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(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. Not a good position to be in for them.

I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

(04-28-2025 01:02 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  As noted by others, China is collapsing fast, even before Trump was elected. Their population is collapsing, their housing industry is collapsing, countless industries were already moving out..i.e. to India, Vietnam, etc (Apple, Nike, etc). Trump has likely excelerated it but it was inevitable. Also, BRICS is done for.

Shhh...don't tell Tom...

(04-28-2025 11:30 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

But our economy is about to shut down!!!

Do we have any deals in principle yet?

(04-28-2025 01:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  Do we have any deals in principle yet?

Yes, they mentioned a number this morning, but I forget the exact amount. Multiple. They are deals in principle, but yet need details worked out to be final. I think they said like 2-3 weeks, perhaps.

(04-28-2025 01:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. Not a good position to be in for them.

I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

(04-28-2025 01:16 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 11:30 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

But our economy is about to shut down!!!

I'll take "Dumb Takes" for $2,000, Ken.

(04-28-2025 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. Not a good position to be in for them.

I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

Are you are going to whine and cry like this every Trump spanks china?

(04-28-2025 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. Not a good position to be in for them.

I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

They are reportedly on the verge of collapse in many areas, even without this. That is what you are missing.

We are not on the verge of collapse. Not apples to apples at all, as you imply.

(04-28-2025 01:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

Are you are going to whine and cry like this every Trump spanks china?

Have you learned how wholesale prices are different than retail prices yet?

(04-28-2025 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  ^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

Are you are going to whine and cry like this every Trump spanks china?

Have you learned how wholesale prices are different than retail prices yet?

Hey Rotunda, your egg price thread didnt age like a Biden* bowel movement because of any misundertanding on my part.

If you cant win a trade war you most certainly cannot win a real war

(04-28-2025 01:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

They are reportedly on the verge of collapse in many areas, even without this. That is what you are missing.

We are not on the verge of collapse. Not apples to apples at all, as you imply.

Collapse is bit strong. A recession, possibly a prolonged one, is where many are putting it. A trade war could easily do the same to us. So again who blinks first? Tom makes a great point about the control the Chinese government has over its people vs the U.S. At least the freedoms Americans enjoyed in the past .

(04-28-2025 01:31 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Gee, you said something different earlier. That this wouldn't hurt China. Now you're agreeing that nobody denies China will be hurt.

Which is it?

I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

Are you are going to whine and cry like this every Trump spanks china?

Have you learned how wholesale prices are different than retail prices yet?

Hey Rotunda, your egg price thread didnt age like a Biden* bowel movement because of any misundertanding [sic] on my part.

Sure, mutt-face. And what exactly is a misundertanding?

And yeah, if you came to any other conclusion reading that egg thread than trump is a bald-faced liar and that your buddy posters in that thread where as clueless as ever, yeah, you had a misundertanding.

Retail egg prices continued to increase, under trump, through March. They didn't go down.

(04-28-2025 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:31 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I said MAJOR way. Not that they will not be harmed at all. Nobody wins in this nonsense...we all lose...that's why it's nonsense, and likely the dumbest economic thing any president has ever done.

Are you are going to whine and cry like this every Trump spanks china?

Have you learned how wholesale prices are different than retail prices yet?

Hey Rotunda, your egg price thread didnt age like a Biden* bowel movement because of any misundertanding [sic] on my part.

Sure, mutt-face. And what exactly is a misundertanding?

And yeah, if you came to any other conclusion reading that egg thread than trump is a bald-faced liar and that your buddy posters in that thread where as clueless as ever, yeah, you had a misundertanding.

Retail egg prices continued to increase, under trump, through March. They didn't go down.

Dear Rotunda, there is a difference between retail and wholesale prices.

and retail prices LAG wholesale price movements by a few weeks.

Therefore, when wholesale egg prices under Trump dropped more than they have ever dropped in the history of wholesale egg prices, it took retail prices a few weeks to do the same. ANd this causes you great butthurt, because you keep talking about early March when we are 2 days away from May.

