(04-15-2025 03:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Take note, lefties. Here is another example where I disagree with Trump. (The other one is here.)

You can't be deporting American citizens to prisons in other countries.

I agree with you on this

I'm honestly not the biggest fan of deporting people into a legal black hole, illegal immigrant or not

(04-15-2025 03:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Whether you love or hate Miller, he is right on this individual case
Trump administration admitted they should not have deported the individual to El Salvador
However, no Court can order the POTUS to ask the President of another Country to do anything regarding to a citizen of another country.
There is no LEGAL remedy to the administrative error that occurred

Could Trump ask for the release of the individual deported, sure he could
If Trump asked for the release of the individual deported would the El Savadorian President comply with the request, most likely
All of this would be a foreign policy request as opposed to complying with any type of law
And no court can force POTUS to exercise foreign policy powers to correct an administrative error with no legal remedy

Trump is basically daring the District Court judge to tell him how to handle foreign policy when he knows that is a black and white issue, POTUS runs the show on foreign policy
He wants the judge to overstep so the SCOTUS has no option but to rebuke the judge, thereby establishing major precedent moving foward
The District Court judge is throwing a hissy because they know they cannot force the return...and is doing everything they can to make day to day operations difficult

Miller is annoying, but very smart, and usually right.

All I know is the judge is reportedly working up to a stroke in court right now.

If an army stormed the border some idiots would scream muh due process. You cant shoot them.

We lived in a country with a great deal of warped stupid people.

We need a war.

(04-15-2025 04:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If an army stormed the border some idiots would scream muh due process. You cant shoot them.

We lived in a country with a great deal of warped stupid people.

We need a war.

Only if they were able to step a single foot on our sovereign soil...

Then muh due process

That's the problem here, these millions of single male invaders were allowed in on purpose and even flown in under the ridiculous guise of muh asylum, no shots fired invasion.



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Dana Perino just said something interesting. She said Biden eliminated the border and allowed maybe 20M people to cross our borders completely unvetted, so NOW we have to vet everyone on the way out?

This is the thought that changed my mind about due process. Usually with immigration, we vet them on the way in, and it's a long detailed process. They get in by earning it. Those people deserve due process.

These people broke into our country through a faulty door in our house. They don't deserve due process.

(04-15-2025 04:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dana Perino just said something interesting. She said Biden eliminated the border and allowed maybe 20M people to cross our borders completely unvetted, so NOW we have to vet everyone on the way out?

This is the thought that changed my mind about due process. Usually with immigration, we vet them on the way in, and it's a long detailed process. They get in by earning it. Those people deserve due process.

These people broke into our country through a faulty door in our house. They don't deserve due process.

It's a game and the attorneys make chow and laugh all the way to the USAID bank.

It's a lot like the insane squatter laws that allow someone to literally move into your home and you can't make them leave.





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(04-15-2025 04:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dana Perino just said something interesting. She said Biden eliminated the border and allowed maybe 20M people to cross our borders completely unvetted, so NOW we have to vet everyone on the way out?

This is the thought that changed my mind about due process. Usually with immigration, we vet them on the way in, and it's a long detailed process. They get in by earning it. Those people deserve due process.

These people broke into our country through a faulty door in our house. They don't deserve due process.

A Judge's Order Stopping the Repatriation of Illegals Lays Bare Our Two-Tiered Justice System

Quote:An Obama-appointed federal judge halted President Trump's order to cancel an arbitrary parole program put in place by Joe Biden to facilitate an endless flow of Cuban, Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan migrants into the United States. The Monday order by Massachusetts district court judge Indira Talwani halted enforcement of President Trump's Executive Order 14165, titled Securing Our Borders by requiring that paroles be revoked after an individual hearing. If upheld, this order ends President Trump's efforts to repatriate some 530,000 immigrants; see Another Federal Court Blocks Trump's Immigration Agenda in Nationwide Ruling—Without Calling It That – RedState. This judge's order is of dubious legality, but that doesn't matter. What it underscores is that the Deep State is active, it is Democrat-run, and it binds future presidents to illegal and capricious actions.

The Biden CHNV parole program is not a law. Parole is a discretionary act, let me say that again, parole is a discretionary act by the Secretary of Homeland Security to allow "an individual, who may be inadmissible or otherwise ineligible for admission into the United States, to be paroled into the United States for a temporary period." As the Immigration and Naturalization Act makes clear, "parole does not provide any permanent pathway to remain in the United States and can be revoked or not renewed should DHS decide that it is no longer warranted or if the beneficiary violates the conditions of the parole."

