site' that proves beyond any doubt that it wasn't the case... but you guys are SO READY AND WILLING to accept whatever drivel HAMAS throws at you as fact... making you look SO foolish.

The problem is, when Israel actually DOES do something bad, you will have aided in giving them cover with all the lies. It was reported (and may not be true) that HAMAS was so willing to bet on you guys swallowing their lies that they 're-listed' as 'among the dead' people they had previously listed in OTHER claims. That may not be true... but given the reality of the constant lies, it's hard not to at least be suspicious. Just demonstrating the risk of constantly taking 'reports' that turn out to be inaccurate.

This is Jake Tapper telling Laura Trump that claims about Biden's 'slipping' were ridiculous level of stupid on the part of media.

They hide now behind the idea that if you read what they actually wrote... they say (paraphrasing of course) Dozens of people are dead according to local sources. Israel admits firing 'near' distribution centers. They don't tell you that the 'local sources' are HAMAS affiliates and their claims can't be confirmed... and that when Israel admitting firing NEAR them, they categorically denied the allegations. You REALLY have to dig or listen to hours of reports to actually get the story.

REAL investigative reporting would be much more suspicious... and seek confirmation... and if they couldn't get it... they would make it clear that they don't know what happened... and not weave the headlines and story to give a much more salacious possibility.

It's morbid entertainment... not News.

Are you talking about the recent report of Israeli troops firing on civilians that has been reported on by an aid organization and which the Israeli military has acknowledged tacitly (they have acknowledged firing warning shots, firing targeted shots, and that there were casualties)

Dozens reported killed as Israel acknowledges troops opened fire near Gaza food point

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/03/nx-s1-542...food-point

Yes, that’s the erroneous reporting. NPR repeating the lies. Check the video.

Is the Israeli military lying too?

I find it odd that they would make said statement if this was fabricated entirely. Can you send a link to an article explaining the fabrication?

Not sure why I have to do your homework for you, but here is one source that corrected its initial erroneous report. Of course, many of their progressive followers will never see the correction.

https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/1929...cle-856456

Given the choice of believing Hamas (the source of the erroneous reports and admitted liars) and the IDF, I know who I’d believe.

BTW, the group operating the aid site says what Hamas was reporting didn’t happen.

If it is antiTrump, it doesn't need any stinkin' verification.

(06-03-2025 08:29 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Not sure why I have to do your homework for you, but here is one source that corrected its initial erroneous report. Of course, many of their progressive followers will never see the correction.

https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/1929...cle-856456

Given the choice of believing Hamas (the source of the erroneous reports and admitted liars) and the IDF, I know who I’d believe.

BTW, the group operating the aid site says what Hamas was reporting didn’t happen.

A bit sensitive to be asked a question I see.

I asked because all the articles I saw cited a non-Hamas source and the Israeli military as saying that there was a shooting. The post from Ham was the first I had heard of this, so it was strange to find multiple reports citing the Israeli military but seeing multiple posters argue that it was a lie. I mean, I do agree that believing Hamas is a bad idea.

The Post tweet isn’t even saying it was an erroneous report. You’re mischaracterizing that. It was saying that there were conflicting reports and they didn’t adequately convey that situation.

I do agree that IDF’s statements carry some weight, especially when they admit to firing towards a crowd.

Then there is the Red Cross who also said that Israeli troops opened fire…

(06-03-2025 10:05 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  A bit sensitive to be asked a question I see.

As I would be.... because the TRUTH is there if you care to be informed. It shouldn't be random people on a chat room giving you the truth.

Quote:I asked because all the articles I saw cited a non-Hamas source and the Israeli military as saying that there was a shooting. The post from Ham was the first I had heard of this, so it was strange to find multiple reports citing the Israeli military but seeing multiple posters argue that it was a lie. I mean, I do agree that believing Hamas is a bad idea.

You completely missed MY point about them 'creating morbid entertainment' rather than news..

While I suspect there may have been more than one such report... the report I watched with the IDF spokesperson was ASKED about the reports... and the IDF spokesperson said precisely what you report.... that there WAS a shooting.... but that it was not in any way near or related to the claimed 'attack'.... and included shots in the air... then warning shots 'near' people... but intentionally not targeting them.

What you miss is that Hamas is COUNTING on people like you to NOT be suspicious, and the media to be complicit. They will do something to draw a military response of some kind by Israel... and then use Israel TELLING YOU THE TRUTH about there having been a non-lethal or limited encounter.... as EVIDENCE of a mass shooting.

You quoted yourself above... Non-Hamas sources reported there was a shooting. That does not in ANY way mean that there were massive deaths and tanks.

Quote:The Post tweet isn’t even saying it was an erroneous report. You’re mischaracterizing that. It was saying that there were conflicting reports and they didn’t adequately convey that situation.

If there are conflicting reports, does that not suggest to you that one of them is not what happened?? Since they only presented one... they did not share the NEWS.... but instead they shared 'one side of the conflict'

Quote:I do agree that IDF’s statements carry some weight, especially when they admit to firing towards a crowd.

Then there is the Red Cross who also said that Israeli troops opened fire…

Yes.... Israel admitted to firing in the air and then warning shots NEAR rioters/aggressors.

Don't you think if the IDF had killed 20+ people that the red cross would say something more than 'they opened fire'??

You're taking the very obvious bait.