So….is Matt Gaetz a pawn of the Russians and/or Chinese? Because what he pulled off was retarded.

What Does America Think of Kevin McCarthy's Ouster? A New Poll Provides Clues

Quote:The fallout from the ouster of former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) is still alive the day after the lower chamber voted to remove him from his position. Speculation as to who might replace him has been prominent on the airwaves and interwebs.

But what does America think?

The findings of a new poll might shed some light on people’s attitudes toward the historical moment. A new Economist/YouGov survey reveals conflicting attitudes on the fate of McCarthy, which was brought about by a collaboration between Rep. Matt Gaetz and House Democrats. The move has been hotly debated on the right, with people arguing for and against removing the former speaker.

The poll showed that about 46 percent of Americans approved of removing McCarthy as speaker, while 28 percent disapproved. Among Republicans, the margin narrowed a bit, with 44 percent supporting the move and 34 percent opposing it. This further illustrates the current divide in the GOP in terms of philosophy and strategy.

But wait, there’s more!

Also noteworthy is the poll’s finding that 47 percent of Americans believed McCarthy’s ouster was a power grab. This included 41 percent of Republicans. This seems to indicate that the effort to get rid of the former speaker was not motivated by principles but by a desire for more power.

It is also worth noting that McCarthy’s stint in the speaker’s chair was marked by fluctuating popularity. When he first took the position, about 59 percent of Republicans approved of him. Only about 21 percent did not.

However, as time went on, McCarthy’s approval numbers dropped slightly. At the time of his ousting, about 56 percent of Republicans still held a favorable view of the former speaker.

Amid this current saga, Congress still remains widely unpopular, with a dismal 14 percent approval rating.

This news comes at a tumultuous time in American politics – especially for the Republican Party, which finds itself at a pivotal moment. The moderate wing of the party, represented by McCarthy, could be facing a reckoning. Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH) and Steve Scalise (R-LA), both of whom represent the more conservative faction of the party, have thrown their hats into the ring.

The conflict between pragmatism and principled conservatism has been raging for more than a decade at this point, and it seems clear the Republicans are ready for something new, which might explain why so many supported ousting McCarthy. However, as I wrote earlier, even if a principled conservative is elected to replace the former speaker, corruption is likely too ingrained in the federal government for any one person to make a difference.

Still, this occurrence will almost certainly have a strong influence on where the GOP goes next. Will it continue using a more conciliatory approach with Democrats and focus on bipartisanship? Or will it become more antagonistic toward the left – at least in terms of rhetoric? The selection of the next speaker will provide a strong clue as to the future direction of the party, which is at a crossroads. I suppose we will find out soon enough how this all shakes out.

Never trust a California Republican. McCarthy is a RINO and a swamp creature. Get all of them OUT of government.

Democrats ain’t got the guts or the fortitude to stand up for their constituents. Kudos to Gaetz for exposing fraudulent Republicans.

(10-04-2023 05:27 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:20 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Just someone there that’s willing to Stop the Ukraine money train will make it a huge win against the Uniparty and a win for America

That was literally the 45 day spending bill that McCarthy negotiated before he got removed. Ukraine funding was taking out.

McCarthy made a deal with Biden* to get a vote for ukraine on the table after the CR was passed.

(10-04-2023 06:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:27 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:20 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Just someone there that’s willing to Stop the Ukraine money train will make it a huge win against the Uniparty and a win for America

That was literally the 45 day spending bill that McCarthy negotiated before he got removed. Ukraine funding was taking out.

McCarthy made a deal with Biden* to get a vote for ukraine on the table after the CR was passed.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4235...raine-aid/

Instead, Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) pulled a Saturday morning surprise, announcing he would bring a clean stopgap measure to prevent a shutdown to the floor without Ukraine aid.

He brought the bill up under the suspension of House rules, requiring a two-thirds majority and effectively daring Democrats, who had been decrying a possible shutdown, to oppose it over the lack of funding for Ukraine — which would have given the GOP an opening to argue Democrats were siding with that country over their own.

It also had the effect of jamming the Senate — including GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and other Republicans in the Senate who backed Ukraine aid and had included it in their own stopgap measure.

(10-04-2023 06:04 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:27 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:20 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Just someone there that’s willing to Stop the Ukraine money train will make it a huge win against the Uniparty and a win for America

That was literally the 45 day spending bill that McCarthy negotiated before he got removed. Ukraine funding was taking out.

McCarthy made a deal with Biden* to get a vote for ukraine on the table after the CR was passed.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4235...raine-aid/

Instead, Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) pulled a Saturday morning surprise, announcing he would bring a clean stopgap measure to prevent a shutdown to the floor without Ukraine aid.

He brought the bill up under the suspension of House rules, requiring a two-thirds majority and effectively daring Democrats, who had been decrying a possible shutdown, to oppose it over the lack of funding for Ukraine — which would have given the GOP an opening to argue Democrats were siding with that country over their own.

