(08-20-2024 08:57 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 08:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:WASHINGTON — “On Thursday, former President donald trump spoke at an event where he made some flippant remarks about the Medal of Honor and the heroes who have received it. In the video that has circulated online and in the media, the former president was recognizing Miriam Adelson in the audience who he awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom during his time in office. As he described the medal as the civilian version of the Medal of Honor, he went on to opine that the Medal of Freedom was “much better” than the military’s top award, because those awarded the latter are, in his words, “ … either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead.” He continued by comparing Miriam to MoH recipients saying, “She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman. They are rated equal.”

These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation’s highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty.

When a candidate to serve as our military’s commander-in-chief so brazenly dismisses the valor and reverence symbolized by the Medal of Honor and those who have earned it, I must question whether they would discharge their responsibilities to our men and women in uniform with the seriousness and discernment necessary for such a powerful position. It is even more disappointing when these comments come from a man who already served in this noble office and should frankly already know better.

VFW Admonishes Former President for Medal of Honor Remarks

Is there an audio link or does in writing count again?

Im not so sure Patrick Henry said "give me liberty or give me death." No audio. Lolz.

(08-20-2024 07:11 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 04:24 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 12:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So we'll see your General Kelly and raise you about half a dozen other people.

NY Post story --

Im glad to discern that the US Ambassador to France was with Trump in at least equal time or more than his Chief of Staff. Seems like a really odd allocation of time.

"LIberty Dispatch" (lmao) story --

First they say 'oh nose', the Atlantic used 'anonymous sources', then immediately rely on comments in the exact same manner.

Huckabee Sanders is relating to the issue that Trump didnt want to go to the cemetery because of the rain. Not calling the soldiers losers on day, and not even addressing the time of 'suckers'. Secondly, I am glad she was with the President more than his chief of staff, apparently.

Pompeo -- maybe read what he says. "Pompeo said. “I’ve never heard the president use the language that assertively is said in that article about him calling military suckers and losers. I’ve never seen that" Non-dispositive on whether Kelly heard that, or whether Trump had ever said it.

Bolton -- "Bolton makes no mention of Trump disparaging the troops." Uhh.... not what you all claim, is it?

Fox News article --

"I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things," Bolton told host Martha MacCallum.

Seriously folks -- read the words and content of the articles. Those articles *do not* say what you claim they say.

The issue is what Kelly explicitly states he heard. None of those items refute that. None of them touch on that in any way. By their own words. But please adhere to them like Bible passages and denoting that the speakers are saying something that they do not actually say. Lol. Do you all bother to actually read the articles you have posted?

As opposed to TripleA's comment of "I'll see your General Kelly and raise you about a half dozen other", the reality based on the people's own words int he articles you proffer -- it should be "I cant counter your General Kelly directly, and throw on the table about a half dozen others that either do not, or cannot, say that Trump didnt ever say that in Kelly's presence."

No. They actually do refute that - i.e. what Kelly said which was the basis of the article.

Bolton clearly states in the video of the Fox News link that the claims of the Atlantic hit piece that Trump made disparaging remarks are false. It is right at the 4-minute mark of the video where Bolton said, "I was just responding to what I thought was the main part of the article where at the critical point where the critical point was made not to go to Anmar that he made the disparaging remarks, and he did not".

And in further more probing questioning -- "I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things," Bolton told host Martha MacCallum.

Quote:"According to what that article said, the president made disparaging remarks about soldiers and people buried in the cemetery in connection with the decision for him not to go to the ceremony that was planned that afternoon, and that was simply false," Bolton said.

And again -- "I can’t prove the negative that he never said those things," Bolton told host Martha MacCallum.

Quote:It's not enough to have someone - the Ambassador to France - come forward and state that she was with the president and that he never said those things. You have to insinuate that she is lying and wasn't with the president as she has claimed in an attempt to dispute her comments.

