(05-07-2025 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 03:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking layoffs have begun. From NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/truc...w/10682158

And here's another article: https://tech.co/news/freight-industry-la...utheast-us

Quote:Truckers might want to start brushing up on their resumes: The southeast US has seen more than 1,300 job cuts in freight-related industries since April 2025.

Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

Didn't you say trucking would be completely shut down by May 1?

Also, do you realize we are trying to balance trade as much as possible for our long range domestic industry health?

I never said it would be shut down on May 1st. I said that the articles I was reading said that within 2 weeks the long haul trucking business would start layoffs. It is happening after 1 week. The goods that those trucks bring across the country... the cheap plastic crap from China, will be off the shelves soon. That is what I said to stock up on.

Balancing trade on cheap goods like forks and spoons is not going to do anything long term. We won't be bringing those goods back to manufacture here. We need to bring back the semi-conductor work, which began after covid. We need to build our own electronics. We need to fix the supply chain for national security related goods.

"This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now." -MLB

(05-07-2025 09:09 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 03:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking layoffs have begun. From NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/truc...w/10682158

And here's another article: https://tech.co/news/freight-industry-la...utheast-us

Quote:Truckers might want to start brushing up on their resumes: The southeast US has seen more than 1,300 job cuts in freight-related industries since April 2025.

Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

Didn't you say trucking would be completely shut down by May 1?

Also, do you realize we are trying to balance trade as much as possible for our long range domestic industry health?

I never said it would be shut down on May 1st. I said that the articles I was reading said that within 2 weeks the long haul trucking business would start layoffs. It is happening after 1 week. The goods that those trucks bring across the country... the cheap plastic crap from China, will be off the shelves soon. That is what I said to stock up on.

Balancing trade on cheap goods like forks and spoons is not going to do anything long term. We won't be bringing those goods back to manufacture here. We need to bring back the semi-conductor work, which began after covid. We need to build our own electronics. We need to fix the supply chain for national security related goods.

"This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now." -MLB

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008694-post-2...id20137783

Quote:Maybe I should have been more clear... It is referring to long haul trucking. You'll still obviously having things that go from local distribution centers to stores, Amazon deliveries, etc.. It claims that the companies that go from the west coast ports to the east coast will be idled by lack of products to deliver because of lack of ships visiting the ports.

They aren't the only ones talking about it either. Target, Walmart, and Home Depot CEOs visited the West Wing last week to discuss the issue with Trump directly.

(05-06-2025 04:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  God, is this guy an embarrassment. Dumbest president ever, by far.

Pretty bold statement.

How do you know?

Who was the President the last 4 years to compare?

Eyes and ears, my friend. He's a dipshit. He knows nothing, except how to put on a performance and fool a bunch of rubes.

He is incapable of articulating a coherent stance on ANYTHING. My guess is that he's barely literate.

We have a $20 trillion plus economy. The amount of business we do with Canada is a rounding error in the scheme of things. They have a much smaller economy and count on the US for a much larger size of their GDP.

Sorry you can’t grasp the point of him making that abundantly clear to the Canadian PM.

I saw part of the interview and I didn't see the Canadian correcting Trump when he said we didn't do much business with them.

(05-07-2025 09:35 AM)banker Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 04:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  God, is this guy an embarrassment. Dumbest president ever, by far.

Pretty bold statement.

How do you know?

Who was the President the last 4 years to compare?

Eyes and ears, my friend. He's a dipshit. He knows nothing, except how to put on a performance and fool a bunch of rubes.

He is incapable of articulating a coherent stance on ANYTHING. My guess is that he's barely literate.

We have a $20 trillion plus economy. The amount of business we do with Canada is a rounding error in the scheme of things. They have a much smaller economy and count on the US for a much larger size of their GDP.

Sorry you can’t grasp the point of him making that abundantly clear to the Canadian PM.

Talk about not grasping a point. WTF are you babbling about? Our economy isn't just trade with foreign countries.

As of last September, our biggest trading partner was Mexico at $632B (16% of all trade) and Canada was second at $573B (14% of all trade). China was third.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countri...e-partners

trump is the dumbest president we've ever had.

