(04-28-2025 11:05 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  "Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?"


We need to BudLite their S. It seems though that most everything in stores come from the Chinks. It has to change...now.

Speaking of which: Those Trump 2028 baseball caps...are they from China. LOL

Hell no, they're 50 bucks, lol.

(04-28-2025 10:23 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

Americans like cheap ****. Period.

AGAIN, if American companies could make the stuff here and still make the same or close to the same profit, they would have done it years ago. This is not some quick solution. It's YEARS of pain, for no real benefit.

It's perhaps the stupidest move by a president in the nation's history.

Americans also like having the perks of being the prime superpower too. Ten years ago I agree with you - we'd shut up and buy the cheap ****. Not today. We had a massive wake up call in 2020 - we started paying a lot more attention to what's been going on in our country and the world. My opinion at least.

Yeah, sure, but did that really change our buying habits materially?

(04-28-2025 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

Americans like cheap ****. Period.

AGAIN, if American companies could make the stuff here and still make the same or close to the same profit, they would have done it years ago. This is not some quick solution. It's YEARS of pain, for no real benefit.

It's perhaps the stupidest move by a president in the nation's history.

you were already doing a fine job looking dumb talking about egg prices. No need to expand the gulf of your stupidity.

More projection. Dude, you got owned, again, on egg prices. Once again, wholesale prices are different than retail prices. Quit while you're behind.

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Bookmarked

(04-28-2025 10:23 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

Americans like cheap ****. Period.

AGAIN, if American companies could make the stuff here and still make the same or close to the same profit, they would have done it years ago. This is not some quick solution. It's YEARS of pain, for no real benefit.

It's perhaps the stupidest move by a president in the nation's history.

Americans also like having the perks of being the prime superpower too. Ten years ago I agree with you - we'd shut up and buy the cheap ****. Not today. We had a massive wake up call in 2020 - we started paying a lot more attention to what's been going on in our country and the world. My opinion at least.

I absolutely think American's as a whole would pay more to buy American products, as a long term project assuming that meant a lot more really good paying jobs were coming back to the US as the trade off for cheap sh*t. The problem is there are a whole lot of products where there aren't options currently to just buy more expensive American made products. Currently 97% of baby strollers are made in China, and 87% of car seats, and this is just an example of one industry but it's across the board.

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/26/tariffs...uct-prices

(04-28-2025 12:20 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Bookmarked

Here are a couple links related to what I read this morning... look at slide 4 in the first link for the timing and why they are saying within the next 2 weeks, give or take.

https://www.apolloacademy.com/wp-content...rms_v2.pdf

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/mass-l...ing-apollo

(04-28-2025 12:26 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:20 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Bookmarked

Here are a couple links related to what I read this morning... look at slide 4 in the first link for the timing and why they are saying within the next 2 weeks, give or take.

https://www.apolloacademy.com/wp-content...rms_v2.pdf

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/mass-l...ing-apollo

Two weeks. Insterstates will be clear of trucks. Shut down.

Lets see. Boomarked.

Ill will tell my friend that runs a major trucking hub to schedule a vacation.

China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. We're probably going to face higher prices here in the short term, but it's not a good position to be in for them. And we will just start manufacturing more here. That will further hurt them and why you can expect they will be coming to the table soon because the losses start piling up on their end.

(04-28-2025 12:31 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Two weeks. Insterstates will be clear of trucks. Shut down.

Lets see. Boomarked.

Ill will tell my friend that runs a major trucking hub to schedule a vacation.

Maybe I should have been more clear... It is referring to long haul trucking. You'll still obviously having things that go from local distribution centers to stores, Amazon deliveries, etc.. It claims that the companies that go from the west coast ports to the east coast will be idled by lack of products to deliver because of lack of ships visiting the ports.

They aren't the only ones talking about it either. Target, Walmart, and Home Depot CEOs visited the West Wing last week to discuss the issue with Trump directly.

(04-28-2025 12:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. Not a good position to be in for them.

I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

(04-28-2025 12:37 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:31 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Two weeks. Insterstates will be clear of trucks. Shut down.

Lets see. Boomarked.

Ill will tell my friend that runs a major trucking hub to schedule a vacation.

Maybe I should have been more clear... It is referring to long haul trucking. You'll still obviously having things that go from local distribution centers to stores, Amazon deliveries, etc.. It claims that the companies that go from the west coast ports to the east coast will be idled by lack of products to deliver because of lack of ships visiting the ports.

They aren't the only ones talking about it either. Target, Walmart, and Home Depot CEOs visited the West Wing last week to discuss the issue with Trump directly.

Your report from apollo would be more credible if any of them had any resemblence of american names.

Wi Tu Lo
Ho Lee Fuque
Dang Bing Ow

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. Not a good position to be in for them.

I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

^^This^^

And it's been going on a lot longer than 5 years as well.