Im saying that Kelly was with the President *far* more than the Ambassador of France. Given that stark basic fact, I suggest you re-examine her comments in that light.

What Trump said about the Medal of Honor is indefensible. He keeps creating self-inflicted wounds, for no reason.

Of course, checking your watch while standing in front of fallen soldiers is much worse, IMO.

Lefties see one as terrible, the other as no big deal. Typical.

(08-20-2024 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  What Trump said about the Medal of Honor is indefensible. He keeps creating self-inflicted wounds, for no reason.

Of course, checking your watch while standing in front of fallen soldiers is much worse, IMO.

Lefties see one as terrible, the other as no big deal. Typical.

Trump is his own worst enemy. That's why he lost in the first place and will lose again.

(08-20-2024 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  What Trump said about the Medal of Honor is indefensible. He keeps creating self-inflicted wounds, for no reason.

Of course, checking your watch while standing in front of fallen soldiers is much worse, IMO.

Lefties see one as terrible, the other as no big deal. Typical.

Ridiculous. Glancing at your watch...like checking your cellphone every bit as most Americans do pretty much as a reflex these days...is hardly some giant tell or proof that you don't care about someone or something. Geez.

(08-20-2024 09:46 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 08:59 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 08:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Imagine being on the tarmac waiting for you fallen child to be offloaded, you glance over at the CIC who is checking his damn watch acting like he has something more important to be doing. And all you've got to come back with is hearsay about what Trump might have said without any context in which it was said. I guarantee you more of the military support Trump than Biden or Harris for that matter.

Imagine looking over and seeing the VP instead of the president. Imagine being offered money in exchange.... Please, have a seat. trump doesn't give a **** about military service or sacrifice. He's a draft-dodging scumbag.

Then why does the military like him so much better than the leftist scumbags? It isn't even close. I'd a helluva lot rather see a VP than some brain dead opportunist that's more interested in where he'd like to be than the ceremony at hand. In his defense though he may not have known where he was or what he was doing.

Do they?????

And you can keep beating the tired old talking point all you want, but. Biden has many faults, honoring service and sacrifice of the fallen is not one you're going to find many honest folk deride him for.

Anyone watching who saw him do that on the tarmac would but Biden or Harris could take a dump on Audie Murphy's grave and you would find a way to defend them for it.

Biden's looking at his watch was crass and indifferent. Absolutely. As well as disrespectful.

Trump verbally shitting on John McCain's service record was a verbal **** on pretty much every person who wears or wore the uniform.

Just recently, when Trump said it is the Presidential Freedom Medal is "better" than the Medal of Honor is another **** on anyone who has worn the uniform. Even more so when he explains it because the MOH recipients are shot up or dead, and the PFM recipients are 'beautiful'.

When you dissect Trump's comments on the MOH, it shows an absolute contempt for the *sacrifice* that those who wear and have worn the uniform expend -- solely *for* this country. Trump's current comments on the MOH arent all that different over the quoted comments of loser and sucker attributed to him about war dead.

Look, I mean no disparagement to the PFM -- it is quite an honor. But I would hope you all *seriously* doubt whether folks like Andrew Wyeth, Walt Disney, Bob Hope, Georgia O'Keefe, Hubert Humphrey, Jacques Cousteau, Tip O'Neill, Mr Rogers, Bill Cosby, Andy Griffith, Harvey Milk, Robert De Niro, Tiger Woods, Phil Donahue, or Michael Bloomberg stack up to the sacrifice and actions of Alvin York, John Basilone, Daniel Daly, Robert Booker, Roy Benavidez, Gary Gordon, or Randall Shughart.

Look, many of the winners of the PFM have done very good things. But in no way do they stack up in the slightest to the actions, and many times the sacrifice, of those bestowed the Medal of Honor.

Trump saying the PFM is better, *because* the recipients arent shot up or killed is a micrometer away from what the terms of 'loser' and 'sucker' you all defend him stridently for.