(05-07-2025 09:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  trump is the dumbest president we've ever had.

People know I disagree on how he has employed the tariffs, but he's not dumb. He does things in an unorthodoxed way, which spurs confusion, anger and attacks from those that don't do things that way.

(05-07-2025 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 03:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking layoffs have begun. From NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/truc...w/10682158

And here's another article: https://tech.co/news/freight-industry-la...utheast-us

Quote:Truckers might want to start brushing up on their resumes: The southeast US has seen more than 1,300 job cuts in freight-related industries since April 2025.

Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

Didn't you say trucking would be completely shut down by May 1?

Also, do you realize we are trying to balance trade as much as possible for our long range domestic industry health?

I never said it would be shut down on May 1st. I said that the articles I was reading said that within 2 weeks the long haul trucking business would start layoffs. It is happening after 1 week. The goods that those trucks bring across the country... the cheap plastic crap from China, will be off the shelves soon. That is what I said to stock up on.

Balancing trade on cheap goods like forks and spoons is not going to do anything long term. We won't be bringing those goods back to manufacture here. We need to bring back the semi-conductor work, which began after covid. We need to build our own electronics. We need to fix the supply chain for national security related goods.

Come on. You said "about a week or so away from essentially shutting down." IIRC, I had figured that was around May 1. Certainly close enough, and it has yet to happen. Nothing close to essentially shutting down. Today is May 7.

You're playing word games now.

(05-07-2025 10:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Come on. You said "about a week or so away from essentially shutting down." IIRC, I had figured that was around May 1. Certainly close enough, and it has yet to happen. Nothing close to essentially shutting down. Today is May 7.

You're playing word games now.

And then I clarified myself right afterwards. I also posted it on Monday 4/28, which a week would have been Monday, 5/5. Layoffs did begin before that. I linked articles that showed how different industries would be affected, including trucking and rail. You guys said it was all BS. It is looking more and more like it isn't BS, that it is going down exactly as those economists said it would happen.

If they don't come to an agreement in the near term there will be a huge number of people who won't have a job and will be in the unemployment line. This isn't just affecting the Chinese companies.

(05-07-2025 10:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Come on. You said "about a week or so away from essentially shutting down." IIRC, I had figured that was around May 1. Certainly close enough, and it has yet to happen. Nothing close to essentially shutting down. Today is May 7.

You're playing word games now.

And then I clarified myself right afterwards. I also posted it on Monday 4/28, which a week would have been Monday, 5/5. Layoffs did begin before that. I linked articles that showed how different industries would be affected, including trucking and rail. You guys said it was all BS. It is looking more and more like it isn't BS, that it is going down exactly as those economists said it would happen.

If they don't come to an agreement in the near term there will be a huge number of people who won't have a job and will be in the unemployment line. This isn't just affecting the Chinese companies.

What layoffs did you post about? The UPS one certainly had nothing to do with any of this.

(05-07-2025 09:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:35 AM)banker Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 04:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  God, is this guy an embarrassment. Dumbest president ever, by far.

Pretty bold statement.

How do you know?

Who was the President the last 4 years to compare?

Eyes and ears, my friend. He's a dipshit. He knows nothing, except how to put on a performance and fool a bunch of rubes.

He is incapable of articulating a coherent stance on ANYTHING. My guess is that he's barely literate.

We have a $20 trillion plus economy. The amount of business we do with Canada is a rounding error in the scheme of things. They have a much smaller economy and count on the US for a much larger size of their GDP.

Sorry you can’t grasp the point of him making that abundantly clear to the Canadian PM.

Talk about not grasping a point. WTF are you babbling about? Our economy isn't just trade with foreign countries.

As of last September, our biggest trading partner was Mexico at $632B (16% of all trade) and Canada was second at $573B (14% of all trade). China was third.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countri...e-partners

trump is the dumbest president we've ever had.

Not even in the top 5 dumbest. Im sure being a cuck to canada and mexico are fine with you

(05-07-2025 10:28 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Come on. You said "about a week or so away from essentially shutting down." IIRC, I had figured that was around May 1. Certainly close enough, and it has yet to happen. Nothing close to essentially shutting down. Today is May 7.