To get paroled into the United States, you must undergo an individual interview and have a sponsor. Biden allowed anyone who could afford a plane ticket to come to the United States, and the requirement for a sponsor was never enforced as a noxious web of USAID-funded non-profits fulfilled that function.

Let's review the bidding. Biden creates a facially illegal and purely discretionary program. He brings in a half-million Third World illegals who are, according to the definition of the program, "inadmissible or otherwise ineligible for admission." President Trump, supported by the secretary of homeland security, orders an end to the program and jumps through the administrative hoops of using a Federal Register announcement to reverse Biden's purely discretionary program and a Deep State, or Deep State-adjacent federal judge says he can't and requires an individual interview to end the paroles, which is not required by law, when they never received the legally require individual parole.

This is not new. Barack Obama created the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals program (DACA or Dreamers) out of whole cloth. It is simply a scheme whereby the federal government covers its eyes and pretends these people don't exist. This program was not created by executive order, law, or administrative rulemaking. Nope. Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano issued a freakin memo directing that "prosecutorial discretion" be exercised. However, when Jeff Sessions got around to pulling the plug on DACA, lawfare ensued, and the administration was told it could not rescind the Napolitano memo.

Just stop for a moment and consider this. Federal courts literally told the Trump administration that they could not rescind a memo written five years and three Homeland Security secretaries earlier. Logically, this means a cabinet secretary’s memo is more powerful than an actual law because it takes no consensus to issue it, and it can’t be withdrawn when management changes. To make matters worse, the Roberts Court, in a 5-4 decision, upheld the logically ridiculous notion that the whim of a Democrat president has the same standing, in terms of permanence, as the Constitution.

We clearly have a two-tiered justice system. Not only do BLM rioters get a pass while pro-life grannies go to jail for demonstrating peacefully outside an abortion center, the president himself has his decision treated with derision by the federal courts while all manner of Democrat humbug receives the adulation of our black-robed overseers.

Judge Blocking Trump’s Deportation Of Foreign Nationals Donated To Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren

Quote:The Democrat judge attempting to block President Donald Trump’s termination of a Biden-era immigration program previously donated to President Barack Obama and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s respective political campaigns, The Federalist has learned.

On Monday, District Court Judge Indira Talwani, an Obama appointee, issued a stay on the Trump administration’s efforts to terminate the legal status of approximately 530,000 foreign nationals allowed into the U.S. under the Biden administration’s CHNV parole program. According to Fox News, these noncitizens and their immediate family members originate from “Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.”

As noted by the outlet, “The program was temporarily paused after widespread fraud was found. Several recipients were also arrested for high-profile crimes, including multiple child rapes.”

In her ruling, Talwani justified her issuance of a stay by effectively arguing that the Trump administration must initiate a “case-by-case review” of each individual granted access to America under the program and cannot issue a blanket revocation of the enrolled individuals’ legal statuses and work permits.

“The Termination of Parole Processes for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans, 90 Fed. Reg. 13611 (Mar. 25, 2025), is hereby STAYED pending further court order insofar as it revokes, without case-by-case review, the previously granted parole and work authorization issued to noncitizens paroled into the United States pursuant to parole programs for noncitizens from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela (the ‘CHNV parole programs’) prior to the noncitizen’s originally stated parole end date,” Talwani wrote.

The Obama appointee signaled she would issue a stay in the case last week, according to the Associated Press.

While unsurprising given the president who nominated her, Talwani’s left-wing partisanship was evident well before her May 2014 confirmation by the U.S. Senate. In fact, Federal Election Commission (FEC) records reviewed by The Federalist show that Talwani previously donated to several Democrat politicians and causes in the years before becoming a federal judge.

While working at a private law firm, for instance, Talwani made three donations totaling $350 (from 2011 to 2012) to the 2012 Senate campaign of now-Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

According to local Massachusetts media, Warren was the senator who recommended Talwani’s nomination for the judgeship she now holds. In a reported statement reacting to Talwani’s nomination, the Democrat senator praised Talwani and a Massachusetts-based district attorney also tapped for a federal judgeship by Obama for their “diverse professional backgrounds, strong ties to the community, and impressive legal careers.”

FEC records also show that Talwani made a $100 donation to Obama’s first presidential campaign in September 2008. The filings further indicate that Talwani made several donations to the Democratic National Committee from 2010 to 2011, which totaled $275.

(04-15-2025 04:28 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 04:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dana Perino just said something interesting. She said Biden eliminated the border and allowed maybe 20M people to cross our borders completely unvetted, so NOW we have to vet everyone on the way out?

