(04-15-2025 07:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:01 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 05:48 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 12:41 PM)Trojanbybirth Wrote:  I'll trade you "any person" for "shall not be infringed".

Do you think I am an anti- 2A guy? Lolz.

Ill take the literal meaning of both of them. Funny that. Im not politically selective in deciding to **** on one part of the Constitution and support another. Im one of those dudes that think all of it needs to be followed.


But glad to see that you think that you seemingly think the fight that finally won out in Heller, and McDonald, and Bruen is such a chip on the shoulder to ignore the issue of "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". Cool cool.

So if they drag his ass back, sit him down at a folding table, let him plead his case, order him deported 5 minutes later, then walk him back across the border where he entered.....

You'll stfu?

Absolutely -- give him the due process. If in the process they decide to ship him out, that is what it is. Within the rules.

They could have done that within the rules for any of the 2 planeloads. Notice, hearing, and if an adverse ruling -- no problem in shipping them out. Ive been crystal clear all along. As have most people criticizing the issue.

Within the rules? Funny, I don't recall you raising hell when Biden let in maybe 20M illegals. Against the rules.

To that point

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(04-16-2025 07:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 06:23 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 02:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Illegal aliens have no rights. They’re criminals. They entered the country illegally. The fact some federal judge in DC says otherwise matters not.

By all rights the American people should be able to bring in these invaders to their nearest ICE office and turn them over to be sent to the prison in Cuba.

It’s likely the only reason that isn’t happening is Leftist scum would figure out a way to use the same process against White, Straight, Christian Conservative men given the opportunity. That’s what the evil SOB’s always do.

BuT dUe PrOtHeSs

I got curious at exactly what the law says, and what typical court conduct has been recently.

We all certainly realize that due process is in the constitution. It then becomes a matter of how we feel about it, and how it is actually put into practice.

The results to me were a little surprising. Here is one example.

Quote:In the ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote “it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in deportation proceedings.”

How it works in practice: Immigrants have the right to due process. But in reality, says, Andrew Arthur, a resident fellow in law and policy at the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, “courts of law run the gamut.”

In some cases, immigrants are not granted a hearing at all. When asked about the president’s tweet, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders pointed to the process of “expedited removal,” which was created by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

“Just because you don’t see a judge doesn’t mean you aren’t receiving due process,” Sanders said.

Under the expedited removal process, immigrants who have been in the country illegally for less than two years and are apprehended within 100 miles of the border can be deported almost immediately without going through a court hearing.

The exception is asylum seekers, who must be granted a hearing.

Those who are not processed through expedited removal have the right to due process in an immigration court, where the main goal is to decide whether a person has a legal claim to remain in the U.S.

“In immigration court, you have very few rights,” said John Gihon, an immigration attorney who spent six years as a prosecutor for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement before moving into private practice.

Gihon says the bar for what constitutes evidence is lax in immigration court. Documents do not have to be authenticated, and hearsay, a statement made by someone outside of the court, as opposed to on the witness stand, counts as admissible evidence. Hearsay is not allowed in most U.S. courts.

“In the majority of cases, it’s a lock solid 100 percent guaranteed conviction because there is little defense, and most would confess they crossed the border illegally,” Gihon said.

Observations:

1. Scalia said aliens. He did not mention "illegal" aliens.
2. Courts run the gamut in their interpretation of the law.
3. Illegal immigrants here under 2 years and caught within 100 miles of the border can be deported with no hearing, per a 1996 law.
4. The burden of evidence pointing to deportation is lax in immigration court.

And all this was before Biden let in millions of illegals, many with violent criminal records. I would bet that under no circumstances did those who wrote the relevant laws ever envision that we would just drop our borders and allow everybody in with no vetting.

I think in reality, that last line in bold above, where the immigrants entered illegally, pretty much in practicality annuls their due process rights.

So, it's not as cut and dried as one would think.

The SC ruled that the only due process granted to those under the aliens invasion act was habeus. That can be handled at detention intake when they ask for a social security number. Dont have one because you arent a citizen? Ok, well we
also dont show any papers where you were admitted into the country legally, therefore your due process is complete.

Its really as simple as that.

(04-16-2025 08:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:29 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 04:09 PM)maximus Wrote:  We lived in a country with a great deal of warped stupid people.

We need a war.

Only if they were able to step a single foot on our sovereign soil...

Then muh due process

That's the problem here, these millions of single male invaders were allowed in on purpose and even flown in under the ridiculous guise of muh asylum, no shots fired invasion.

