(11-17-2024 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 300 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

And realistically, they really don't need to go all the way to Moscow or St. Petersburg. Better to use small drones on key targets. The logistics and troop staging areas should be within about 100 miles and its insane to let Russia have sanctuaries. That is what we did in the Vietnamese and Korean wars. And Ukraine is not the US.

Brilliant.

(11-17-2024 06:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 300 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

And realistically, they really don't need to go all the way to Moscow or St. Petersburg. Better to use small drones on key targets. The logistics and troop staging areas should be within about 100 miles and its insane to let Russia have sanctuaries. That is what we did in the Vietnamese and Korean wars. And Ukraine is not the US.

Brilliant.

I noticed that to, it was like what.

(11-17-2024 06:23 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

Came here to say this same thing. Let me add, then they will blame Trump for it.

They can try to blame Trump---but the last election showed us silly media narratives that are clearly BS are going to be just another reason the public no longer trusts legacy media.

Btw---I dont see a WWIII. The Russians man and equipment losses of the last 3 years suggest that Russia has largely lost the means to take on NATO with their conventional forces. But that is besides the point. Russia knows they really have no concerns about being invaded by NATO---and they would have never invaded Ukraine if they thought NATO would actually directly intervene. With their hands completely full just battling Ukraine alone, the last thing the Russians want is direct conflict with all of NATO.

Putin has aimed to get what he can through the aggressive use of his military combined with a little nuclear bluster when needed. Thats been more than enough with a weak president like Biden leading NATO (often leading from the rear). Putin has managed to get 20% of Ukraine that way without any real risk to his nation. Well, that has changed with todays announcement---and even todays announcement is only an incremental change. Not enough to cause the Russians to immediately lose interest in more war---but enough to make additional battlefield gains not only more difficult---but also substantially more costly. Hopefully in a few months when Trump rides into office---Russia will have absorbed enough damage to motivate a sudden interest in a meaningful peace compromise. I think the Ukrainians taking 6 refineries completely off line (about 20% of capacity) is about all it would really take to make peace negotiations very attractive for the people and leadership of Russia. A perfect set up for Trump to ride in and make this crap stop with a land for security deal everyone can live with.

(11-17-2024 06:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 300 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

And realistically, they really don't need to go all the way to Moscow or St. Petersburg. Better to use small drones on key targets. The logistics and troop staging areas should be within about 100 miles and its insane to let Russia have sanctuaries. That is what we did in the Vietnamese and Korean wars. And Ukraine is not the US.

Brilliant.

I noticed that to, it was like what.

This whole Russia hate thing is kin to TDS. Its the same kind of mind virus.

The slavitards are so invested in it they wil never admit our meddling was a huge mistake.

Now we sit on the edge of war with Russia because of simpletons that dont quite get that it is not 1962.

(11-17-2024 04:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Putin in September: If Ukraine uses U.S. long-range missiles to strike Russia, the "United States is at war with Russia."

Biden in November: *Authorizes Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike Russia.*

Already have been. Not sure what bubble you have been living in.

Its a war by proxy.

Same thing Iran is doing in the Middle East the only difference and its a big difference is Iran doesn't have the azz to stay in the game.

Idiots should've done this two years ago and saved lives and American Tax payer money but of course the pockets of the Politicians and their Suppliers would've been denied a lot of money.

The Idiots have learned absolutely nothing from Vietnam.

(11-17-2024 04:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 04:56 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I am hopeful DJT has already been on the phone with Putin. If WW3 starts before January 20th, it will end on January 21st.

If that little green turd uses our missles to hit targets inside Russia all bets are off

No one should be shocked if Putin goes nuclear.

FAFO

Putin isn't going Nuclear unless his regime is about to fall.

Maniac Islamist Radicals wouldn't blink an eye to use Nuclear weapons if it was in their arsenal.

(11-17-2024 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:23 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

Came here to say this same thing. Let me add, then they will blame Trump for it.