Given Trump's predeliction for that fundamental disrespect -- I am surprised that you all dont even consider whether Kelly's statement is truthful. Seems to me Trump has a good history of saying stuff that ***** completely on military service. I am not surprised on Kelly's comments on 'sucker' and 'loser' with that studied record. And in addition to Kelly, there are 5 other unnamed sources to the comments.

(08-20-2024 11:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  What Trump said about the Medal of Honor is indefensible. He keeps creating self-inflicted wounds, for no reason.

Of course, checking your watch while standing in front of fallen soldiers is much worse, IMO.

Lefties see one as terrible, the other as no big deal. Typical.

Ridiculous. Glancing at your watch...like checking your cellphone every bit as most Americans do pretty much as a reflex these days...is hardly some giant tell or proof that you don't care about someone or something. Geez.

Uh huh.

We know Trump doesn't have much reverence for service, it's baked into the numbers already.

(08-20-2024 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 11:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  What Trump said about the Medal of Honor is indefensible. He keeps creating self-inflicted wounds, for no reason.

Of course, checking your watch while standing in front of fallen soldiers is much worse, IMO.

Lefties see one as terrible, the other as no big deal. Typical.

Ridiculous. Glancing at your watch...like checking your cellphone every bit as most Americans do pretty much as a reflex these days...is hardly some giant tell or proof that you don't care about someone or something. Geez.

Uh huh.

Yeah, dude. It was not a good look for Biden. But to claim that's "much worse" than trumps repeated comments like the recent ones about the MOH and his disdain for McCain et. al., ridiculous.

I know you are aware of this. Sad that you can't admit it.

I can't imagine starting a thread with the word ignorance in the title along with typos....

(08-20-2024 12:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I can't imagine starting a thread with the word ignorance in the title along with typos....

(08-20-2024 09:50 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-19-2024 06:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  These numb nuts don’t even believe it when they hear and see it come out of Trump’s mouth. Let alone a decorated military officer. You know one of the best hired by Trump.

Like the decorated military folks who signed the letter about how the laptop was Russion disinformation? Honest folks like those?

I guess all the lefties are just going to ignore this...?

I'm still not sure what all the uproar is about. He isn't wrong. Fewer people can get the Medal of Freedom. The left wants to go crazy like theyre supporting vets. They dgaf about them either. Both sides love war. Both sides will chew up soldiers and spit them out to make money for the MIC.

(08-20-2024 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 11:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  What Trump said about the Medal of Honor is indefensible. He keeps creating self-inflicted wounds, for no reason.

Of course, checking your watch while standing in front of fallen soldiers is much worse, IMO.

Lefties see one as terrible, the other as no big deal. Typical.

Ridiculous. Glancing at your watch...like checking your cellphone every bit as most Americans do pretty much as a reflex these days...is hardly some giant tell or proof that you don't care about someone or something. Geez.

Uh huh.

Yeah, dude. It was not a good look for Biden. But to claim that's "much worse" than trumps repeated comments like the recent ones about the MOH and his disdain for McCain et. al., ridiculous.

I know you are aware of this. Sad that you can't admit it.

Put yourself in the shoes of one of those gold star families whose loved one just returned home in a box, Einstein, and then think about that again.

One occurs in one of the saddest moments possibly imaginable. The other is a generic comment, while in poor taste, aimed at nobody in particular.

Plus, you expanded the guilty plea to all of Trump's verbal sins about vets. I was talking about the one vs. one.

I'm a veteran and I bet you're not, so I bet I have a better handle on this...Dude...

(08-20-2024 09:50 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-19-2024 06:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  These numb nuts don’t even believe it when they hear and see it come out of Trump’s mouth. Let alone a decorated military officer. You know one of the best hired by Trump.

Like the decorated military folks who signed the letter about how the laptop was Russion disinformation? Honest folks like those?