Strawman ******* argument bolded above. Different set of procedures, different rules. But leave it to the terminally ignorant to blather about it as such.

And Ill take it a step further -- if there *was* an actual invasion by a nation, or a war with a nation, the President has almost unfettered power to deport not just the 'invaders', but *any* national of that country we are at war with.

The ignorance and strawman arguments here are just mindboggling.

So 12-15 million in 4 years isn't an invasion?

WTF is it then?

Ohhh nevermind, it was purposeful treason

I guess you missed the phrase 'by a nation'. Perhaps pay bit more attention to the actual words. Or, just make **** up as you do above.

It's actually nation(s). Maybe pay attention to reality

Lolz. Sure thing tapatalk. It *is* a large number of individual actions by the equal number of a large number of individuals.

If you bothered, the authors of the EAA made it very clear that the Act applied to declared wars, undeclared wars and an invasion of the United Stats by a military of another nation, or an incursion by another nation, the president may act with deportations of foreign nationals.

Here is the text, note the inclusion of the phrase "foreign nation or government".

Quote:Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government

Double Lolz. The extent you work to simply make **** up is amazing overall, and even more pronounced here. Triple lolz.

Maybe try tethering the issue into the facts in the world and law, instead of stupidly broad metaphorical expansions and equally stupid as **** whiny diatribes based on those stupid as **** presumptions.

(04-16-2025 07:50 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 09:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Exactly my point. We ignored immigration laws to let in maybe 20M unvetted illegals, and NOW the Dems are about enforcing immigration laws. Cherry picking. They came in illegally, so I have no issue with them going back the same way.

If a burglar breaks into my home at night, he's not going to get due process. He's going to get shot.

Its called enforcing the precept of law defined in the Constitution.

I am glad you are so vehemently against it.

What other rights in the Constitution do you think should be erased?

Did you know the Constitution encompasses all of North and South America? It even applies to those who are illegally here and it grants say a Venezuelan every right an American citizen has.

That’s right, you can come to the US illegally with no passport and record of your past life and you will have the Constitutional rights everyone else in the country enjoys.

But, how is that?

Well, it’s because stuffed shirts need a way to extract money from its citizens. You see, actually catching someone trespassing and removing them is too simplistic and no money is to be made.

No, we must create laws that will log jam our legal system and cloud an issue that everyone knows is illegal.

Next we will turn them loose until a court date can be determined. But, they are not allowed to earn a living just somehow exist until months years later we have a court date. Then we are shocked the ILLEGALS NO SHOW

Must be fun to don shades and defend idiocy.

Even better when you’re soaked in hypocrisy and fervor while attempting it.

(04-16-2025 08:05 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:27 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 06:23 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 02:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Illegal aliens have no rights. They’re criminals. They entered the country illegally. The fact some federal judge in DC says otherwise matters not.

By all rights the American people should be able to bring in these invaders to their nearest ICE office and turn them over to be sent to the prison in Cuba.

It’s likely the only reason that isn’t happening is Leftist scum would figure out a way to use the same process against White, Straight, Christian Conservative men given the opportunity. That’s what the evil SOB’s always do.

BuT dUe PrOtHeSs

I got curious at exactly what the law says, and what typical court conduct has been recently.

We all certainly realize that due process is in the constitution. It then becomes a matter of how we feel about it, and how it is actually put into practice.

The results to me were a little surprising. Here is one example.

Quote:In the ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote “it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in deportation proceedings.”

How it works in practice: Immigrants have the right to due process. But in reality, says, Andrew Arthur, a resident fellow in law and policy at the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, “courts of law run the gamut.”

In some cases, immigrants are not granted a hearing at all. When asked about the president’s tweet, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders pointed to the process of “expedited removal,” which was created by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

“Just because you don’t see a judge doesn’t mean you aren’t receiving due process,” Sanders said.

Under the expedited removal process, immigrants who have been in the country illegally for less than two years and are apprehended within 100 miles of the border can be deported almost immediately without going through a court hearing.

The exception is asylum seekers, who must be granted a hearing.

Those who are not processed through expedited removal have the right to due process in an immigration court, where the main goal is to decide whether a person has a legal claim to remain in the U.S.

“In immigration court, you have very few rights,” said John Gihon, an immigration attorney who spent six years as a prosecutor for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement before moving into private practice.