They can try to blame Trump---but the last election showed us silly media narratives that are clearly BS are going to be just another reason the public no longer trusts legacy media.

Btw---I dont see a WWIII. The Russians man and equipment losses of the last 3 years suggest that Russia has largely lost the means to take on NATO with their conventional forces. But that is besides the point. Russia knows they really have no concerns about being invaded by NATO---and they would have never invaded Ukraine if they thought NATO would actually directly intervene. With their hands completely full just battling Ukraine alone, the last thing the Russians want is direct conflict with all of NATO.

Putin has aimed to get what he can through the aggressive use of his military combined with a little nuclear bluster when needed. Thats been more than enough with a weak president like Biden leading NATO (often leading from the rear). Putin has managed to get 20% of Ukraine that way without any real risk to his nation. Well, that has changed with todays announcement---and even todays announcement is only an incremental change. Not enough to cause the Russians to immediately lose interest in more war---but enough to make additional battlefield gains not only more difficult---but also substantially more costly. Hopefully in a few months when Trump rides into office---Russia will have absorbed enough damage to motivate a sudden interest in a meaningful peace compromise. I think the Ukrainians taking 6 refineries completely off line (about 20% of capacity) is about all it would really take to make peace negotiations very attractive for the people and leadership of Russia. A perfect set up for Trump to ride in and make this crap stop with a land for security deal everyone can live with.

This is one of the most pretentious bullsh!t explanations that has ever spewed out of your head. I respect most of what you post but this is exactly the bullsh!t that has sunk us in too many places across the globe.

We should be like Mike Tyson was in the day. You start something we don't agree with we blast your azz to the moon. We put a hurting on you soap and water won't wash off. And, we NEVER help you rebuild. Idiots need to understand this is a WAR not some policing action of so called bad actors. There not actors and only a fool would refer to them as one.

(11-17-2024 07:45 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:23 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

Came here to say this same thing. Let me add, then they will blame Trump for it.

They can try to blame Trump---but the last election showed us silly media narratives that are clearly BS are going to be just another reason the public no longer trusts legacy media.

Btw---I dont see a WWIII. The Russians man and equipment losses of the last 3 years suggest that Russia has largely lost the means to take on NATO with their conventional forces. But that is besides the point. Russia knows they really have no concerns about being invaded by NATO---and they would have never invaded Ukraine if they thought NATO would actually directly intervene. With their hands completely full just battling Ukraine alone, the last thing the Russians want is direct conflict with all of NATO.

Putin has aimed to get what he can through the aggressive use of his military combined with a little nuclear bluster when needed. Thats been more than enough with a weak president like Biden leading NATO (often leading from the rear). Putin has managed to get 20% of Ukraine that way without any real risk to his nation. Well, that has changed with todays announcement---and even todays announcement is only an incremental change. Not enough to cause the Russians to immediately lose interest in more war---but enough to make additional battlefield gains not only more difficult---but also substantially more costly. Hopefully in a few months when Trump rides into office---Russia will have absorbed enough damage to motivate a sudden interest in a meaningful peace compromise. I think the Ukrainians taking 6 refineries completely off line (about 20% of capacity) is about all it would really take to make peace negotiations very attractive for the people and leadership of Russia. A perfect set up for Trump to ride in and make this crap stop with a land for security deal everyone can live with.

This is one of the most pretentious bullsh!t explanations that has ever spewed out of your head. I respect most of what you post but this is exactly the bullsh!t that has sunk us in too many places across the globe.

We should be like Mike Tyson was in the day. You start something we don't agree with we blast your azz to the moon. We put a hurting on you soap and water won't wash off. And, we NEVER help you rebuild. Idiots need to understand this is a WAR not some policing action of so called bad actors. There not actors and only a fool would refer to them as one.

I dont think we disagree. The context here was this was somehow going to cause WWIII.