You're playing word games now.

And then I clarified myself right afterwards. I also posted it on Monday 4/28, which a week would have been Monday, 5/5. Layoffs did begin before that. I linked articles that showed how different industries would be affected, including trucking and rail. You guys said it was all BS. It is looking more and more like it isn't BS, that it is going down exactly as those economists said it would happen.

If they don't come to an agreement in the near term there will be a huge number of people who won't have a job and will be in the unemployment line. This isn't just affecting the Chinese companies.

What layoffs did you post about? The UPS one certainly had nothing to do with any of this.

UPS certainly did not. Long haul trucking has started laying people off. I posted a link to a NewsNation article about it. They said over the next couple weeks a lot more people will begin to feel the pain of the tariffs because there won't be loads to send across the country. They also said at this point the warehouses have 5-7 weeks of inventory before we start seeing empty shelves for the products that they can't find an American supplier for immediately. They didn't clarify, but I'm guessing that is for the plasticware, cheap textiles, etc., that come from China.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008694-post-2...id20146257

(05-07-2025 10:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 03:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking layoffs have begun. From NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/truc...w/10682158

And here's another article: https://tech.co/news/freight-industry-la...utheast-us

Quote:Truckers might want to start brushing up on their resumes: The southeast US has seen more than 1,300 job cuts in freight-related industries since April 2025.

Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

Didn't you say trucking would be completely shut down by May 1?

Also, do you realize we are trying to balance trade as much as possible for our long range domestic industry health?

I never said it would be shut down on May 1st. I said that the articles I was reading said that within 2 weeks the long haul trucking business would start layoffs. It is happening after 1 week. The goods that those trucks bring across the country... the cheap plastic crap from China, will be off the shelves soon. That is what I said to stock up on.

Balancing trade on cheap goods like forks and spoons is not going to do anything long term. We won't be bringing those goods back to manufacture here. We need to bring back the semi-conductor work, which began after covid. We need to build our own electronics. We need to fix the supply chain for national security related goods.

Come on. You said "about a week or so away from essentially shutting down." IIRC, I had figured that was around May 1. Certainly close enough, and it has yet to happen. Nothing close to essentially shutting down. Today is May 7.

You're playing word games now.

Direct quote this thread


"This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now." -MLB

(05-07-2025 10:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:28 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Come on. You said "about a week or so away from essentially shutting down." IIRC, I had figured that was around May 1. Certainly close enough, and it has yet to happen. Nothing close to essentially shutting down. Today is May 7.

You're playing word games now.

And then I clarified myself right afterwards. I also posted it on Monday 4/28, which a week would have been Monday, 5/5. Layoffs did begin before that. I linked articles that showed how different industries would be affected, including trucking and rail. You guys said it was all BS. It is looking more and more like it isn't BS, that it is going down exactly as those economists said it would happen.

If they don't come to an agreement in the near term there will be a huge number of people who won't have a job and will be in the unemployment line. This isn't just affecting the Chinese companies.

What layoffs did you post about? The UPS one certainly had nothing to do with any of this.

UPS certainly did not. Long haul trucking has started laying people off. I posted a link to a NewsNation article about it. They said over the next couple weeks a lot more people will begin to feel the pain of the tariffs because there won't be loads to send across the country. They also said at this point the warehouses have 5-7 weeks of inventory before we start seeing empty shelves for the products that they can't find an American supplier for immediately. They didn't clarify, but I'm guessing that is for the plasticware, cheap textiles, etc., that come from China.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008694-post-2...id20146257

This is what happens when media, who dont follow an industry, tries to decipher whats happening in an industry.

For instance, UPS laid off 12,000 truckers in the 1st quarter.

No, not the 1st quarter of 2025, the 1st quarter of 2024.

This time of year is always lower for transport and warehouse. It happens every year, and doesnt just affect long haul. It affects warehousing. My sons both work in a warehouse, and their busy season doesnt start until July.

The fear mongering you bought into is an every year occurrence. Its a baked into the long haul cycle.

