Speaking dumbly about medals: diSguSting!!!! He hates tHE milITary!!

Ignoring dead soldiers who died under your leadership: …..crickets……

(08-20-2024 02:42 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 01:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 01:36 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 01:24 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  I don't lend a lot of credence to much of this stuff because there have been so many lies and mis representations of what Trump has said over the years that it no longer really has an impact.
Trump says he would rather get the MOF versus the MOH. Is he really saying that the MOF is more prestigious than the MOH or is he saying he would rather not go thru what a person goes thru to earn a MOH. Look at the recipients and what the circumstances were that they got the award for. Not many sane people would want to go thru that and if you asked the people that went thru it they likely wouldn't want to go thru it again. Read up on the effects the war had on Audie Murphy.


If Trump made the loser and sucker comment then it was a despicable comment. If he is implying that winning the MOF is more prestigious than the MOH then he again is making a despicable comment but given how the reaction is to whatever he says I take it with a grain of salt.

He said it was "better". At least twice. And followed it with 'at least equal'. And said it was "better" because the recipients are better off. I suggest you look at the video of the event. And his 'defense' the day after.

No. It simply isnt "better". Nor is it "at least equal". It doesnt come close. I will give the PMF recipients (for the most part) respect for the various achievements. (Maybe not Bill Cosby, though). But there is zero comparison between the two.

Precisely because of the issues you bring up.

For the reasons I stated he's right with regard to the recipients being better off. Chances are they don't have PTSD, combat wounds, or nightmares about seeing people tore to pieces.
The at least equal statement is not very smart.

He said the award is "better". But please feel free to change the words he spoke.

I based that on the bolded part of your quote. What words were changed?

"But I really, I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom, That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version, it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead. She gets it and she's healthy, beautiful woman. And they're rated equal"

I agree with the President of the VFW and General Kelly.

Quote:"These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation's highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty," Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Al Lipphardt said.

"When a candidate to serve as our military's commander-in-chief so brazenly dismisses the valor and reverence symbolized by the Medal of Honor and those who have earned it, I must question whether they would discharge their responsibilities to our men and women in uniform with the seriousness and discernment necessary for such a powerful position," Lipphardt continued. "It is even more disappointing when these comments come from a man who already served in this noble office and should frankly already know better," he said.

Here is Kelly's comment:

Quote:“Think of Normandy, Iwo Jima, Vietnam or Fallujah,” Kelly told CNN. “The Medal of Honor is earned, not won, by incredibly brave actions on the battlefield under fire typically by very young men who joined when others did not to defend their country. Their oath to the nation is essentially the oath the president and members of Congress take, that federal judges take, that political appointees also take and includes ‘...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties...’

“To the service member, the oath is sacred and taken with the understanding that one could be seriously wounded, captured or killed in living up to the words. No president, member of Congress, judge or political appointee — and certainly no recipient of the Presidential Medal — will ever be asked to give life or limb to protect the Constitution. The two awards cannot be compared in any way. Not even close.”

(08-20-2024 03:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:42 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 01:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 01:36 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  He said it was "better". At least twice. And followed it with 'at least equal'. And said it was "better" because the recipients are better off. I suggest you look at the video of the event. And his 'defense' the day after.

No. It simply isnt "better". Nor is it "at least equal". It doesnt come close. I will give the PMF recipients (for the most part) respect for the various achievements. (Maybe not Bill Cosby, though). But there is zero comparison between the two.

Precisely because of the issues you bring up.

For the reasons I stated he's right with regard to the recipients being better off. Chances are they don't have PTSD, combat wounds, or nightmares about seeing people tore to pieces.
The at least equal statement is not very smart.

He said the award is "better". But please feel free to change the words he spoke.

I based that on the bolded part of your quote. What words were changed?

"But I really, I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom, That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version, it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead. She gets it and she's healthy, beautiful woman. And they're rated equal"

I agree with the President of the VFW and General Kelly.

Quote:"These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation's highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty," Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Al Lipphardt said.

"When a candidate to serve as our military's commander-in-chief so brazenly dismisses the valor and reverence symbolized by the Medal of Honor and those who have earned it, I must question whether they would discharge their responsibilities to our men and women in uniform with the seriousness and discernment necessary for such a powerful position," Lipphardt continued. "It is even more disappointing when these comments come from a man who already served in this noble office and should frankly already know better," he said.