It also had the effect of jamming the Senate — including GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and other Republicans in the Senate who backed Ukraine aid and had included it in their own stopgap measure.

Can y’all please stop quoting the previous 65 posts in order to say your peace? Good grief it’s ridiculous to follow, especially with a cell phone

Defense stocks have declined over the past 6 months. 1 month and 1 week averages. Not sure what the point of that post was. But, as per TheOriginalBigApp not going to quote it.


The main thing is McCarthy did remove Ukraine spending from the spending bill. This is once again a case of would you rather get a small something or nothing. Dems are good at making sure they always get a small chip of the statue of America always carving it to their liking even in the smallest whacks. While republicans can't seem to figure out that sometimes all you can get is a small chip off due to the consequences of not winning the mid terms with a strong enough republican majority. Get what you can get, come back and get more when you can.

Giving the dems a win to get more of what they want though is as bone headed as it comes.

My guess is their are about 6 factions in that cohesive caucus that are arguing tonight about a short list that they can tolerate.

It's like the mean girls club in junior high. What happens when you are largely issue first then party. The other side is party first.

(10-04-2023 01:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Jim Jordan first to put his hat in the ring.

Cue Tom to tell us all about Jordan's involvement with the Penn State scandal even though he was a nobody then.

I like Jordan's bull dog demeanor. He is a no nonsense kind of politician.

(10-04-2023 01:08 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:41 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Semantics I guess.

You didnt miss anything and its not semantics. He was voted out. He's not stepping aside. He was voted out, and wont try to get back in.

This is like not doing what your boss told you to do and you get fired, and you decide not to reapply for the job. You didnt step aside, you got sh*tcanned.

Much like what happened on a national scale in 2020.

Do you honestly not see the straight-line analogy being drawn - - and which you just highlighted in orange - - UMsU? Or are the Trumplet blinders truly that impervious?

So you pretty much believe that biden & harris won in an honest election. Do I have that right ?

Nope. I instead believe that Donald Trump - - through his own laziness, arrogance and political incompetence - - managed to LOSE an election to a bunch of underhanded cheaters. There's a difference.

At least you, Rbd, aren't intellectually paralyzed by sounds of "Reeee" every time you encounter an opinion with which you disagree. That is to your credit.

ANYONE would have lost that election. Dude, you know I respect you but the whole Orange Man Bad thing is wearing thin. You have allowed your personal dislike of the man to cloud your judgement IMO. Don't be like some of our leftist losers here and become a one trick pony, you're too sharp for that.

(10-04-2023 05:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  So….is Matt Gaetz a pawn of the Russians and/or Chinese? Because what he pulled off was retarded.

BS. I question just how conservative some of you who are taking that position really are. He failed to deliver on the one promise that got him the votes for that position. He was told fail to deliver and you're gone. Someone in Washington finally did something they said they were going to do and the same people who were crying about nothing ever getting done are coming down on the wrong side of this issue.

If our leaders reflect the schism on display here - and they absolutely do - no wonder we are on a long slow decline into oblivion.

(10-04-2023 06:10 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  Can y’all please stop quoting the previous 65 posts in order to say your peace? Good grief it’s ridiculous to follow, especially with a cell phone

Dude, we are old, most of us here don't know how to truncate... I mean I do but rarely bother to because no one else does.

And without quoting who knows what the context of a response may be?

(10-04-2023 06:19 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  The main thing is McCarthy did remove Ukraine spending from the spending bill. This is once again a case of would you rather get a small something or nothing.

Are you simply going to ignore the fact that McCarthy made a deal with Biden* to introduce ukraine funding after the CR was signed?

The reason defense stocks dipped today was because it is going to be practically impossible to get that ukraine deal passed now. No speaker is going to try it, because they will get the boot.

(10-04-2023 06:46 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  So….is Matt Gaetz a pawn of the Russians and/or Chinese? Because what he pulled off was retarded.

BS. I question just how conservative some of you who are taking that position really are. He failed to deliver on the one promise that got him the votes for that position. He was told fail to deliver and you're gone. Someone in Washington finally did something they said they were going to do and the same people who were crying about nothing ever getting done are coming down on the wrong side of this issue.

If our leaders reflect the schism on display here - and they absolutely do - no wonder we are on a long slow decline into oblivion.

I'm weary as hell of having every Trump-o-phile question anyone's conservatism that is critical of potential continued stupidity on the right.

(10-04-2023 05:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  What Does America Think of Kevin McCarthy's Ouster? A New Poll Provides Clues

Quote:The fallout from the ouster of former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) is still alive the day after the lower chamber voted to remove him from his position. Speculation as to who might replace him has been prominent on the airwaves and interwebs.

But what does America think?

The findings of a new poll might shed some light on people’s attitudes toward the historical moment. A new Economist/YouGov survey reveals conflicting attitudes on the fate of McCarthy, which was brought about by a collaboration between Rep. Matt Gaetz and House Democrats. The move has been hotly debated on the right, with people arguing for and against removing the former speaker.

