(04-17-2025 05:59 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: (04-17-2025 05:33 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: (04-17-2025 05:27 PM)shere khan Wrote: (04-17-2025 04:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: “ It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”
Dont break the law. Youll have liberty.
Covidtards lecturing about liberty
Gfy
Yes, the Trump admin should stop breaking the law and denying people the liberty afforded by the constitution. Thanks for agreeing for once.
But the Biden administration who broke the law thousands and thousands of times of day was ok with you? They literally oversaw the world’s largest human smuggling operation in the history of the world. And helped cartels find a new line of business that has endangered hundreds of thousands of more lives. The number of people killed, raped, or had every penny they owned extorted from them is unbearable for me to even think about. You can’t be serious!
The Biden approach to the border was horrendous.
And I (and many others) have zero problem with a far stronger border policy, *and* having a far more active deportation regime for illegal aliens.
When it gets to denying due process in full, that is way beyond the line.
And no, your giant whadabout excuse simply is..... a giant whadabout that attempts to retionalize and normalize the Trump excess.
Sorry, there is no fing 'war' with Venezuela that allows deportation of Venezuelans with no due process -- which is precisely what happened with what appears two planeloads last week. I will grant you if there was a war with Venezuela, the Trump actions under the EAA would have been proper and legal. There isnt. And its not.
it looks like Abrego got caught up in the party that the Trump regime kicked off last week with the EAA. In his case, its a triple problem. In addition to the double problem of a blatant thin ass lie to rationalize insta-depoortations, and the insta-deportations under the EAA occurring with a lack of due process, Abrego has the added problem that he had a pre-existing hold, from a competent previous hearing, barring the actions that happened. That is, he had the results of his previous application of due process washed away automatically. Kind of fing grotesque.
Again -- do it correctly. If the detainees were processed in accordance with the standards of due process, thats great. From the record provided in Boasberg's court, that may not have happened.
From the record in Xinis's court, its pretty obvious that Abrego wasnt afforded *any* due process when his 'do not deport' order was violated from what appears to be on a whim.
Look, this isnt a defense of the Biden border policy. Its stupid to use that as the grand whadabout to justify and rationalize executive overreach and what appears to be a pretty stark violation of due process.
I guess the Republican stance should now be 'Fk due process, its not so great.'
And no, being a champion of due process should not be solely a liberal thing. Infortunately that seems to be the trajectory.