Gihon says the bar for what constitutes evidence is lax in immigration court. Documents do not have to be authenticated, and hearsay, a statement made by someone outside of the court, as opposed to on the witness stand, counts as admissible evidence. Hearsay is not allowed in most U.S. courts.

“In the majority of cases, it’s a lock solid 100 percent guaranteed conviction because there is little defense, and most would confess they crossed the border illegally,” Gihon said.

Observations:

1. Scalia said aliens. He did not mention "illegal" aliens.
2. Courts run the gamut in their interpretation of the law.
3. Illegal immigrants here under 2 years and caught within 100 miles of the border can be deported with no hearing, per a 1996 law.
4. The burden of evidence pointing to deportation is lax in immigration court.

And all this was before Biden let in millions of illegals, many with violent criminal records. I would bet that under no circumstances did those who wrote the relevant laws ever envision that we would just drop our borders and allow everybody in with no vetting.

I think in reality, that last line in bold above, where the immigrants entered illegally, pretty much in practicality annuls their due process rights.

So, it's not as cut and dried as one would think.

The SC ruled that the only due process granted to those under the aliens invasion act was habeus. That can be handled at detention intake when they ask for a social security number. Dont have one because you arent a citizen? Ok, well we
also dont show any papers where you were admitted into the country legally, therefore your due process is complete.

Its really as simple as that.

You need a SS number to be able to use habeus? Lolz. Might want to take another crack at it.

You do make a good point that I made way back. Give them the habeus right there, right then. Nothing prevents that (except Trumps ego perhaps). if they dont make the bar at that instant available habeus, yeah --- EAA might be proper (at the moment, see below).

Better yet, have the President re-jigger the Executive Branch Art 2 immigration courts to have 'insto-presto' hearings, with counsel, at the point they are in mass detainment. Use the pre-existing framework of immigration law, but speed it up massively by that re-structure.

When the govt gets a valid removal order out of that, ship them out.

Due process is met. Explicit current immigration law is met. President has the power to reconfigure the Art 2 immigration courts in that manner. Criminy -- have a few hot seat Federal magistrates nearby to conduct insto presto habeus petitions.

The entire viability of using the EAA is still not decided. I guess some think the President might be able to proclaim a war by proclamation. Last I saw that is an act reserved for elsewhere.

(04-16-2025 08:16 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:50 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 09:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Exactly my point. We ignored immigration laws to let in maybe 20M unvetted illegals, and NOW the Dems are about enforcing immigration laws. Cherry picking. They came in illegally, so I have no issue with them going back the same way.

If a burglar breaks into my home at night, he's not going to get due process. He's going to get shot.

Its called enforcing the precept of law defined in the Constitution.

I am glad you are so vehemently against it.

What other rights in the Constitution do you think should be erased?

Did you know the Constitution encompasses all of North and South America? It even applies to those who are illegally here and it grants say a Venezuelan every right an American citizen has.

The Constitution does grant even illegal aliens some rights, sparky. Not every right, but a subset. Absolutely. That is simply fact.

Quote:That’s right, you can come to the US illegally with no passport and record of your past life and you will have the Constitutional rights everyone else in the country enjoys.

Nope. See above. But please stupidly polemicize some more.

Quote:But, how is that?

Well, it’s because stuffed shirts need a way to extract money from its citizens. You see, actually catching someone trespassing and removing them is too simplistic and no money is to be made.

Lolz. You are cute when you spout fever dream chip on your shoulder garbage.

Quote:Must be fun to don shades and defend idiocy.

I don shades and actually understand the Constitution. As opposed to rhetorically ranting and raving. Imagine that.

Quote:Even better when you’re soaked in hypocrisy and fervor while attempting it.

Fervor in defending the application of due process under the Constitution? Damn right there chuckles. Every day of the week. I guess you dont give a **** about that application. Cool cool.

In that respect Im glad you removed your ass from our court and legal system when you got your master's.

Wife of Kilmar Garcia petitioned for domestic violence protective order against him in 2021

Quote:The wife of Kilmar Garcia, a man who was deported from Maryland to his native El Salvador in March 14, has spoken out publicly to ask that he be returned to the US and their family. A GoFundMe crowdsourcing campaign has raised over $165,000. What Jenniefer Vasquez did not mention, however, is that she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him in 2021.

Revealing the information about the protective order in a post, Andy Ngo said "The wife of deported suspected gang terrorist Kilmar Abrego Garcia either lied to the court when she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him or she is lying now on the GoFundMe claiming he is an excellent husband as over $162K has poured in." The case detail shows that it was brought by Vasquez against Garcia in May 2021 for domestic violence. The case has since been closed.