This is the thought that changed my mind about due process. Usually with immigration, we vet them on the way in, and it's a long detailed process. They get in by earning it. Those people deserve due process.

These people broke into our country through a faulty door in our house. They don't deserve due process.

It's a game and the attorneys make chow and laugh all the way to the USAID bank.

It's a lot like the insane squatter laws that allow someone to literally move into your home and you can't make them leave.





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Good point. I can't surmise that the people who wrote the legislation for due process envisioned this sort of situation.

(04-15-2025 04:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 04:28 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 04:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dana Perino just said something interesting. She said Biden eliminated the border and allowed maybe 20M people to cross our borders completely unvetted, so NOW we have to vet everyone on the way out?

This is the thought that changed my mind about due process. Usually with immigration, we vet them on the way in, and it's a long detailed process. They get in by earning it. Those people deserve due process.

These people broke into our country through a faulty door in our house. They don't deserve due process.

It's a game and the attorneys make chow and laugh all the way to the USAID bank.

It's a lot like the insane squatter laws that allow someone to literally move into your home and you can't make them leave.





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Good point. I can't surmise that the people who wrote the legislation for due process envisioned this sort of situation.

You mean prog filth mental illness.

Nah, i doubt it

Person.....there is person in outer mongolia not getting due process. Some judge will force Trump to go get him.

Its all so retarded this thread iss ridiculous

Judge to Trump Officials: No Contempt of Court Over Deported Illegal, but 'Buckle Up' For What's Next

Quote:"Buckle up."

Those were the words of U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis on Tuesday afternoon as she addressed Trump administration officials and lawyers for the now-deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia as the two sides tussle over what should be done with the MS-13-adjacent illegal now residing in El Salvador's CECOT mega prison. It should be noted that Abrego Garcia is now back in his homeland and was never a legal resident of the United States.

Lawyers for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) arrived at the hearing in Greenbelt, Maryland, ready to defend the administration's actions that resulted in Abrego Garcia being deported back in March. Let's do a brief recap before moving on to what Judge Xinis determined to be the next steps.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia illegally entered the U.S. in 2011 when he was 16 years old, and was arrested in Maryland in 2019 while soliciting work as a day laborer in the parking lot of a Home Depot. At that time, an immigration judge found sufficient evidence that the illegal was involved with MS-13 and issued a deportation order; that order was later upheld by another immigration court. An effort by Abrego Garcia to seek asylum in the U.S. was denied, but a judge did grant him a "withholding of removal" status, which prevented his being sent back to his native El Salvador for fear he'd be targeted by rival gangs.

So, that seems to settle the matter of whether or not Mr. Abrego Garcia was affiliated with MS-13. He was. And the U.S. had every legal right to deport him. The gray area the DOJ finds itself in is whether or not he should have been sent back to his homeland or to some other third world hellhole.

After the Trump administration deported Abrego Garcia back to El Salvador, the left went into full meltdown over this poor, innocent "Maryland dad" who was "kidnapped" by ICE and DHS. Out goes CEO-killer Luigi Mangione as the left's martyr du jour and in comes gangbanger Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The left insists on being on the wrong side of absolutely everything -- it's their gift.

Going into Tuesday's hearing in Judge Xinis's courtroom, Acting DHS General Counsel Joseph Mazzarra filed a declaration that laid out in pretty clear detail what the Trump administration would do if Abrego Garcia was released from CECOT or otherwise returned to the United States. In short, he'd either be taken into custody and sent to one of the afore-mentioned third world hellholes or his "withholding of removal" order would be terminated and he'd be sent right back to CECOT.

Xinis decided that she would not hold administration officials in contempt of court for failing to return the illegal by her April 7 deadline, but also warned that the two sides were in for an intensive, two-week period of discovery.

“We have to give process to both sides. But we are going to move,” US District Judge Paula Xinis said at a hearing in her Greenbelt, Maryland, courtroom Tuesday afternoon.

“There will be no tolerance for gamesmanship or grandstanding.”

Here's more from the judge:

Outside the courtroom, a smattering of the usual suspects, probably fresh off of torching Tesla dealerships, gathered to worship at the altar of an illegal alien gang member. And the illegal alien's bride vowed she would never give up on getting her husband back to the U.S., saying: “Today is 34 days after this disappearance…I will not stop fighting until I see my husband alive.”

Democrats Have Lost Their Minds Over Deported El Salvadorian Man, and Things Just Got Much Worse

Too bad the Dems don't fight this hard for actual Americans.

She has to read her statement, why would she have to do that? Is a statement being prepared for her by others? Hey, maybe she should apply for an El Salvador visa?