Here is Kelly's comment:

Quote:“Think of Normandy, Iwo Jima, Vietnam or Fallujah,” Kelly told CNN. “The Medal of Honor is earned, not won, by incredibly brave actions on the battlefield under fire typically by very young men who joined when others did not to defend their country. Their oath to the nation is essentially the oath the president and members of Congress take, that federal judges take, that political appointees also take and includes ‘...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties...’

“To the service member, the oath is sacred and taken with the understanding that one could be seriously wounded, captured or killed in living up to the words. No president, member of Congress, judge or political appointee — and certainly no recipient of the Presidential Medal — will ever be asked to give life or limb to protect the Constitution. The two awards cannot be compared in any way. Not even close.”

All I asked was what I changed based on the bolded statement. I don't disagree with either of those guys statements however I also can see where they didn't take it the way Trump meant it.

(08-20-2024 03:07 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:42 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 01:53 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  For the reasons I stated he's right with regard to the recipients being better off. Chances are they don't have PTSD, combat wounds, or nightmares about seeing people tore to pieces.
The at least equal statement is not very smart.

He said the award is "better". But please feel free to change the words he spoke.

I based that on the bolded part of your quote. What words were changed?

"But I really, I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom, That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version, it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead. She gets it and she's healthy, beautiful woman. And they're rated equal"

I agree with the President of the VFW and General Kelly.

Quote:"These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation's highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty," Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Al Lipphardt said.

"When a candidate to serve as our military's commander-in-chief so brazenly dismisses the valor and reverence symbolized by the Medal of Honor and those who have earned it, I must question whether they would discharge their responsibilities to our men and women in uniform with the seriousness and discernment necessary for such a powerful position," Lipphardt continued. "It is even more disappointing when these comments come from a man who already served in this noble office and should frankly already know better," he said.

Here is Kelly's comment:

Quote:“Think of Normandy, Iwo Jima, Vietnam or Fallujah,” Kelly told CNN. “The Medal of Honor is earned, not won, by incredibly brave actions on the battlefield under fire typically by very young men who joined when others did not to defend their country. Their oath to the nation is essentially the oath the president and members of Congress take, that federal judges take, that political appointees also take and includes ‘...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties...’

“To the service member, the oath is sacred and taken with the understanding that one could be seriously wounded, captured or killed in living up to the words. No president, member of Congress, judge or political appointee — and certainly no recipient of the Presidential Medal — will ever be asked to give life or limb to protect the Constitution. The two awards cannot be compared in any way. Not even close.”

All I asked was what I changed based on the bolded statement. I don't disagree with either of those guys statements however I also can see where they didn't take it the way Trump meant it.

Trump said the award of the PFM is equivalent, or better. It simply is not.

His precise, exact words.

Please change words to suit your theory. It seems to be the thing to do in all things related to defending Trump.

(08-20-2024 03:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:07 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:42 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  He said the award is "better". But please feel free to change the words he spoke.

I based that on the bolded part of your quote. What words were changed?

"But I really, I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom, That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version, it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead. She gets it and she's healthy, beautiful woman. And they're rated equal"

I agree with the President of the VFW and General Kelly.

Quote:"These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation's highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty," Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Al Lipphardt said.

"When a candidate to serve as our military's commander-in-chief so brazenly dismisses the valor and reverence symbolized by the Medal of Honor and those who have earned it, I must question whether they would discharge their responsibilities to our men and women in uniform with the seriousness and discernment necessary for such a powerful position," Lipphardt continued. "It is even more disappointing when these comments come from a man who already served in this noble office and should frankly already know better," he said.

Here is Kelly's comment:

Quote:“Think of Normandy, Iwo Jima, Vietnam or Fallujah,” Kelly told CNN. “The Medal of Honor is earned, not won, by incredibly brave actions on the battlefield under fire typically by very young men who joined when others did not to defend their country. Their oath to the nation is essentially the oath the president and members of Congress take, that federal judges take, that political appointees also take and includes ‘...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties...’

“To the service member, the oath is sacred and taken with the understanding that one could be seriously wounded, captured or killed in living up to the words. No president, member of Congress, judge or political appointee — and certainly no recipient of the Presidential Medal — will ever be asked to give life or limb to protect the Constitution. The two awards cannot be compared in any way. Not even close.”

All I asked was what I changed based on the bolded statement. I don't disagree with either of those guys statements however I also can see where they didn't take it the way Trump meant it.