Per The Chesepeake Today, "Jennifer Vasquez filed for a protective order due to domestic violence from her husband on May 13, 2021, and a final order was issued on June 17, 2021, by Prince George’s County District Court Judge LaKeecia Allen. Judge Allen was elevated to the Circuit Court on Aug. 1, 2024, by Maryland Governor Wes Moore. Judge Allen previously served as a prosecutor in the Prince George’s State’s Attorney’s Office."

In a press conference, Vasquez said "I will not stop fighting until I see my husband alive." She spoke directly to Garcia, saying "stay strong. God has not forgotten about you." She said she was "pleading with the Trump administration and the Bukele administration to stop playing political games with the life of Kilmar." Their children, she said, miss their father. "I hope that the strength of faith and the resilience within us will keep us standing after all the punches we continue to receive. Our ability to fight back against these governments are testimonies to the fight and strength that God has given us."

Vasquez is quoted in the fundraiser, saying "Kilmar is an excellent father. He has always been there for our three children and all of their needs. Two of them are on the autism spectrum (ages five and nine), and our third has epilepsy (age 10). Kilmar has been the main provider of our household and the love of my life for over seven years. Since our family has been separated, I have been devastated and confused. I lost my life partner, my children lost their father, and all of our family, neighbors, co-workers, and friends have been devastated due to this unjust family separation."

The GoFundMe was organized by the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. It notes that Garcia was a member of CASA, an advocacy group for "Black, Latino/a/e, Afro-descendent, Indigenous, and Immigrant communities." The fundraiser notes that "ICE is already trying to justify their actions by falsely labeling Kilmar a gang member—without any real evidence. But that's not who Kilmar is. He’s a father, a husband, and a hardworking union member."

In 2019, Garcia was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as he was standing outside a Maryland Home Depot trying to get work as a day laborer. At that time, an informant told police that Garcia was a member of notorious gang MS-13. A judge at that time said that the accusation "appears to be trustworthy and is supported," while Garcia's lawyers said it was false.

The judge denied bond for Garcia at that time because during bond hearings, Garcia "failed to meet his burden to show that he was not a danger." After that, Garcia was granted a withholding of removal, which meant that at the time, the Department of Homeland Security, under the first Trump administration, did not believe he was "a danger to the security of the United States."

The withholding of removal to his native El Salvador in 2019 was a protection given to Garcia because he had claimed that, when he was a minor in his home country, a gang had attempted to recruit him and extort his family. The recent deportation, per an admission from the Trump administration, overlooked that concern, calling it "an administrative error."

The Trump administration has said that since MS-13 was declared a terrorist organization, previous protections for members were no longer applicable. Critics say that Garcia's case would need to be reopened, his affiliation with the gang proven, before a deportation order could be enforced.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio as well as White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller have adivsed that Garcia is a legal citizen of El Salvador. The Supreme Court has since ruled that the Trump administration could "facilitate" the return of Garcia to Maryland should El Salvador release him from the prison where he is incarcerated. Speaking at the White House on Monday, El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele said that he would not be sending Garcia back to Maryland.

(04-16-2025 07:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 06:04 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 05:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 12:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  Again, take the L dude. You should be used to it by now.
Your interpretation of the ruling(s) is comical.

For the hearing impaired:


The Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were unlawful and reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither the Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador from El Salvador who, again, is a member of MS-13, as confirmed by the courts.

For the reading / comprehension impaired:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24...9_lkhn.pdf

Maybe point out *any* of what you regurgitate anywhere in the opinion.

Lolz. Too fing stupid to actually look at the base materials, and too fing stupid to think that what he regurgitates might not be correct. Double lolz.

Bravo.

By the way, the combined votes in Federal Court rulings is 14 judges that his due process rights were violated. 1 Dist. Ct, 3 members of the 4th Circ of Appeals, and 9 members of the SCOTUS.

Take you assbeating and move on, Ace.

I’ve really never seen a person who can’t admit they lost when it’s so plainly obvious.



Maybe the lib idiots planning a trip to pick the MS13 gang banger up need legal representation when get down there. You should apply. They’ve got DEI pilots, so there’s a perk for ya.

Literally one of the dumbest hills libs have picked to die on, ever.

Ill take that as you did not choose to even read the linked opinion. You could have saved us a lot of time and just said that, roidie.