Im one who thinks Biden blew this from the start. I think everyone would have been sitting around a peace table months ago (perhaps even years ago) had we not slow walked weapons approvals and done this in early 2022. Heck, I think the whole thing could have been avoided in 2021 had Biden simply told Putin "all options are on the table if you invade Ukraine". The truth is--I dont even think he had to say a word. If he had simply arranged the sale of a block of several hundred long range SCALP/Storm Shadow/Harpoon cruise missiles to Ukraine in 2021 when satellite and intelligence assets said Russia was planning an invasion----I doubt Russia would have risked invading at all. This all could and should have been avoided.

(11-17-2024 03:16 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:It’s not Joe Biden per se’, he is simply a useful pawn. This action is coming from the people deep inside the IC and State Dept who are committed to fomenting a serious conflict with Russia and Vladimir Putin as the White House is about to change hands. We previously said to watch out for this lame duck session.

In response to previous discussion about this, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he had ‘clear eyes’ on what long-range missile deployment inside Ukraine really meant. Ukraine does not have the targeting systems or satellites to use long-range missiles for strikes into Russia.



If long-range missiles were used by Ukraine, they originate from the U.S-NATO and they are deployed with the targeting of U.S-NATO. Vladimir Putin clearly stated that if such weapons were used, Russia will not pretend or ignore that this is direct provocative engagement by NATO against Russia. Knowing this, the people around Joe Biden have just deployed exactly what Putin warned about.

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use a powerful American long-range weapon for limited strikes inside Russia in response to North Korea’s deployment of thousands of troops to aid Moscow’s war effort, according to two senior U.S. officials.


The easing of restrictions on allowing Kyiv to use the Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, to hit targets inside Russia is a significant reversal in U.S. policy and comes as some 10,000 elite North Korean troops have been sent to Kursk, a region of Russia along Ukraine’s northern border, to help Moscow’s forces retake territory gained by Ukraine.

The Biden administration fears that more North Korean special forces units could follow in support of this effort.

The move precedes by two months the return to the White House of President-elect Donald Trump, who has signaled he intends to end the war between Russia and Ukraine, though without offering details of how he will do so. (read more)

The precursor for direct conflict.

Joe Biden approved U.S. military advisors in Ukraine.

Joe Biden approves U.S/GBR long-range missiles for Ukraine to strike deep into Russia.

Joe Biden/CIA interfered in the Georgia election – and failed.

Joe Biden/CIA interfered in the Moldovan election – and succeeded.

Joe Biden is departing the White House.

This is the most dangerous time. Vladimir Putin will only take so much before he strikes hard.

Our government is under the control of the Intelligence Community.

Link

83% approval?

I do wonder how popular a US president would be if after propagandist convinced the populace that the cartels at the border were Nazis. Then launches an ‘SMO’ that went on for years at the cost of 250,000 soldiers dead and 500,000 wounded. Along with a few hundred square miles of Arizona being occupied by the cartels. This little dwarf tyrant will eventually overstep a boundary far crossed already and be ‘Quadaffied’.

And yes, NATO would totally level the place if he survives to that point.

(11-17-2024 04:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  You moronic slavitards

Frick Ukraine those stupid bastards

Watch Russia frickin nuke Keiv.

Way to go. 200 billion dollars down a shitehole.

Duped from day 1

I tried to tell you

The warhawks here will never listen.

FWIW---It appears the earlier reports left out that some key information. If these more recent reports are accurate, then restrictions on the use of long range American missiles apparently largely remain in place. Some reports are starting to indicate the only change in policy is that ATACMS/SCALP/Stormshadow may be used in depth only in the Kursk region (this would be the area around the small Ukrainian incursion into Russian territory). The rest of Russia would remain off limits for the use of western weapons.

(11-18-2024 03:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  FWIW---It appears the earlier reports left out that some key information. If these more recent reports are accurate, then restrictions on the use of long range American missiles apparently largely remain in place. Some reports are starting to indicate the only change in policy is that ATACMS/SCALP/Stormshadow may be used in depth only in the Kursk region (this would be the area around the small Ukrainian incursion into Russian territory). The rest of Russia would remain off limits for the use of western weapons.