Yep. It's why they shouldn't automatically get respect just b/c they're military. There's plenty of career bureuacrats and low life scumbags in there.

(08-20-2024 12:49 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 09:50 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-19-2024 06:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  These numb nuts don’t even believe it when they hear and see it come out of Trump’s mouth. Let alone a decorated military officer. You know one of the best hired by Trump.

Like the decorated military folks who signed the letter about how the laptop was Russion disinformation? Honest folks like those?

Yep. It's why they shouldn't automatically get respect just b/c they're military. There's plenty of career bureuacrats and low life scumbags in there.

Actually they should. They volunteered to take on the uniform and the responsibility defense of our freedoms. Anyone and everyone in the military has done that.

From the MOH winner to the guy peeling potatoes.

And if low life scumbags, taking on that thing voluntarily is a positive checkmark -- no matter who they are. I respect the bejeesus not necessarily of the person overall, but out of that choice --- even *if* a scumbaor a low life bureaucrat. No matter who they might be.

(08-20-2024 01:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 12:49 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 09:50 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-19-2024 06:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  These numb nuts don’t even believe it when they hear and see it come out of Trump’s mouth. Let alone a decorated military officer. You know one of the best hired by Trump.

Like the decorated military folks who signed the letter about how the laptop was Russion disinformation? Honest folks like those?

Yep. It's why they shouldn't automatically get respect just b/c they're military. There's plenty of career bureuacrats and low life scumbags in there.

Actually they should. They volunteered to take on the uniform and the responsibility defense of our freedoms. Anyone and everyone in the military has done that.

From the MOH winner to the guy peeling potatoes.

And if low life scumbags, taking on that thing voluntarily is a positive checkmark -- no matter who they are. I respect the bejeesus not necessarily of the person overall, but out of that choice --- even *if* a scumbaor a low life bureaucrat. No matter who they might be.

C'mon man, do you honestly believe this person was "defending our freedoms"?



It's absolutely ridiculous to think that.

(08-20-2024 01:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 12:49 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 09:50 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-19-2024 06:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  These numb nuts don’t even believe it when they hear and see it come out of Trump’s mouth. Let alone a decorated military officer. You know one of the best hired by Trump.

Like the decorated military folks who signed the letter about how the laptop was Russion disinformation? Honest folks like those?

Yep. It's why they shouldn't automatically get respect just b/c they're military. There's plenty of career bureuacrats and low life scumbags in there.

Actually they should. They volunteered to take on the uniform and the responsibility defense of our freedoms. Anyone and everyone in the military has done that.

From the MOH winner to the guy peeling potatoes.

And if low life scumbags, taking on that thing voluntarily is a positive checkmark -- no matter who they are. I respect the bejeesus not necessarily of the person overall, but out of that choice --- even *if* a scumbaor a low life bureaucrat. No matter who they might be.

Right!

So, the 50 or so that signed on to the "Laptop was Russian Disinformation" hoax, to influence the outcome of a Presidential election (knowing that they were lying) are worthy our respect.

(08-20-2024 11:29 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 09:46 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 09:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 08:59 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Imagine looking over and seeing the VP instead of the president. Imagine being offered money in exchange.... Please, have a seat. trump doesn't give a **** about military service or sacrifice. He's a draft-dodging scumbag.

Then why does the military like him so much better than the leftist scumbags? It isn't even close. I'd a helluva lot rather see a VP than some brain dead opportunist that's more interested in where he'd like to be than the ceremony at hand. In his defense though he may not have known where he was or what he was doing.

Do they?????

And you can keep beating the tired old talking point all you want, but. Biden has many faults, honoring service and sacrifice of the fallen is not one you're going to find many honest folk deride him for.

Anyone watching who saw him do that on the tarmac would but Biden or Harris could take a dump on Audie Murphy's grave and you would find a way to defend them for it.

Biden's looking at his watch was crass and indifferent. Absolutely. As well as disrespectful.