Again, the hill you have chosen to die on, imploded.
Dude, as usual you’re just wrong, plain and simple.
You and your lib lunatic friends have been proven wrong. Plainly.

Just admit it and move to another TDS infested topic to look foolish on. You’re good at that. That’s one of your few skill sets, displaying your TDS affliction for everyone to point and laugh at.

(04-16-2025 09:52 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 06:04 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 05:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 12:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  Again, take the L dude. You should be used to it by now.
Your interpretation of the ruling(s) is comical.

For the hearing impaired:


The Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were unlawful and reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither the Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador from El Salvador who, again, is a member of MS-13, as confirmed by the courts.

For the reading / comprehension impaired:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24...9_lkhn.pdf

Maybe point out *any* of what you regurgitate anywhere in the opinion.

Lolz. Too fing stupid to actually look at the base materials, and too fing stupid to think that what he regurgitates might not be correct. Double lolz.

Bravo.

By the way, the combined votes in Federal Court rulings is 14 judges that his due process rights were violated. 1 Dist. Ct, 3 members of the 4th Circ of Appeals, and 9 members of the SCOTUS.

Take you assbeating and move on, Ace.

I’ve really never seen a person who can’t admit they lost when it’s so plainly obvious.



Maybe the lib idiots planning a trip to pick the MS13 gang banger up need legal representation when get down there. You should apply. They’ve got DEI pilots, so there’s a perk for ya.

Literally one of the dumbest hills libs have picked to die on, ever.

Ill take that as you did not choose to even read the linked opinion. You could have saved us a lot of time and just said that, roidie.

Again, the hill you have chosen to die on, imploded.
Dude, as usual you’re just wrong, plain and simple.
You and your lib lunatic friends have been proven wrong. Plainly.

Just admit it and move to another TDS infested topic to look foolish on. You’re good at that. That’s one of your few skill sets, displaying your TDS affliction for everyone to point and laugh at.

Nah let him keep digging.

(04-16-2025 09:52 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 06:04 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 05:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 12:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  Again, take the L dude. You should be used to it by now.
Your interpretation of the ruling(s) is comical.

For the hearing impaired:


The Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were unlawful and reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither the Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador from El Salvador who, again, is a member of MS-13, as confirmed by the courts.

For the reading / comprehension impaired:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24...9_lkhn.pdf

Maybe point out *any* of what you regurgitate anywhere in the opinion.

Lolz. Too fing stupid to actually look at the base materials, and too fing stupid to think that what he regurgitates might not be correct. Double lolz.

Bravo.

By the way, the combined votes in Federal Court rulings is 14 judges that his due process rights were violated. 1 Dist. Ct, 3 members of the 4th Circ of Appeals, and 9 members of the SCOTUS.

Take you assbeating and move on, Ace.

I’ve really never seen a person who can’t admit they lost when it’s so plainly obvious.



Maybe the lib idiots planning a trip to pick the MS13 gang banger up need legal representation when get down there. You should apply. They’ve got DEI pilots, so there’s a perk for ya.

Literally one of the dumbest hills libs have picked to die on, ever.

Ill take that as you did not choose to even read the linked opinion. You could have saved us a lot of time and just said that, roidie.

Again, the hill you have chosen to die on, imploded.
Dude, as usual you’re just wrong, plain and simple.
You and your lib lunatic friends have been proven wrong. Plainly.

Just admit it and move to another TDS infested topic to look foolish on. You’re good at that. That’s one of your few skill sets, displaying your TDS affliction for everyone to point and laugh at.

Its always fun discussing what a ruling says with a meathead who doesnt even bother to read the very short, very plainly worded ruling. Again, read the ruling. Show us where *any* of what you say is in it is. Should be easy. Even for someone of your mental comprehension.

You be you.

I am glad that insisting on due process for everyone, as required by the 14th amendment is a 'lib lunatic' position. Lolz. Cool cool.

(04-16-2025 10:01 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 09:52 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 06:04 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 05:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For the reading / comprehension impaired:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24...9_lkhn.pdf

Maybe point out *any* of what you regurgitate anywhere in the opinion.

Lolz. Too fing stupid to actually look at the base materials, and too fing stupid to think that what he regurgitates might not be correct. Double lolz.

Bravo.

By the way, the combined votes in Federal Court rulings is 14 judges that his due process rights were violated. 1 Dist. Ct, 3 members of the 4th Circ of Appeals, and 9 members of the SCOTUS.