Does this make you feel better?

FFS

(11-17-2024 06:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 300 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

And realistically, they really don't need to go all the way to Moscow or St. Petersburg. Better to use small drones on key targets. The logistics and troop staging areas should be within about 100 miles and its insane to let Russia have sanctuaries. That is what we did in the Vietnamese and Korean wars. And Ukraine is not the US.

Brilliant.

I noticed that to, it was like what.

You Putin bots just aren't very sharp.

The US gave China sanctuary in China while we were at war with them in Korea.
We gave the Vietnamese sanctuary in North Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia while we were at war with them.

Biden is trying to make Ukraine give Russia sanctuary. And Ukraine does not have the advantages the US had in Vietnam and Korea. Its insanely stupid to force Ukraine to fight with one hand tied behind their back. It was stupid what LBJ did in Vietnam, let alone what Biden is trying to make Ukraine do.

(11-17-2024 06:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 300 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

And realistically, they really don't need to go all the way to Moscow or St. Petersburg. Better to use small drones on key targets. The logistics and troop staging areas should be within about 100 miles and its insane to let Russia have sanctuaries. That is what we did in the Vietnamese and Korean wars. And Ukraine is not the US.

Brilliant.

I noticed that to, it was like what.

This whole Russia hate thing is kin to TDS. Its the same kind of mind virus.

The slavitards are so invested in it they wil never admit our meddling was a huge mistake.

Now we sit on the edge of war with Russia because of simpletons that dont quite get that it is not 1962.

Did some Ukrainian touch you in a bad place when you were a child?
What you posted is one of the dumbest things posted on this board, similar to all the leftists.
I have children with dual Russian/American citizenship. I have friends in Russia. I have stayed in their houses. And I've stated that many times before, but like the left keeps repeating lying DNC talking points, you keep repeating lying Putin talking points.

(11-18-2024 12:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 07:45 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:23 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

Came here to say this same thing. Let me add, then they will blame Trump for it.

They can try to blame Trump---but the last election showed us silly media narratives that are clearly BS are going to be just another reason the public no longer trusts legacy media.

Btw---I dont see a WWIII. The Russians man and equipment losses of the last 3 years suggest that Russia has largely lost the means to take on NATO with their conventional forces. But that is besides the point. Russia knows they really have no concerns about being invaded by NATO---and they would have never invaded Ukraine if they thought NATO would actually directly intervene. With their hands completely full just battling Ukraine alone, the last thing the Russians want is direct conflict with all of NATO.

Putin has aimed to get what he can through the aggressive use of his military combined with a little nuclear bluster when needed. Thats been more than enough with a weak president like Biden leading NATO (often leading from the rear). Putin has managed to get 20% of Ukraine that way without any real risk to his nation. Well, that has changed with todays announcement---and even todays announcement is only an incremental change. Not enough to cause the Russians to immediately lose interest in more war---but enough to make additional battlefield gains not only more difficult---but also substantially more costly. Hopefully in a few months when Trump rides into office---Russia will have absorbed enough damage to motivate a sudden interest in a meaningful peace compromise. I think the Ukrainians taking 6 refineries completely off line (about 20% of capacity) is about all it would really take to make peace negotiations very attractive for the people and leadership of Russia. A perfect set up for Trump to ride in and make this crap stop with a land for security deal everyone can live with.

This is one of the most pretentious bullsh!t explanations that has ever spewed out of your head. I respect most of what you post but this is exactly the bullsh!t that has sunk us in too many places across the globe.

We should be like Mike Tyson was in the day. You start something we don't agree with we blast your azz to the moon. We put a hurting on you soap and water won't wash off. And, we NEVER help you rebuild. Idiots need to understand this is a WAR not some policing action of so called bad actors. There not actors and only a fool would refer to them as one.

I dont think we disagree. The context here was this was somehow going to cause WWIII.

