https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

That's a long term play. Not short term. Short term we're about to be in a world of hurt. And by short term that means years, likely. Unless Trump caves, which is the likely outcome.

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Source? These are the kind of freak outs I heard during COVID and all I got was a toilet paper shortage for some stupid reason.

Capitalists will find a way to make money.

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!"

(04-28-2025 09:57 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

That's a long term play. Not short term. Short term we're about to be in a world of hurt. And by short term that means years, likely. Unless Trump caves, which is the likely outcome.

Again... source? Define "a world of hurt" please.

(04-28-2025 10:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Source? These are the kind of freak outs I heard during COVID and all I got was a toilet paper shortage for some stupid reason.

Capitalists will find a way to make money.

Huh? You got a TP shortage in the beginning due to panic buying...and yes, it was dumb, but if you think there wasn't supply shortages of just about everything during Covid, you weren't paying much attention.

(04-28-2025 10:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Source? These are the kind of freak outs I heard during COVID and all I got was a toilet paper shortage for some stupid reason.

Capitalists will find a way to make money.

I can't find the article at the moment (read it on my phone when I got up this morning), but essentially it said that the number of container ships that are now bypassing US ports because of lack of goods set to deliver is the highest its ever been. They talked about the lack of unloading of goods at west coast ports, and that the trucking industry is seeing that the number of loads to move has plummeted. Said in another 2 weeks or less the amount of goods to be moved won't support the industries.

There are a few critical things we will have to scramble for, no doubt. But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us. Their work force will crumble before our economy does.

In the long term, and it won't be years, we have to fix this trade deficit issue. It's a part of why we run big deficits, and we certainly have been ripped off by everybody for decades, with China being a main culprit. I think we now have something like an annual $300B deficit with them, IIRC. Largest of any trade partner.

Hundreds of billions run into trillions pretty quickly, lol. And we're currently operating at a $2T deficit.

(04-28-2025 10:04 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:57 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

That's a long term play. Not short term. Short term we're about to be in a world of hurt. And by short term that means years, likely. Unless Trump caves, which is the likely outcome.

Again... source? Define "a world of hurt" please.

Empty store shelves. Home Depot, Target, and Walmart have all warned about this as a signicant issue over the short term.

I can take the short term if we truly are negotiating... but China has straight up said they are not talking to Trump. I don't think they care, as they know they can outlast the US market and industries who need product in order to operate. Capitalism will find solutions, but it isn't going to come overnight.

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

That's just too damn dumb to debate.

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

Americans like cheap ****. Period.

AGAIN, if American companies could make the stuff here and still make the same or close to the same profit, they would have done it years ago. This is not some quick solution. It's YEARS of pain, for no real benefit.

It's perhaps the stupidest move by a president in the nation's history.

Two countries. I pick the one Tom isn't in.

(04-28-2025 10:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 10:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  But a long term standoff will hurt China worse than us.

China isn't the US in terms of the citizens. Their citizens are oppressed and suppressed.

You're fooling yourself if you think we're going to harm them in any major way. Especially when the rest of the world will likely work with them quicker and better and cheaper than trump is doing or proposing.

Face it, trump ****** us and you. The sooner you come to terms with this the quicker you'll adjust.

That's just too damn dumb to debate.

There is nothing TOO debate.

China will do what they want and tell their citizens what to do and they have no recourse but to comply. That will not happen here.

(04-28-2025 10:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Two countries. I pick the one Tom isn't in.

Good, bye.

(04-28-2025 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

Americans like cheap ****. Period.

AGAIN, if American companies could make the stuff here and still make the same or close to the same profit, they would have done it years ago. This is not some quick solution. It's YEARS of pain, for no real benefit.

It's perhaps the stupidest move by a president in the nation's history.

Americans also like having the perks of being the prime superpower too. Ten years ago I agree with you - we'd shut up and buy the cheap ****. Not today. We had a massive wake up call in 2020 - we started paying a lot more attention to what's been going on in our country and the world. My opinion at least.

(04-28-2025 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi...r-AA1DLtBg

Quote:China’s government flat-out said on Monday that President Xi Jinping has not spoken with President Trump recently, killing any idea once again that the two leaders were secretly chatting to fix their trade war.

Beijing made this statement during a regular press conference, slamming Trump’s claim made last week in a Time magazine interview that Xi had picked up the phone and called him.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there have been no calls, no negotiations, and no backdoor deals to fix the tariff disaster between the two biggest economies on the planet.

Guo Jiakun, the spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry, stood in front of reporters and said, “As far as I know, there has been no recent phone call between the two heads of state.”

He went even further to drive the point home: “I want to reiterate that China and the United States are not engaged in consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue. These are lies.” That was about as clean and cold as it could get.

No talk, no deals, no progress.

This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

Americans like cheap ****. Period.

AGAIN, if American companies could make the stuff here and still make the same or close to the same profit, they would have done it years ago. This is not some quick solution. It's YEARS of pain, for no real benefit.

It's perhaps the stupidest move by a president in the nation's history.

you were already doing a fine job looking dumb talking about egg prices. No need to expand the gulf of your stupidity.

(04-28-2025 09:54 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-28-2025 09:38 AM)mlb Wrote:  This isn't good news in any way... we're about to have huge layoffs across a broad spectrum of industries. Trucking and rail transport are likely a week or so away from essentially shutting down. Better stock up now.

Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?

It would create the desired outcome.

"Okay, but what would the outcome be if a large percentage of the U.S. population refused to buy any Chinese made goods?"


We need to BudLite their S. It seems though that most everything in stores come from the Chinks. It has to change...now.

Speaking of which: Those Trump 2028 baseball caps...are they from China. LOL