Trump verbally shitting on John McCain's service record was a verbal **** on pretty much every person who wears or wore the uniform.

Just recently, when Trump said it is the Presidential Freedom Medal is "better" than the Medal of Honor is another **** on anyone who has worn the uniform. Even more so when he explains it because the MOH recipients are shot up or dead, and the PFM recipients are 'beautiful'.

When you dissect Trump's comments on the MOH, it shows an absolute contempt for the *sacrifice* that those who wear and have worn the uniform expend -- solely *for* this country. Trump's current comments on the MOH arent all that different over the quoted comments of loser and sucker attributed to him about war dead.

Look, I mean no disparagement to the PFM -- it is quite an honor. But I would hope you all *seriously* doubt whether folks like Andrew Wyeth, Walt Disney, Bob Hope, Georgia O'Keefe, Hubert Humphrey, Jacques Cousteau, Tip O'Neill, Mr Rogers, Bill Cosby, Andy Griffith, Harvey Milk, Robert De Niro, Tiger Woods, Phil Donahue, or Michael Bloomberg stack up to the sacrifice and actions of Alvin York, John Basilone, Daniel Daly, Robert Booker, Roy Benavidez, Gary Gordon, or Randall Shughart.

Look, many of the winners of the PFM have done very good things. But in no way do they stack up in the slightest to the actions, and many times the sacrifice, of those bestowed the Medal of Honor.

Trump saying the PFM is better, *because* the recipients arent shot up or killed is a micrometer away from what the terms of 'loser' and 'sucker' you all defend him stridently for.

Given Trump's predeliction for that fundamental disrespect -- I am surprised that you all dont even consider whether Kelly's statement is truthful. Seems to me Trump has a good history of saying stuff that ***** completely on military service. I am not surprised on Kelly's comments on 'sucker' and 'loser' with that studied record. And in addition to Kelly, there are 5 other unnamed sources to the comments.

I don't lend a lot of credence to much of this stuff because there have been so many lies and mis representations of what Trump has said over the years that it no longer really has an impact.
Trump says he would rather get the MOF versus the MOH. Is he really saying that the MOF is more prestigious than the MOH or is he saying he would rather not go thru what a person goes thru to earn a MOH. Look at the recipients and what the circumstances were that they got the award for. Not many sane people would want to go thru that and if you asked the people that went thru it they likely wouldn't want to go thru it again. Read up on the effects the war had on Audie Murphy.


If Trump made the loser and sucker comment then it was a despicable comment. If he is implying that winning the MOF is more prestigious than the MOH then he again is making a despicable comment but given how the reaction is to whatever he says I take it with a grain of salt.

(08-20-2024 01:08 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 01:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 12:49 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-20-2024 09:50 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-19-2024 06:42 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  These numb nuts don’t even believe it when they hear and see it come out of Trump’s mouth. Let alone a decorated military officer. You know one of the best hired by Trump.

Like the decorated military folks who signed the letter about how the laptop was Russion disinformation? Honest folks like those?

Yep. It's why they shouldn't automatically get respect just b/c they're military. There's plenty of career bureuacrats and low life scumbags in there.

Actually they should. They volunteered to take on the uniform and the responsibility defense of our freedoms. Anyone and everyone in the military has done that.

From the MOH winner to the guy peeling potatoes.

And if low life scumbags, taking on that thing voluntarily is a positive checkmark -- no matter who they are. I respect the bejeesus not necessarily of the person overall, but out of that choice --- even *if* a scumbaor a low life bureaucrat. No matter who they might be.

C'mon man, do you honestly believe this person was "defending our freedoms"?



It's absolutely ridiculous to think that.

I take it you think someone's view on their own gender stance interferes with 'defending freedoms'. Sounds fun.

I dont necessarily agree with the stance on going trans undertaken by the person in pic -- that is their choice. Not my cup of tea.

I dont question their commitment to the uniform. I'll leave it to you to make hay about that.