The poll showed that about 46 percent of Americans approved of removing McCarthy as speaker, while 28 percent disapproved. Among Republicans, the margin narrowed a bit, with 44 percent supporting the move and 34 percent opposing it. This further illustrates the current divide in the GOP in terms of philosophy and strategy.

But wait, there’s more!

Also noteworthy is the poll’s finding that 47 percent of Americans believed McCarthy’s ouster was a power grab. This included 41 percent of Republicans. This seems to indicate that the effort to get rid of the former speaker was not motivated by principles but by a desire for more power.

It is also worth noting that McCarthy’s stint in the speaker’s chair was marked by fluctuating popularity. When he first took the position, about 59 percent of Republicans approved of him. Only about 21 percent did not.

However, as time went on, McCarthy’s approval numbers dropped slightly. At the time of his ousting, about 56 percent of Republicans still held a favorable view of the former speaker.

Amid this current saga, Congress still remains widely unpopular, with a dismal 14 percent approval rating.

This news comes at a tumultuous time in American politics – especially for the Republican Party, which finds itself at a pivotal moment. The moderate wing of the party, represented by McCarthy, could be facing a reckoning. Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH) and Steve Scalise (R-LA), both of whom represent the more conservative faction of the party, have thrown their hats into the ring.

The conflict between pragmatism and principled conservatism has been raging for more than a decade at this point, and it seems clear the Republicans are ready for something new, which might explain why so many supported ousting McCarthy. However, as I wrote earlier, even if a principled conservative is elected to replace the former speaker, corruption is likely too ingrained in the federal government for any one person to make a difference.

Still, this occurrence will almost certainly have a strong influence on where the GOP goes next. Will it continue using a more conciliatory approach with Democrats and focus on bipartisanship? Or will it become more antagonistic toward the left – at least in terms of rhetoric? The selection of the next speaker will provide a strong clue as to the future direction of the party, which is at a crossroads. I suppose we will find out soon enough how this all shakes out.

Again----Ive never understood this hand wringing over McCarthy. He wasnt very good and he was never anyone outside of Washington's first choice. I dont think the Republicans should seek more bipartisanship or try to be more antagonistic toward the left. I think they should concentrate on getting spending under control, get the border under control, and start legislating solutions to the issues that American families care about. Im good with investigating what is going on with the Bidens. Im good with forcing Homeland Security to do thier jobs on the border. Im good with investigations that expose the political corruption that has led to a two tiered justice system in the DOJ. If that leads to impeachments----so be it.

(10-04-2023 07:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:19 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  The main thing is McCarthy did remove Ukraine spending from the spending bill. This is once again a case of would you rather get a small something or nothing.

Are you simply going to ignore the fact that McCarthy made a deal with Biden* to introduce ukraine funding after the CR was signed?

The reason defense stocks dipped today was because it is going to be practically impossible to get that ukraine deal passed now. No speaker is going to try it, because they will get the boot.

Yes, because it needs to be something factual. The few sources I can even find talking about it are something Biden said before the McCarthy bill was passed. Nah I don't believe he made a secret behind the doors meeting without proof. Especially when the source is Joe Biden who didn't even say that just that he was trying to work with McCarthy to get funding back in. Not that he had made some secret deal.

(10-04-2023 06:33 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

Exactly.

(10-04-2023 06:38 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 01:08 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 12:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  You didnt miss anything and its not semantics. He was voted out. He's not stepping aside. He was voted out, and wont try to get back in.

This is like not doing what your boss told you to do and you get fired, and you decide not to reapply for the job. You didnt step aside, you got sh*tcanned.

Much like what happened on a national scale in 2020.

Do you honestly not see the straight-line analogy being drawn - - and which you just highlighted in orange - - UMsU? Or are the Trumplet blinders truly that impervious?

So you pretty much believe that biden & harris won in an honest election. Do I have that right ?

Nope. I instead believe that Donald Trump - - through his own laziness, arrogance and political incompetence - - managed to LOSE an election to a bunch of underhanded cheaters. There's a difference.

At least you, Rbd, aren't intellectually paralyzed by sounds of "Reeee" every time you encounter an opinion with which you disagree. That is to your credit.

ANYONE would have lost that election. Dude, you know I respect you but the whole Orange Man Bad thing is wearing thin. You have allowed your personal dislike of the man to cloud your judgement IMO. Don't be like some of our leftist losers here and become a one trick pony, you're too sharp for that.

TB4E, this may come as a surprise, but I don’t post here for your benefit. I post here for mine.

And, in any case, you’re wrong. Any Republican BUT Trump would have won reelection in 2020. Only Donald Trump could have pulled off that level of political incompetence. Losing a debate to Joe Biden???? Good God.

B.t.w., I thought about trimming some of the prior posts in this sub-thread, but then decided to leave them in just to piss off TOBA.