Here's a reddit post from a year ago that was talking about a guy who got laid off twice at this point last year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Truckers/commen...last_year/

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

China and Trump coming to an agreement soon will not impact the current lull in long haul, because its cyclical. By the summer its going to pick up, regardless of what china does.

(05-07-2025 11:04 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking layoffs have begun. From NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/truc...w/10682158

And here's another article: https://tech.co/news/freight-industry-la...utheast-us

Quote:Truckers might want to start brushing up on their resumes: The southeast US has seen more than 1,300 job cuts in freight-related industries since April 2025.

Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

(05-07-2025 10:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:28 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Come on. You said "about a week or so away from essentially shutting down." IIRC, I had figured that was around May 1. Certainly close enough, and it has yet to happen. Nothing close to essentially shutting down. Today is May 7.

You're playing word games now.

And then I clarified myself right afterwards. I also posted it on Monday 4/28, which a week would have been Monday, 5/5. Layoffs did begin before that. I linked articles that showed how different industries would be affected, including trucking and rail. You guys said it was all BS. It is looking more and more like it isn't BS, that it is going down exactly as those economists said it would happen.

If they don't come to an agreement in the near term there will be a huge number of people who won't have a job and will be in the unemployment line. This isn't just affecting the Chinese companies.

What layoffs did you post about? The UPS one certainly had nothing to do with any of this.

UPS certainly did not. Long haul trucking has started laying people off. I posted a link to a NewsNation article about it. They said over the next couple weeks a lot more people will begin to feel the pain of the tariffs because there won't be loads to send across the country. They also said at this point the warehouses have 5-7 weeks of inventory before we start seeing empty shelves for the products that they can't find an American supplier for immediately. They didn't clarify, but I'm guessing that is for the plasticware, cheap textiles, etc., that come from China.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008694-post-2...id20146257

This is what happens when media, who dont follow an industry, tries to decipher whats happening in an industry.

For instance, UPS laid off 12,000 truckers in the 1st quarter.

No, not the 1st quarter of 2025, the 1st quarter of 2024.

This time of year is always lower for transport and warehouse. It happens every year, and doesnt just affect long haul. It affects warehousing. My sons both work in a warehouse, and their busy season doesnt start until July.

The fear mongering you bought into is an every year occurrence. Its a baked into the long haul cycle.

Here's a reddit post from a year ago that was talking about a guy who got laid off twice at this point last year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Truckers/commen...last_year/

Again, those stats have nothing to do with UPS. No idea why you are even bringing that up.

There are multiple articles talking about July being the busy season for warehousing and specifically talking about how if things aren't settled about a month before then that there will be significant issues there as well.

I hope you guys are right. I look at the year over year port statistics and see it being 35-40% below the same week in 2024 and it tells me there is likely going to be a lot of pain in those industries.

(05-07-2025 11:07 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 11:04 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking layoffs have begun. From NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/truc...w/10682158

And here's another article: https://tech.co/news/freight-industry-la...utheast-us

Quote:Truckers might want to start brushing up on their resumes: The southeast US has seen more than 1,300 job cuts in freight-related industries since April 2025.

Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

(05-07-2025 10:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:28 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 10:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  And then I clarified myself right afterwards. I also posted it on Monday 4/28, which a week would have been Monday, 5/5. Layoffs did begin before that. I linked articles that showed how different industries would be affected, including trucking and rail. You guys said it was all BS. It is looking more and more like it isn't BS, that it is going down exactly as those economists said it would happen.

If they don't come to an agreement in the near term there will be a huge number of people who won't have a job and will be in the unemployment line. This isn't just affecting the Chinese companies.

What layoffs did you post about? The UPS one certainly had nothing to do with any of this.

UPS certainly did not. Long haul trucking has started laying people off. I posted a link to a NewsNation article about it. They said over the next couple weeks a lot more people will begin to feel the pain of the tariffs because there won't be loads to send across the country. They also said at this point the warehouses have 5-7 weeks of inventory before we start seeing empty shelves for the products that they can't find an American supplier for immediately. They didn't clarify, but I'm guessing that is for the plasticware, cheap textiles, etc., that come from China.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008694-post-2...id20146257

This is what happens when media, who dont follow an industry, tries to decipher whats happening in an industry.

