Quote:It’s not Joe Biden per se’, he is simply a useful pawn. This action is coming from the people deep inside the IC and State Dept who are committed to fomenting a serious conflict with Russia and Vladimir Putin as the White House is about to change hands. We previously said to watch out for this lame duck session.

In response to previous discussion about this, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he had ‘clear eyes’ on what long-range missile deployment inside Ukraine really meant. Ukraine does not have the targeting systems or satellites to use long-range missiles for strikes into Russia.



If long-range missiles were used by Ukraine, they originate from the U.S-NATO and they are deployed with the targeting of U.S-NATO. Vladimir Putin clearly stated that if such weapons were used, Russia will not pretend or ignore that this is direct provocative engagement by NATO against Russia. Knowing this, the people around Joe Biden have just deployed exactly what Putin warned about.

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use a powerful American long-range weapon for limited strikes inside Russia in response to North Korea’s deployment of thousands of troops to aid Moscow’s war effort, according to two senior U.S. officials.


The easing of restrictions on allowing Kyiv to use the Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, to hit targets inside Russia is a significant reversal in U.S. policy and comes as some 10,000 elite North Korean troops have been sent to Kursk, a region of Russia along Ukraine’s northern border, to help Moscow’s forces retake territory gained by Ukraine.

The Biden administration fears that more North Korean special forces units could follow in support of this effort.

The move precedes by two months the return to the White House of President-elect Donald Trump, who has signaled he intends to end the war between Russia and Ukraine, though without offering details of how he will do so. (read more)

The precursor for direct conflict.

Joe Biden approved U.S. military advisors in Ukraine.

Joe Biden approves U.S/GBR long-range missiles for Ukraine to strike deep into Russia.

Joe Biden/CIA interfered in the Georgia election – and failed.

Joe Biden/CIA interfered in the Moldovan election – and succeeded.

Joe Biden is departing the White House.

This is the most dangerous time. Vladimir Putin will only take so much before he strikes hard.

Our government is under the control of the Intelligence Community.

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They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

Like the "red lines" before it (supplying Javalins will cause WWIII, supplying HIMARS will cause WWIII, providing tanks will cause WWIII, giving them Patriots will cause WWIII, if we give them F-16's it will cause WWIII---all wrong), nothing will change with this decision other than the the Russian's soft target infrastructure is now just as vulnerable to the ugly side of war as Ukrainian infrastructure. Id also add that Putin is full of crap. Long range missiles with large warheads arent typically used for moving targets. You dont really need real time military sat intel to accurately target Russian military bases or know where Russian refineries and electrical generation plants are located. Days old private satellite data is more than adequate for these types of targets.

Bottom line----its a war. The Russians are buying weapons from all over the world to fire into Ukraine---and have now even introduced North Korean troops to fight directly on the front lines. Any bombs blowing up on the N Korean capital or on N Korean infrastructure? Nope. Does Russia have the military to take on both Ukraine and NATO at the same time? Nope. Worse case is Russia gets their little Houthie toadies in Yeman to launch missiles at our civilian and military ships---oh wait---thats already happening anyway.

Personally---I think this move sets the table nicely for Trump to enter negotiations from a position of strength with the ability to end an increasingly unpleasant situation for both parties in a way that saves face on both sides---and more importantly---it will save lives on both sides.

You moronic slavitards

Frick Ukraine those stupid bastards

Watch Russia frickin nuke Keiv.

Way to go. 200 billion dollars down a shitehole.

Duped from day 1

I tried to tell you

Putin in September: If Ukraine uses U.S. long-range missiles to strike Russia, the "United States is at war with Russia."

Biden in November: *Authorizes Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike Russia.*

(11-17-2024 03:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

Like the "red lines" before it (supplying Javalins will cause WWIII, supplying HIMARS will cause WWIII, providing tanks will cause WWIII, giving them Patriots will cause WWIII, if we give them F-16's it will cause WWIII---all wrong), nothing will change with this decision other than the the Russian's soft target infrastructure is now just as vulnerable to the ugly side of war as Ukrainian infrastructure. Id also add that Putin is full of crap. Long range missiles with large warheads arent typically used for moving targets. You dont really need real time military sat intel to accurately target Russian military bases are or know where Russian refineries and electrical generation plants are located. Days old private satellite data is more than adequate for these types of targets.

Bottom line----its a war. The Russians are buying weapons from all over the world to fire into Ukraine---and have now even introduced North Korean troops to fight directly on the front lines. Any bombs blowing up on the N Korean capital or on N Korean infrastructure? Nope. Does Russia have the military to take on both Ukraine and NATO at the same time? Nope. Worse case is Russia gets their little Houthie toadies in Yeman to launch missiles at our civilian and military ships---oh wait---thats already happening anyway.