China - "We are not talking to Trump on trade!

Also China - "Trump is mean to us when we try to talk to him on trade!"

bwahahahahahaha

(04-28-2025 02:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:31 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Are you are going to whine and cry like this every Trump spanks china?

Have you learned how wholesale prices are different than retail prices yet?

Hey Rotunda, your egg price thread didnt age like a Biden* bowel movement because of any misundertanding [sic] on my part.

Sure, mutt-face. And what exactly is a misundertanding?

And yeah, if you came to any other conclusion reading that egg thread than trump is a bald-faced liar and that your buddy posters in that thread where as clueless as ever, yeah, you had a misundertanding.

Retail egg prices continued to increase, under trump, through March. They didn't go down.

Dear Rotunda, there is a difference between retail and wholesale prices.

and retail prices LAG wholesale price movements by a few weeks.

Therefore, when wholesale egg prices under Trump dropped more than they have ever dropped in the history of wholesale egg prices, it took retail prices a few weeks to do the same. ANd this causes you great butthurt, because you keep talking about early March when we are 2 days away from May.

No, mutt-face, THAT causes me NO butthurt, because I...unlike you and your minions in that thread...know how these things work. And yeah, you followed gleefully along with them claiming egg prices decreased. And newsflash, remember back in the campaign...you and the clowns railed on the RETAIL price of eggs...you know...because that's what WE pay. Nobody really gives a **** what the wholesale prices are as we don't pay those. And FWIW, the wholesale price of eggs reached a record high, IN MARCH 2025, UNDER the trump administration!
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eggs-us

That being said, unlike your ignorant ass, I know trump is not to blame for that. Just as Biden was not to blame for the prices of eggs in his term. You, sadly, don't understand any of that.

But keep moving those goalposts, that's all you have. What a sad existence.

(04-28-2025 03:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 02:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:31 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 01:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Have you learned how wholesale prices are different than retail prices yet?

Hey Rotunda, your egg price thread didnt age like a Biden* bowel movement because of any misundertanding [sic] on my part.

Sure, mutt-face. And what exactly is a misundertanding?

And yeah, if you came to any other conclusion reading that egg thread than trump is a bald-faced liar and that your buddy posters in that thread where as clueless as ever, yeah, you had a misundertanding.

Retail egg prices continued to increase, under trump, through March. They didn't go down.

Dear Rotunda, there is a difference between retail and wholesale prices.

and retail prices LAG wholesale price movements by a few weeks.

Therefore, when wholesale egg prices under Trump dropped more than they have ever dropped in the history of wholesale egg prices, it took retail prices a few weeks to do the same. ANd this causes you great butthurt, because you keep talking about early March when we are 2 days away from May.

No, mutt-face, THAT causes me NO butthurt, because I...unlike you and your minions in that thread...know how these things work.

Do I really need to repost your post from 10 years ago where you were telling us all how insurance deductibles worked?

Quote:And yeah, you followed gleefully along with them claiming egg prices decreased. And newsflash, remember back in the campaign...you and the clowns railed on the RETAIL price of eggs...you know...because that's what WE pay. Nobody really gives a **** what the wholesale prices are as we don't pay those. And FWIW, the wholesale price of eggs reached a record high, IN MARCH 2025, UNDER the trump administration!
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eggs-us

1. Biden culled about 20% of the egg laying hens on the way out the door.

2. It took a few weeks for the full effect of that to hit wholesale egg prices.

3. Trump took action, and the wholesale egg prices dropped by historic amounts.

4. A few weeks later retail egg prices dropped

The goalpost hasnt moved. Its still up your ass where I shoved it.

Almost $16B raked in this month on tariffs.

Looks like a deal with India is coming together sooner rather than later. That’s a shot across the bow to China. If we get a deal done with India that’s going to be a game changer in the Chinese discussions because they are capable manufacturing competitor to China.