Take you assbeating and move on, Ace.

I’ve really never seen a person who can’t admit they lost when it’s so plainly obvious.



Maybe the lib idiots planning a trip to pick the MS13 gang banger up need legal representation when get down there. You should apply. They’ve got DEI pilots, so there’s a perk for ya.

Literally one of the dumbest hills libs have picked to die on, ever.

Ill take that as you did not choose to even read the linked opinion. You could have saved us a lot of time and just said that, roidie.

Again, the hill you have chosen to die on, imploded.
Dude, as usual you’re just wrong, plain and simple.
You and your lib lunatic friends have been proven wrong. Plainly.

Just admit it and move to another TDS infested topic to look foolish on. You’re good at that. That’s one of your few skill sets, displaying your TDS affliction for everyone to point and laugh at.

Its always fun discussing what a ruling says with a meathead who doesnt even bother to read the very short, very plainly worded ruling. Again, read the ruling. Show us where *any* of what you say is in it is. Should be easy. Even for someone of your mental comprehension.

You be you.

I am glad that insisting on due process for everyone, as required by the 14th amendment is a 'lib lunatic' position. Lolz. Cool cool.

I can't tell if these guys are just pathetic trolls or really this ignorant. Not a good look either way.

(04-16-2025 09:35 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Wife of Kilmar Garcia petitioned for domestic violence protective order against him in 2021

Quote:The wife of Kilmar Garcia, a man who was deported from Maryland to his native El Salvador in March 14, has spoken out publicly to ask that he be returned to the US and their family. A GoFundMe crowdsourcing campaign has raised over $165,000. What Jenniefer Vasquez did not mention, however, is that she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him in 2021.

Revealing the information about the protective order in a post, Andy Ngo said "The wife of deported suspected gang terrorist Kilmar Abrego Garcia either lied to the court when she petitioned for a domestic violence protective order against him or she is lying now on the GoFundMe claiming he is an excellent husband as over $162K has poured in." The case detail shows that it was brought by Vasquez against Garcia in May 2021 for domestic violence. The case has since been closed.

Per The Chesepeake Today, "Jennifer Vasquez filed for a protective order due to domestic violence from her husband on May 13, 2021, and a final order was issued on June 17, 2021, by Prince George’s County District Court Judge LaKeecia Allen. Judge Allen was elevated to the Circuit Court on Aug. 1, 2024, by Maryland Governor Wes Moore. Judge Allen previously served as a prosecutor in the Prince George’s State’s Attorney’s Office."

In a press conference, Vasquez said "I will not stop fighting until I see my husband alive." She spoke directly to Garcia, saying "stay strong. God has not forgotten about you." She said she was "pleading with the Trump administration and the Bukele administration to stop playing political games with the life of Kilmar." Their children, she said, miss their father. "I hope that the strength of faith and the resilience within us will keep us standing after all the punches we continue to receive. Our ability to fight back against these governments are testimonies to the fight and strength that God has given us."

Vasquez is quoted in the fundraiser, saying "Kilmar is an excellent father. He has always been there for our three children and all of their needs. Two of them are on the autism spectrum (ages five and nine), and our third has epilepsy (age 10). Kilmar has been the main provider of our household and the love of my life for over seven years. Since our family has been separated, I have been devastated and confused. I lost my life partner, my children lost their father, and all of our family, neighbors, co-workers, and friends have been devastated due to this unjust family separation."

The GoFundMe was organized by the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. It notes that Garcia was a member of CASA, an advocacy group for "Black, Latino/a/e, Afro-descendent, Indigenous, and Immigrant communities." The fundraiser notes that "ICE is already trying to justify their actions by falsely labeling Kilmar a gang member—without any real evidence. But that's not who Kilmar is. He’s a father, a husband, and a hardworking union member."

In 2019, Garcia was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as he was standing outside a Maryland Home Depot trying to get work as a day laborer. At that time, an informant told police that Garcia was a member of notorious gang MS-13. A judge at that time said that the accusation "appears to be trustworthy and is supported," while Garcia's lawyers said it was false.

The judge denied bond for Garcia at that time because during bond hearings, Garcia "failed to meet his burden to show that he was not a danger." After that, Garcia was granted a withholding of removal, which meant that at the time, the Department of Homeland Security, under the first Trump administration, did not believe he was "a danger to the security of the United States."