Personally---I think this move sets the table nicely for Trump to enter negotiations from a position of strength with the ability to end an increasingly unpleasant situation for both parties in a way that saves face on both sides---and more importantly---it will save lives on both sides.

Like another article said. Putin's uncertainty about what Trump would do could serve Ukraine well in negotations as opposed to "slow strangulation" by Biden/Harris, giving them only enough to hold their own.

(11-17-2024 04:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  You moronic slavitards

Frick Ukraine those stupid bastards

Watch Russia frickin nuke Keiv.

Way to go. 200 billion dollars down a shitehole.

Duped from day 1

I tried to tell you

So you don't believe the MSM lies about Trump and Russia collusion and everything else Trump, but you believe Russian media lies.

Its still ridiculously gullible and out of touch with reality. You just believe different obvious nonsense.

(11-17-2024 04:24 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Who do you think is helping Iran with their nuclear program?

(11-17-2024 04:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2024 04:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  You moronic slavitards

Frick Ukraine those stupid bastards

Watch Russia frickin nuke Keiv.

Way to go. 200 billion dollars down a shitehole.

Duped from day 1

I tried to tell you

So you don't believe the MSM lies about Trump and Russia collusion and everything else Trump, but you believe Russian media lies.

Its still ridiculously gullible and out of touch with reality. You just believe different obvious nonsense.

I understand the reality of the situation. Keep hanging on to the democracy narrative.

Duped

Congrats slavitards.

Get your sons ready to go fight muh Putin

I am hopeful DJT has already been on the phone with Putin. If WW3 starts before January 20th, it will end on January 21st.

(11-17-2024 04:56 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I am hopeful DJT has already been on the phone with Putin. If WW3 starts before January 20th, it will end on January 21st.

That was my first thought too.

(11-17-2024 04:56 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I am hopeful DJT has already been on the phone with Putin. If WW3 starts before January 20th, it will end on January 21st.

If that little green turd uses our missles to hit targets inside Russia all bets are off

No one should be shocked if Putin goes nuclear.

FAFO

Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 200 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

(11-17-2024 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 300 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

Putin is not going nuclear. I've said where I am on this and that is I want America out as quick as possible. But anyone that believes Trump is going to just up and cut off the funding or arm without an agreement is not thinking this through.

I dont see this as a bad move in ending this war, I wish it was only a few weeks instead of 8 or so. Putin knows Trump wants this to end. This gives Putin another reason to end it without Trump playing hardball...

he knows Trump can't just walk away from arming and let Russia do as they please. If there's major damage inside Russia in the coming weeks. It puts pressure on Putin to end this or the damage continues. Russia striking back hard inside major cities in Ukraine puts pressure on them to end this.


There's always the chance one or both men are idiots but the only one we really have to be concerned about is Putin being the idiot. If there's an agreement Trump can live with Ukraine will have very little choice but to take it. Unless Europe wants to fund the fighting.

I would rather this be 5 weeks down the line and not two months but it does let Trump come at both men with the big stick already in play by threaten one to take it away. Or the other by keeping it in play. If Trump had not won I could see the concerns...

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

True, but we knew that already. Not a surprise.

After the failure in Butler, PA, the DS is just employing various scenarios.

Still got 64 days until Trump takes the POTUS Oath. Anything can happen.

(11-17-2024 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Interesting---the map I saw only allows strikes about 300 miles deep (thats roughly max range of ATACMS) which is well short of Moscow. SCALP/Storm Shadow can potentially strike deeper---but those are not US weapons--so not our call. So---it seems this move represents more of a relatively limited "stick". Its worth pointing out that the shorter range HIMARS misiles were already allowed up to abut 40 miles deep---so this is more of an incremental move---assuming the French and Brits only allow SCALP/SS strikes to a similar depth inside of Russia.

I would also note that there are issues in Georgia right now. The attempted Russian color revolution in Georgia is not going well at all.

And realistically, they really don't need to go all the way to Moscow or St. Petersburg. Better to use small drones on key targets. The logistics and troop staging areas should be within about 100 miles and its insane to let Russia have sanctuaries. That is what we did in the Vietnamese and Korean wars. And Ukraine is not the US.

(11-17-2024 03:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  They want to start WWIII before Trump takes office. I tell you, these people are evil.

Came here to say this same thing. Let me add, then they will blame Trump for it.