Trump said the award of the PFM is either equivalent, or better.

His precise, exact words.

Please change words to suit your theory. It seems to be the thing to do.

Were the bolded words not his? You still haven't stated what words I changed.

(08-20-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:07 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 02:42 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  I based that on the bolded part of your quote. What words were changed?

"But I really, I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom, That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version, it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead. She gets it and she's healthy, beautiful woman. And they're rated equal"

I agree with the President of the VFW and General Kelly.

Quote:"These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation's highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty," Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Al Lipphardt said.

"When a candidate to serve as our military's commander-in-chief so brazenly dismisses the valor and reverence symbolized by the Medal of Honor and those who have earned it, I must question whether they would discharge their responsibilities to our men and women in uniform with the seriousness and discernment necessary for such a powerful position," Lipphardt continued. "It is even more disappointing when these comments come from a man who already served in this noble office and should frankly already know better," he said.

Here is Kelly's comment:

Quote:“Think of Normandy, Iwo Jima, Vietnam or Fallujah,” Kelly told CNN. “The Medal of Honor is earned, not won, by incredibly brave actions on the battlefield under fire typically by very young men who joined when others did not to defend their country. Their oath to the nation is essentially the oath the president and members of Congress take, that federal judges take, that political appointees also take and includes ‘...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties...’

“To the service member, the oath is sacred and taken with the understanding that one could be seriously wounded, captured or killed in living up to the words. No president, member of Congress, judge or political appointee — and certainly no recipient of the Presidential Medal — will ever be asked to give life or limb to protect the Constitution. The two awards cannot be compared in any way. Not even close.”

All I asked was what I changed based on the bolded statement. I don't disagree with either of those guys statements however I also can see where they didn't take it the way Trump meant it.

Trump said the award of the PFM is either equivalent, or better.

His precise, exact words.

Please change words to suit your theory. It seems to be the thing to do.

Were the bolded words not his? You still haven't stated what words I changed.

I posted his exact set of comments above. Read them.

(08-20-2024 03:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:07 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  "But I really, I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom, That's the highest award you can get as a civilian. It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version, it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets, or they're dead. She gets it and she's healthy, beautiful woman. And they're rated equal"

I agree with the President of the VFW and General Kelly.


Here is Kelly's comment:

All I asked was what I changed based on the bolded statement. I don't disagree with either of those guys statements however I also can see where they didn't take it the way Trump meant it.

Trump said the award of the PFM is either equivalent, or better.

His precise, exact words.

Please change words to suit your theory. It seems to be the thing to do.

Were the bolded words not his? You still haven't stated what words I changed.

I posted his exact set of comments above. Read them.

And I bolded the part of your quote I was responding to. Read it.

You can count on taint to come out of the woodwork to torture words.

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(08-20-2024 03:40 PM)b2b Wrote:  You can count on taint to come out of the woodwork to torture words.

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Yep. All those words and yet still doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman. He's super intectual!

(08-20-2024 03:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:07 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  All I asked was what I changed based on the bolded statement. I don't disagree with either of those guys statements however I also can see where they didn't take it the way Trump meant it.

Trump said the award of the PFM is either equivalent, or better.

His precise, exact words.

Please change words to suit your theory. It seems to be the thing to do.

Were the bolded words not his? You still haven't stated what words I changed.

I posted his exact set of comments above. Read them.

And I bolded the part of your quote I was responding to. Read it.

Maybe refer to his exact words.

He didnt say exactly what I paraphrased. But please dont use his words when they are provided.

And perhaps use *his* subject and verb.

Ill help you and provide them for you since you dont seem to be able to do so, even when provided.

Quote:It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor

Quote:it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers.

Quote:And they're rated equal.

Now that his words have been spoon fed to you (at least a second time....). I'll take it you have a problem looking up quotes, and/or actually recognizing them when provided.

(08-20-2024 11:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Trump said the award of the PFM is either equivalent, or better.

His precise, exact words.

Please change words to suit your theory. It seems to be the thing to do.

Were the bolded words not his? You still haven't stated what words I changed.

I posted his exact set of comments above. Read them.

And I bolded the part of your quote I was responding to. Read it.

Maybe refer to his exact words.

He didnt say exactly what I paraphrased. But please dont use his words when they are provided.

And perhaps use *his* subject and verb.