(04-15-2025 12:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  Again, take the L dude. You should be used to it by now.
Your interpretation of the ruling(s) is comical.

For the hearing impaired:


The Supreme Court said the district court order was unlawful and its main components were unlawful and reversed 9-0 unanimously, stating clearly that neither the Secretary of State nor the President could be compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El Salvador from El Salvador who, again, is a member of MS-13, as confirmed by the courts.

For the reading / comprehension impaired:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24...9_lkhn.pdf

Maybe point out *any* of what you regurgitate anywhere in the opinion.

Lolz. Too fing stupid to actually look at the base materials, and too fing stupid to think that what he regurgitates might not be correct. Double lolz.

Bravo.

By the way, the combined votes in Federal Court rulings is 14 judges that his due process rights were violated. 1 Dist. Ct, 3 members of the 4th Circ of Appeals, and 9 members of the SCOTUS.

Deport her too

(04-15-2025 12:41 PM)Trojanbybirth Wrote:  I'll trade you "any person" for "shall not be infringed".

Do you think I am an anti- 2A guy? Lolz.

Ill take the literal meaning of both of them. Funny that. Im not politically selective in deciding to **** on one part of the Constitution and support another. Im one of those dudes that think all of it needs to be followed.


But glad to see that you think that you seemingly think the fight that finally won out in Heller, and McDonald, and Bruen is such a chip on the shoulder to ignore the issue of "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". Cool cool.

(04-15-2025 01:47 PM)maximus Wrote:  .... the "immigration system" was formed by a bunch of backward laws written by "attorneys," the immigration courts and appeals courts led by ..... "attorneys" who are now judges, the lovely gang members are represented by immigration... "attorneys", "attorneys" sue local jurisdictions to discourage enforcement of laws, "attorneys" helped craft sanctuary city policies

I could go on for days, but I'd say there is a problem here but I can't put my finger on it

One of the larger ones is the chip on your shoulder the size of a large county, to begin with.

(04-15-2025 05:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Too bad the Dems don't fight this hard for actual Americans.

Citizens be damned.

How about prosecuting those officials who allowed the invasion of our country?

It should have already started. I'm sick of this ****.

Ohhhh merrrr gaaawd but the gang member from El Salvador. **** him, how about the 6 figures I have to pay this ******* government to help house these *******. Do it get relief if I don't contribute to that?

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(04-15-2025 05:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 01:47 PM)maximus Wrote:  .... the "immigration system" was formed by a bunch of backward laws written by "attorneys," the immigration courts and appeals courts led by ..... "attorneys" who are now judges, the lovely gang members are represented by immigration... "attorneys", "attorneys" sue local jurisdictions to discourage enforcement of laws, "attorneys" helped craft sanctuary city policies

I could go on for days, but I'd say there is a problem here but I can't put my finger on it

One of the larger ones is the chip on your shoulder the size of a large county, to begin with.

The effin irony

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(04-15-2025 05:48 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-15-2025 12:41 PM)Trojanbybirth Wrote:  I'll trade you "any person" for "shall not be infringed".

Do you think I am an anti- 2A guy? Lolz.

Ill take the literal meaning of both of them. Funny that. Im not politically selective in deciding to **** on one part of the Constitution and support another. Im one of those dudes that think all of it needs to be followed.


But glad to see that you think that you seemingly think the fight that finally won out in Heller, and McDonald, and Bruen is such a chip on the shoulder to ignore the issue of "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". Cool cool.

So if they drag his ass back, sit him down at a folding table, let him plead his case, order him deported 5 minutes later, then walk him back across the border where he entered.....

You'll stfu?

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(04-15-2025 02:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey Tanq, does the 9/11 murderer sitting in a cell at Gitmo without a trial for 20+ years count as "all persons?"

If he was apprehended in the US, yes. If not, no. Pretty easy

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And the one you're arguing about has already been IDed as MS-13 in a court proceeding, so there's your due process. Terrorist org.

Wrong, yet again. Please sling some more rando **** against the wall.

Quote:Andy McCarthy and John Yoo both said due process does NOT apply equally to all persons. Circumstances vary. Oops.

No one has ever said that there is 'equal due process' to all persons. That point was correctly brought up by Redbanks(?) in the issue with the law review article he posted. And repeated by the 20 year DHS pro.

And to repeat -- the Dist judge has ruled Abrego did not receive due process; the 3 judges of the 4th Circ. Ct. of Appeals ruled that Abrego did not receive due process, and the SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that it backed the Dist Ct ruling.