^^ Hegseth clarified this in a walk-by Q&A in Hawaii just a few minutes ago. He said it's not war plans and not attack plans. He sees both every day, but he does NOT create them, and when he gives updates to NS officials, it is a general update, not the specifics seen in the actual plans.

(03-26-2025 12:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 12:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 12:20 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 12:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 12:08 PM)mlb Wrote:  The screenshots prove that isn't true. Pete Hegseth is fully spelled out.

He originated the call. The others are IDed by initials. Show me another full name.

And I said that by listening to testimony yesterday. Under oath from NSA officials.

JD Vance. Michael Waltz. John Ratcliff.

All are in by their full name. I believe the names are whatever the user entered them as when they created their account.

Well, then the testimony was incorrect.

I think you're catching on. Just because the letter after their name changed from a D to an R doesn't mean you can suddenly trust government officials when covering their asses.

I agree. This smells to the high heavens. I don’t trust the “honest mistake” bs for a minute.

(03-26-2025 01:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ Hegseth clarified this in a walk-by Q&A in Hawaii just a few minutes ago. He said it's not war plans and not attack plans. He sees both every day, but he does NOT create them, and when he gives updates to NS officials, it is a general update, not the specifics seen in the actual plans.

(03-26-2025 01:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ Hegseth clarified this in a walk-by Q&A in Hawaii just a few minutes ago. He said it's not war plans and not attack plans. He sees both every day, but he does NOT create them, and when he gives updates to NS officials, it is a general update, not the specifics seen in the actual plans.

It still had launch times, times that the bombs would land, etc... not information you would want the enemy to know. Even if they didn't know the exact target they would know an operation was about to be underway and to "batton down the hatches", so to speak.

(03-26-2025 01:18 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 01:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ Hegseth clarified this in a walk-by Q&A in Hawaii just a few minutes ago. He said it's not war plans and not attack plans. He sees both every day, but he does NOT create them, and when he gives updates to NS officials, it is a general update, not the specifics seen in the actual plans.

It still had launch times, times that the bombs would land, etc... not information you would want the enemy to know. Even if they didn't know the exact target they would know an operation was about to be underway and to "batton down the hatches", so to speak.

Go read the other thread.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008465.html

You might change your mind. NOTHING in that update was classified. Verified.

It just said we were going to attack unknown targets in unknown locations at certain times today, and then some unspecified later times.

Ignore this thread and move to the other one. Updated info there. Practically everything debated in this thread is overcome by info with more clarity.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008465.html

(03-26-2025 01:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ignore this thread and move to the other one. Updated info there. Practically everything debated in this thread is overcome by info with more clarity.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008465.html

Twitter...RedState...Gateway Pundit...

(03-26-2025 01:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 01:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ignore this thread and move to the other one. Updated info there. Practically everything debated in this thread is overcome by info with more clarity.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008465.html

Twitter...RedState...Gateway Pundit...

Twitter? Does Twitter actually make posts? Those are directly from Hegseth, Vance and Waltz.

And you're depending on The Atlantic, the mag that hates Trump more than any other, and whose owner is one of Kamala's besties.

And the one whose owner said she bought it to shape cultural thinking in the US.

(03-26-2025 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 11:23 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Having worked in both the Biden and Obama administrations I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt that they used every option available to them (including platforms much less safe than Signal) to subvert FOIA and intentionally keep comms off the government grid.

I would be very surprised if the Trump team used personal phones. We do have the ability to talk classified on specific cell phones but they're not really used for messaging. My unclass gov phone is controlled by my IT including all applications, messaging apps, etc on the phone. Signal doesn't require a password but you can require a pin to be used to access and of course someone would have to physically have access to the gov phone and be able to get into it, which is nearly impossible. You're not getting Signal messages remotely. The encryption is beyond even what the best AI can crack right now. FBI has had an immense amount of ass pain just trying to decrypt iphone passcodes which insanely difficult and orders of magnitude easier than decrypting Signal messages.

I've seen the messages. I don't think anything in there was TS much less compartmented. That's nothing but an attempt to make them look bad. But they definitely teetered the line on S/NF. And POTUS acknowledge it was a screw up and that they'll not make the same mistake again. It's amazing that when you're winning everyday the smallest of missteps becomes the only news story.

So...if this could be so easily explained away as you claim, why can't this supposedly awesome administration seem to come anywhere close to providing a clear and concise statement addressing it as such? They've had basically two days now.

I think you know why.

The answer is you're an idiot and can't comprehend basic common sense. The President's statement was pretty damn clear and concise. He confronted it head on, no doubt articulated his expectations, and moving on. If that isn't clear to you then there's nothing this board can do to help you. But then again that's been demonstrated a thousand times over.

(03-26-2025 01:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 01:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 01:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ignore this thread and move to the other one. Updated info there. Practically everything debated in this thread is overcome by info with more clarity.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-1008465.html

Twitter...RedState...Gateway Pundit...

Twitter? Does Twitter actually make posts? Those are directly from Hegseth, Vance and Waltz.

And you're depending on The Atlantic, the mag that hates Trump more than any other, and whose owner is one of Kamala's besties.