Ill help you and provide them for you since you dont seem to be able to do so, even when provided.

Quote:It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor

Quote:it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers.

Quote:And they're rated equal.

Now that his words have been spoon fed to you (at least a second time....). I'll take it you have a problem looking up quotes, and/or actually recognizing them when provided.

"And said it was "better" because the recipients are better off."

And here is the quote I was responding to. Which has now been spoon fed to you for the 2nd time.

(08-21-2024 07:34 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 11:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 03:15 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Were the bolded words not his? You still haven't stated what words I changed.

I posted his exact set of comments above. Read them.

And I bolded the part of your quote I was responding to. Read it.

Maybe refer to his exact words.

He didnt say exactly what I paraphrased. But please dont use his words when they are provided.

And perhaps use *his* subject and verb.

Ill help you and provide them for you since you dont seem to be able to do so, even when provided.

Quote:It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor

Quote:it's actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers.

Quote:And they're rated equal.

Now that his words have been spoon fed to you (at least a second time....). I'll take it you have a problem looking up quotes, and/or actually recognizing them when provided.

"And said it was "better" because the recipients are better off."

And here is the quote I was responding to. Which has now been spoon fed to you for the 2nd time.

That isnt Trumps explicit statement, is it? Maybe you missed the comment where you use Trump's own statement. Comprehension is your friend.


By the way, even though you havent reference *Trumps* exact statement, someone with just a little grounding in English would not say 'the award is better'. They would say 'the people earning this award dont have to suffer'. Basic English. Fourth grade subject/ verb.

I will agree with you that Trump has penchent for being unable to speak basic English.

And even when you accept the version that requires a basic restructuring of a basic English sentence -- its still reprehensible. And only a hairsbreadth away from his previous 'losers' and 'suvkers' comments regarding those same classes of people who have paid a price.

They paid a price -- in Trumps mind the actions of Phil Donahue and Bill Cosby merit a 'better reward'. Because of the price incurred.

Again read the comments of the VFW commander:
"These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation's highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty," Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Al Lipphardt said.

JD Vance was right. It’s more about your hatred of Trump than it is love of the country.

(08-21-2024 08:12 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  JD Vance was right. It’s more about your hatred of Trump than it is love of the country.

Maybe try addressing the issue at hand. Instead of your galvanic response attack of anything critical of your demigod.

Do you think that the Freedom Medal is "better" because one doenst have to ascarifice for it? A simple yes or no will suffice.

My goodness.

These Trump hating clowns are nuts. Out of their mind nuts.

It’s ironic that the most arrogant and righteous haters of Trump, hate him because they say he’s arrogant and righteous. Then they say that’s not why they hate him because they realize they’ve been called out as hypocrites.

It’s laughable actually.

(08-21-2024 08:21 AM)450bench Wrote:  My goodness.

These Trump hating clowns are nuts. Out of their mind nuts.

It’s ironic that the most arrogant and righteous haters of Trump, hate him because they say he’s arrogant and righteous. Then they say that’s not why they hate him because they realize they’ve been called out as hypocrites.

It’s laughable actually.

They are everything they say about him.

Don't waste time arguing to this dude - he's wrong about 90 percent of what he posts, then disappears for a while, and returns like nothing happened.

(08-21-2024 08:21 AM)450bench Wrote:  My goodness.

These Trump hating clowns are nuts. Out of their mind nuts.

It’s ironic that the most arrogant and righteous haters of Trump, hate him because they say he’s arrogant and righteous. Then they say that’s not why they hate him because they realize they’ve been called out as hypocrites.

It’s laughable actually.

Maybe try addressing the issue at hand. Instead of your galvanic response attack of anything critical of your demigod.

Do you think that the Freedom Medal is "better" because one doenst have to sacrifice for it? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Or just rant about TDS. And simply go whiny attack ****. Good look there.

(08-21-2024 08:24 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Don't waste time arguing to this dude - he's wrong about 90 percent of what he posts, then disappears for a while, and returns like nothing happened.

Agreed.

It’s funny, we all know people in our lives like him. There’s always one in the periphery of every family or a fringe friend like that who floats in and out of our lives.

Maybe you should mind your own business tanq. It isn't up to you what people on this board say or talk about. Goodness you're such a self righteous loser. I bet you don't spit your bullchit to anyone's face irl Mr Keyboard Warrior.

I'll await your 20 paragraph rebuttal.