For instance, UPS laid off 12,000 truckers in the 1st quarter.

No, not the 1st quarter of 2025, the 1st quarter of 2024.

This time of year is always lower for transport and warehouse. It happens every year, and doesnt just affect long haul. It affects warehousing. My sons both work in a warehouse, and their busy season doesnt start until July.

The fear mongering you bought into is an every year occurrence. Its a baked into the long haul cycle.

Here's a reddit post from a year ago that was talking about a guy who got laid off twice at this point last year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Truckers/commen...last_year/

Again, those stats have nothing to do with UPS. No idea why you are even bringing that up.

There are multiple articles talking about July being the busy season for warehousing and specifically talking about how if things aren't settled about a month before then that there will be significant issues there as well.

1. I'm bringing up UPS because UPS had already decided to cut its workforce to get out of the amazon business PRIOR to any Tariff talks. UPS cutting drivers has nothing to do with tariffs. Yet we still have media saying exactly that, even as of a few hours ago.

2. Nothing you posted about the impending doom mentioned the normal cyclical downturn this time of year.

So far, there is absolutely nothing that is out there that is any different from any other year.

(05-07-2025 09:09 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 03:40 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking layoffs have begun. From NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/truc...w/10682158

And here's another article: https://tech.co/news/freight-industry-la...utheast-us

Quote:Truckers might want to start brushing up on their resumes: The southeast US has seen more than 1,300 job cuts in freight-related industries since April 2025.

Hopefully China and Trump can come to an agreement soon.

Didn't you say trucking would be completely shut down by May 1?

Also, do you realize we are trying to balance trade as much as possible for our long range domestic industry health?

I never said it would be shut down on May 1st. I said that the articles I was reading said that within 2 weeks the long haul trucking business would start layoffs. It is happening after 1 week. The goods that those trucks bring across the country... the cheap plastic crap from China, will be off the shelves soon. That is what I said to stock up on.

Balancing trade on cheap goods like forks and spoons is not going to do anything long term. We won't be bringing those goods back to manufacture here. We need to bring back the semi-conductor work, which began after covid. We need to build our own electronics. We need to fix the supply chain for national security related goods.

"This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now." -MLB

again ... who'd a tunk it....




HE's not wrong on this one!























y'all ain' seen shite, yet!

(05-07-2025 11:16 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  1. I'm bringing up UPS because UPS had already decided to cut its workforce to get out of the amazon business PRIOR to any Tariff talks. UPS cutting drivers has nothing to do with tariffs. Yet we still have media saying exactly that, even as of a few hours ago.

2. Nothing you posted about the impending doom mentioned the normal cyclical downturn this time of year.

So far, there is absolutely nothing that is out there that is any different from any other year.

35% lower volume year over year into the ports is absolutely different than cyclical downturns.

(05-07-2025 11:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  I hope you guys are right. I look at the year over year port statistics and see it being 35-40% below the same week in 2024 and it tells me there is likely going to be a lot of pain in those industries.

Logistics (including trucking) and American mfg don't have the same strong correlation like it used to - due to importing mfg goods with those mostly coming from China. Trucking can recover as they change from transporting imports to U.S. made products. You point out that this transition won't happen overnight. You're correct - it won't. However, I don't see how else this can be accomplished. There are a lot of 20/20 hindsight Chinese exit ramps we could have taken years ago but that doesn't help us today. Today we have to rip the band-aid off and tend to the economic wound we allowed to fester for decades.

Significant parts of our economy are addicts. Not necessarily consumers but the corporations in charge who have pushed into Chinese manufacturing to resell back to the U.S. There's no gentle transition here - they would simply bide their time until they could reestablish their cozy relationships with CCP officials who want to destroy the U.S.

(05-07-2025 11:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  I hope you guys are right. I look at the year over year port statistics and see it being 35-40% below the same week in 2024 and it tells me there is likely going to be a lot of pain in those industries.

simple supply/demand decrease w/o ability to flip switch from normally open to normally closed...

it's amazing how this resource richest went from self-sufficient to poos-ville in two gens ... just g'dammit....