The withholding of removal to his native El Salvador in 2019 was a protection given to Garcia because he had claimed that, when he was a minor in his home country, a gang had attempted to recruit him and extort his family. The recent deportation, per an admission from the Trump administration, overlooked that concern, calling it "an administrative error."

The Trump administration has said that since MS-13 was declared a terrorist organization, previous protections for members were no longer applicable. Critics say that Garcia's case would need to be reopened, his affiliation with the gang proven, before a deportation order could be enforced.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio as well as White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller have adivsed that Garcia is a legal citizen of El Salvador. The Supreme Court has since ruled that the Trump administration could "facilitate" the return of Garcia to Maryland should El Salvador release him from the prison where he is incarcerated. Speaking at the White House on Monday, El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele said that he would not be sending Garcia back to Maryland.

Bwhahahaha

Gay barbers and soccer players didn't do nuffin.


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(04-16-2025 08:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:29 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Strawman ******* argument bolded above. Different set of procedures, different rules. But leave it to the terminally ignorant to blather about it as such.

And Ill take it a step further -- if there *was* an actual invasion by a nation, or a war with a nation, the President has almost unfettered power to deport not just the 'invaders', but *any* national of that country we are at war with.

The ignorance and strawman arguments here are just mindboggling.

So 12-15 million in 4 years isn't an invasion?

WTF is it then?

Ohhh nevermind, it was purposeful treason

I guess you missed the phrase 'by a nation'. Perhaps pay bit more attention to the actual words. Or, just make **** up as you do above.

It's actually nation(s). Maybe pay attention to reality

Lolz. Sure thing tapatalk. It *is* a large number of individual actions by the equal number of a large number of individuals.

If you bothered, the authors of the EAA made it very clear that the Act applied to declared wars, undeclared wars and an invasion of the United Stats by a military of another nation, or an incursion by another nation, the president may act with deportations of foreign nationals.

Here is the text, note the inclusion of the phrase "foreign nation or government".

Quote:Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government

Double Lolz. The extent you work to simply make **** up is amazing overall, and even more pronounced here. Triple lolz.

Maybe try tethering the issue into the facts in the world and law, instead of stupidly broad metaphorical expansions and equally stupid as **** whiny diatribes based on those stupid as **** presumptions.

Adios Muchachos

Learn it

You know the argument you just made has zero chance if it's presented to SCOTUS... you know it but would never admit it.





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(04-16-2025 10:01 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 09:52 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 06:04 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 05:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  For the reading / comprehension impaired:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24...9_lkhn.pdf

Maybe point out *any* of what you regurgitate anywhere in the opinion.

Lolz. Too fing stupid to actually look at the base materials, and too fing stupid to think that what he regurgitates might not be correct. Double lolz.

Bravo.

By the way, the combined votes in Federal Court rulings is 14 judges that his due process rights were violated. 1 Dist. Ct, 3 members of the 4th Circ of Appeals, and 9 members of the SCOTUS.

Take you assbeating and move on, Ace.

I’ve really never seen a person who can’t admit they lost when it’s so plainly obvious.



Maybe the lib idiots planning a trip to pick the MS13 gang banger up need legal representation when get down there. You should apply. They’ve got DEI pilots, so there’s a perk for ya.

Literally one of the dumbest hills libs have picked to die on, ever.

Ill take that as you did not choose to even read the linked opinion. You could have saved us a lot of time and just said that, roidie.

Again, the hill you have chosen to die on, imploded.
Dude, as usual you’re just wrong, plain and simple.
You and your lib lunatic friends have been proven wrong. Plainly.

Just admit it and move to another TDS infested topic to look foolish on. You’re good at that. That’s one of your few skill sets, displaying your TDS affliction for everyone to point and laugh at.

Its always fun discussing what a ruling says with a meathead who doesnt even bother to read the very short, very plainly worded ruling. Again, read the ruling. Show us where *any* of what you say is in it is. Should be easy. Even for someone of your mental comprehension.

You be you.

I am glad that insisting on due process for everyone, as required by the 14th amendment is a 'lib lunatic' position. Lolz. Cool cool.

(04-16-2025 10:56 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:29 PM)maximus Wrote:  So 12-15 million in 4 years isn't an invasion?

WTF is it then?

Ohhh nevermind, it was purposeful treason

I guess you missed the phrase 'by a nation'. Perhaps pay bit more attention to the actual words. Or, just make **** up as you do above.

It's actually nation(s). Maybe pay attention to reality

Lolz. Sure thing tapatalk. It *is* a large number of individual actions by the equal number of a large number of individuals.