Im one who thinks Biden blew this from the start. I think everyone would have been sitting around a peace table months ago (perhaps even years ago) had we not slow walked weapons approvals and done this in early 2022. Heck, I think the whole thing could have been avoided in 2021 had Biden simply told Putin "all options are on the table if you invade Ukraine". The truth is--I dont even think he had to say a word. If he had simply arranged the sale of a block of several hundred long range SCALP/Storm Shadow/Harpoon cruise missiles to Ukraine in 2021 when satellite and intelligence assets said Russia was planning an invasion----I doubt Russia would have risked invading at all. This all could and should have been avoided.

Reminds me of that Star Trek episode where the Klingons and Federation were going to incrementally improve the weapons to each side. If Ukraine had the weapons now in the beginning, the war might have been settled. But everything is going up incrementally.

I don't fault you if you want to support Ukraine, I just think your support should come from your own pocket and not mine. I'm being forced to support their cause. That ain't right.

(11-18-2024 04:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-18-2024 12:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 07:45 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 06:23 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  Came here to say this same thing. Let me add, then they will blame Trump for it.

They can try to blame Trump---but the last election showed us silly media narratives that are clearly BS are going to be just another reason the public no longer trusts legacy media.

Btw---I dont see a WWIII. The Russians man and equipment losses of the last 3 years suggest that Russia has largely lost the means to take on NATO with their conventional forces. But that is besides the point. Russia knows they really have no concerns about being invaded by NATO---and they would have never invaded Ukraine if they thought NATO would actually directly intervene. With their hands completely full just battling Ukraine alone, the last thing the Russians want is direct conflict with all of NATO.

Putin has aimed to get what he can through the aggressive use of his military combined with a little nuclear bluster when needed. Thats been more than enough with a weak president like Biden leading NATO (often leading from the rear). Putin has managed to get 20% of Ukraine that way without any real risk to his nation. Well, that has changed with todays announcement---and even todays announcement is only an incremental change. Not enough to cause the Russians to immediately lose interest in more war---but enough to make additional battlefield gains not only more difficult---but also substantially more costly. Hopefully in a few months when Trump rides into office---Russia will have absorbed enough damage to motivate a sudden interest in a meaningful peace compromise. I think the Ukrainians taking 6 refineries completely off line (about 20% of capacity) is about all it would really take to make peace negotiations very attractive for the people and leadership of Russia. A perfect set up for Trump to ride in and make this crap stop with a land for security deal everyone can live with.

This is one of the most pretentious bullsh!t explanations that has ever spewed out of your head. I respect most of what you post but this is exactly the bullsh!t that has sunk us in too many places across the globe.

We should be like Mike Tyson was in the day. You start something we don't agree with we blast your azz to the moon. We put a hurting on you soap and water won't wash off. And, we NEVER help you rebuild. Idiots need to understand this is a WAR not some policing action of so called bad actors. There not actors and only a fool would refer to them as one.

I dont think we disagree. The context here was this was somehow going to cause WWIII.

Im one who thinks Biden blew this from the start. I think everyone would have been sitting around a peace table months ago (perhaps even years ago) had we not slow walked weapons approvals and done this in early 2022. Heck, I think the whole thing could have been avoided in 2021 had Biden simply told Putin "all options are on the table if you invade Ukraine". The truth is--I dont even think he had to say a word. If he had simply arranged the sale of a block of several hundred long range SCALP/Storm Shadow/Harpoon cruise missiles to Ukraine in 2021 when satellite and intelligence assets said Russia was planning an invasion----I doubt Russia would have risked invading at all. This all could and should have been avoided.

Reminds me of that Star Trek episode where the Klingons and Federation were going to incrementally improve the weapons to each side. If Ukraine had the weapons now in the beginning, the war might have been settled. But everything is going up incrementally.

Dont care.

(11-18-2024 04:41 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

^
These are the people you slavitards are siding with..


Figuring it out yet?