And the one whose owner said she bought it to shape cultural thinking in the US.

All true but the Atlantic supports his view so it's okay that they are biased.

(03-26-2025 01:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 11:23 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Having worked in both the Biden and Obama administrations I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt that they used every option available to them (including platforms much less safe than Signal) to subvert FOIA and intentionally keep comms off the government grid.

I would be very surprised if the Trump team used personal phones. We do have the ability to talk classified on specific cell phones but they're not really used for messaging. My unclass gov phone is controlled by my IT including all applications, messaging apps, etc on the phone. Signal doesn't require a password but you can require a pin to be used to access and of course someone would have to physically have access to the gov phone and be able to get into it, which is nearly impossible. You're not getting Signal messages remotely. The encryption is beyond even what the best AI can crack right now. FBI has had an immense amount of ass pain just trying to decrypt iphone passcodes which insanely difficult and orders of magnitude easier than decrypting Signal messages.

I've seen the messages. I don't think anything in there was TS much less compartmented. That's nothing but an attempt to make them look bad. But they definitely teetered the line on S/NF. And POTUS acknowledge it was a screw up and that they'll not make the same mistake again. It's amazing that when you're winning everyday the smallest of missteps becomes the only news story.

So...if this could be so easily explained away as you claim, why can't this supposedly awesome administration seem to come anywhere close to providing a clear and concise statement addressing it as such? They've had basically two days now.

I think you know why.

The answer is you're an idiot and can't comprehend basic common sense. The President's statement was pretty damn clear and concise. He confronted it head on, no doubt articulated his expectations, and moving on. If that isn't clear to you then there's nothing this board can do to help you. But then again that's been demonstrated a thousand times over.

He's nothing but a Troll, that's all he is and for ever will be.

(03-26-2025 02:06 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 01:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2025 11:23 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Having worked in both the Biden and Obama administrations I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt that they used every option available to them (including platforms much less safe than Signal) to subvert FOIA and intentionally keep comms off the government grid.

I would be very surprised if the Trump team used personal phones. We do have the ability to talk classified on specific cell phones but they're not really used for messaging. My unclass gov phone is controlled by my IT including all applications, messaging apps, etc on the phone. Signal doesn't require a password but you can require a pin to be used to access and of course someone would have to physically have access to the gov phone and be able to get into it, which is nearly impossible. You're not getting Signal messages remotely. The encryption is beyond even what the best AI can crack right now. FBI has had an immense amount of ass pain just trying to decrypt iphone passcodes which insanely difficult and orders of magnitude easier than decrypting Signal messages.

I've seen the messages. I don't think anything in there was TS much less compartmented. That's nothing but an attempt to make them look bad. But they definitely teetered the line on S/NF. And POTUS acknowledge it was a screw up and that they'll not make the same mistake again. It's amazing that when you're winning everyday the smallest of missteps becomes the only news story.

So...if this could be so easily explained away as you claim, why can't this supposedly awesome administration seem to come anywhere close to providing a clear and concise statement addressing it as such? They've had basically two days now.

I think you know why.

The answer is you're an idiot and can't comprehend basic common sense. The President's statement was pretty damn clear and concise. He confronted it head on, no doubt articulated his expectations, and moving on. If that isn't clear to you then there's nothing this board can do to help you. But then again that's been demonstrated a thousand times over.

He's nothing but a Troll, that's all he is and for ever will be.

Yes, and he REALLY sucks at that.

They have nothing real to scream about.

From Mark Penn’s X account

Seriously

You think that Jeffrey Goldberg got added to a high-level national security conversation by chance? Maybe you thought Covid was from the wet market and not from the lab that was right there and contained Covid-like viruses.

The chance that this was done by an operative looking to embarrass the administration is about 90 per cent. The chance someone added him because they were looking for another Jeffrey is about 10 per cent.

This was a security breach but most likely one by a partisan trying to undermine the administration than by the participants on the chain. I’m not a conspiracy theorist — I just play the odds and the odds it was an innocent mistake are low and deliberate act are high. Of course, though, I’m waiting for the final answer.

Seems like the logical bet. Trump haters just won't give up.

(03-26-2025 06:04 PM)No Bull Wrote:  From Mark Penn’s X account

Seriously

You think that Jeffrey Goldberg got added to a high-level national security conversation by chance? Maybe you thought Covid was from the wet market and not from the lab that was right there and contained Covid-like viruses.

The chance that this was done by an operative looking to embarrass the administration is about 90 per cent. The chance someone added him because they were looking for another Jeffrey is about 10 per cent.

This was a security breach but most likely one by a partisan trying to undermine the administration than by the participants on the chain. I’m not a conspiracy theorist — I just play the odds and the odds it was an innocent mistake are low and deliberate act are high. Of course, though, I’m waiting for the final answer.

Yep. But if you tell the leftists on this board that, you'll get gaslit to hell and back.

One more thing: It just goes to show that Jeffrey Goldberg is, yet again, a bullsh!t artist. "War plans," my lilywhite ass.

(03-26-2025 06:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

I can never decide who is worse. Elvis? Tom? Elvis? Tom? It's such a hard choice.