If you bothered, the authors of the EAA made it very clear that the Act applied to declared wars, undeclared wars and an invasion of the United Stats by a military of another nation, or an incursion by another nation, the president may act with deportations of foreign nationals.

Here is the text, note the inclusion of the phrase "foreign nation or government".

Quote:Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government

Double Lolz. The extent you work to simply make **** up is amazing overall, and even more pronounced here. Triple lolz.

Maybe try tethering the issue into the facts in the world and law, instead of stupidly broad metaphorical expansions and equally stupid as **** whiny diatribes based on those stupid as **** presumptions.

Adios Muchachos

Learn it

You know the argument you just made has zero chance if it's presented to SCOTUS... you know it but would never admit it.





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A monument to stupidity. I hope this goes 1000 pages

Muh due process

A sociopath narcissists dream

(04-16-2025 10:56 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 06:29 PM)maximus Wrote:  So 12-15 million in 4 years isn't an invasion?

WTF is it then?

Ohhh nevermind, it was purposeful treason

I guess you missed the phrase 'by a nation'. Perhaps pay bit more attention to the actual words. Or, just make **** up as you do above.

It's actually nation(s). Maybe pay attention to reality

Lolz. Sure thing tapatalk. It *is* a large number of individual actions by the equal number of a large number of individuals.

If you bothered, the authors of the EAA made it very clear that the Act applied to declared wars, undeclared wars and an invasion of the United Stats by a military of another nation, or an incursion by another nation, the president may act with deportations of foreign nationals.

Here is the text, note the inclusion of the phrase "foreign nation or government".

Quote:Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government

Double Lolz. The extent you work to simply make **** up is amazing overall, and even more pronounced here. Triple lolz.

Maybe try tethering the issue into the facts in the world and law, instead of stupidly broad metaphorical expansions and equally stupid as **** whiny diatribes based on those stupid as **** presumptions.

Adios Muchachos

Learn it

You know the argument you just made has zero chance if it's presented to SCOTUS... you know it but would never admit it.

That the phrase 'with a foreign country' doesnt mean 'with a foreign country'? Cool cool.

I doubt they will ignore the phrase 'with a foreign country' that is in the law. And I doubt that they extend the term 'invasion' to some stupid ass thin gruel metaphorical and rhetorical 'invasion'.

You are free to think otherwise of course.

(04-16-2025 11:10 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 10:56 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 08:00 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-16-2025 07:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess you missed the phrase 'by a nation'. Perhaps pay bit more attention to the actual words. Or, just make **** up as you do above.

It's actually nation(s). Maybe pay attention to reality

Lolz. Sure thing tapatalk. It *is* a large number of individual actions by the equal number of a large number of individuals.

If you bothered, the authors of the EAA made it very clear that the Act applied to declared wars, undeclared wars and an invasion of the United Stats by a military of another nation, or an incursion by another nation, the president may act with deportations of foreign nationals.

Here is the text, note the inclusion of the phrase "foreign nation or government".

Quote:Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government

Double Lolz. The extent you work to simply make **** up is amazing overall, and even more pronounced here. Triple lolz.

Maybe try tethering the issue into the facts in the world and law, instead of stupidly broad metaphorical expansions and equally stupid as **** whiny diatribes based on those stupid as **** presumptions.

Adios Muchachos

Learn it

You know the argument you just made has zero chance if it's presented to SCOTUS... you know it but would never admit it.

That the phrase 'with a foreign country' doesnt mean 'with a foreign country'? Cool cool.

I doubt they will ignore the phrase 'with another country' that is in the law. And I doubt that they extend the term 'invasion' to some stupid ass thin gruel metaphorical and rhetorical 'invasion'.

You are free to think otherwise of course.

You are free to keep getting laughed at too. Please continue.

Tanq, I gave up on you when you blew off the gent who has worked for DHS for 20 years. I'm sure chasing ambulances all those years made you understand better than he about his own department's business. You didn't give him one second's consideration.

Boom

(04-16-2025 11:20 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

Boom

This thought process is what made me shift gears from due process in all circumstances to figuring this is an emergency situation that should be handled differently for national security reasons.

If you break our laws to become an “immigrant” you have no rights. You forfeited any rights when you broke into the country. The best we should be expected to do is load you and send you home.

You break into our country you’re no different from a common thief. “Well he’s only looking for a better life”. You can say the same thing about a bank robber or embezzler.

They’re all “looking for a better life”.