(04-28-2025 12:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  China is very susceptible in a trade war with us. Much more so than we are. Due to the severely massive imbalance. China is very sensitive with its financial global standing and the value of the Yaun. Some people here seem to think China doesn't care about that kind of stuff and operates like other communist regimes of the past, but that's false and they don't. They operate like communists in terms of control of centralizing some of the industries for state power and on the people. Otherwise, they operate like a free society in trade. China is unique in this regard doing what the Soviets failed to do.

As a massive net exporter, they lose on both ends. Tariffs on their products reduce demand hurting their economy. Retaliatory tariffs drive up prices of products that the U.S. trades with them further hurting their economy more. This is a very simplistic assessment for a complicated issue, but the bottom line is China can't win a trade war with us, because the imbalance is so severe. And the only reason they allowed themselves to get into the situation is because a) they never thought the U.S. would take this approach with them and b) it was the most efficient way to turn a fledgling economy into an economic super power. So, we have a financial deficit as a result and they have massive amounts of overhead they have to account for. They're sitting on thousands of full warehouses, with yet still more product being manufactured, and the demand is eroding with their top buyer. Top buyer by a long shot. Not a good position to be in for them.

I don't think anyone, here or elsewhere, lacks the recognition on how China is going to be harmed by this trade war. The question is who blinks first? The country that has everything locked down in the media so you only hear the government message, or the country that will have people screaming because they can't get their tech gadgets, building materials, and cheap clothes?

The pressure that Trump is going to get compared to Xi is going to be tremendous, IMO. People here don't like not having their cheap crap, and I don't think the last 5 years has significantly changed that. If it did you would see these large retailers already having changed their supply chains.

After the previous experience with the media with his first term, during, before, and after, I don't think Trump gives an F what the media things. And he knows he's not running for re-election. So, all he cares about is getting W's for America. Screw the media. They've lost their way and moreover rational people figured that out too.

Right...all this winning.

(04-28-2025 12:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Your report from apollo would be more credible if any of them had any resemblence of american names.

Wi Tu Lo
Ho Lee Fuque
Dang Bing Ow

I guess we'll see where things go. One thing is clear, Trump says that Xi called him to negotiate and Xi says it is a lie and he hasn't talked to Trump since before inauguration day. Trump then danced around answering when they talked by saying "we've talked lots of times" without any specifics (from him or the White House). I'd say China is in it for the long haul. I hope Trump didn't overstep here without a plan to replace those items.

(04-28-2025 12:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Right...all this winning.

Yes

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  After the previous experience with the media with his first term, during, before, and after, I don't think Trump gives an F what the media things. And he knows he's not running for re-election. So, all he cares about is getting W's for America. Screw the media. They've lost their way and moreover rational people figured that out too.

Who cares about the media? It will be the businesses, large and small, that will be screaming about it. If they can't get their items to sell or their raw materials to produce then they will be at the White House. It will be the trucking companies laying people off. It will be the retailers saying they can't get certain goods in store.

My own anecdotal story... I lose 1 of my 2 key fobs for my car. I was in Costco last week and they had one of the companies that will replace it on site for you while you shop. I walked up, asked them the price for my make/model. They looked it up, said "I don't have any of that model right now and we are at least a month out because the fob is made in China and we can't get it in stock from our suppliers right now". It is only a matter of time before the local inventories are gone on a lot of goods at this point. We'll see just how much pain the people and businesses will put up with before they start screaming.

(04-28-2025 12:52 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 12:44 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  After the previous experience with the media with his first term, during, before, and after, I don't think Trump gives an F what the media things. And he knows he's not running for re-election. So, all he cares about is getting W's for America. Screw the media. They've lost their way and moreover rational people figured that out too.

Who cares about the media? It will be the businesses, large and small, that will be screaming about it. If they can't get their items to sell or their raw materials to produce then they will be at the White House. It will be the trucking companies laying people off. It will be the retailers saying they can't get certain goods in store.

My own anecdotal story... I lose 1 of my 2 key fobs for my car. I was in Costco last week and they had one of the companies that will replace it on site for you while you shop. I walked up, asked them the price for my make/model. They looked it up, said "I don't have any of that model right now and we are at least a month out because the fob is made in China and we can't get it in stock from our suppliers right now". It is only a matter of time before the local inventories are gone on a lot of goods at this point. We'll see just how much pain the people and businesses will put up with before they start screaming.

Let them scream. We can't be far away from 20% unemployment if not higher because of deficit we're running as a nation. Sooner or later that rooster was going to come home to roost. And I bet we were less than a decade away from it happening. Good leadership requires hard decisions. You know that thing we didn't have for four years!

As noted by others, China is collapsing fast, even before Trump was elected. Their population is collapsing, their housing industry is collapsing, countless industries were already moving out..i.e. to India, Vietnam, etc (Apple, Nike, etc). Trump has likely excelerated it but it was inevitable. Also, BRICS is done for.