I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

(10-04-2023 06:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:44 PM)banker Wrote:  I’m not a big fan of Gaetz, but what he has done is not only right, but possibly the most right thing during my 40 years of voting.

Conservative principle number one in my book is personal responsibility. I think most others on the right hold it in high regard. This message board is constantly littered with posts calling for people and institutions to be held accountable. Kevin McCarthy was just held personally accountable for failing to honor his word and failure to help guide the House back on track to doing its job.

You can’t want Garland or Myorkas impeached and kicked out and turn around and defend the Speaker when his back room deals and failure to oversee a House that takes the use of the People’s treasure in a serious and prudent manner. He agreed to get us back to operating fiscally in an appropriate manner and then decided to just let the brokenness of the system continue.

At some point you have to stop the bleeding and send a message. This is a tough fight because so many of those House members have their hand in the cookie jar. We screw up every 2 years by not voting them out, so I’m glad somebody was willing to commit political suicide to make a statement for us.

Complicated issue, but this is about as good a summation as anyone can offer. Well done, banker. +3.

And well done in the final measure also to former Speaker McCarthy. When faced with his own obvious failure to deliver on the terms he promised, he did the right thing and announced that he was stepping aside. In other words, he accepted personal responsibility for his own missteps and subordinated his personal feelings about Matt Gaetz and others who had come after him personally. He in the end understands that the interests of the nation are much bigger and more important than him. Good for former Speaker McCarthy.

If only the Trumplets would likewise realize that this works both ways. And whatever personal dismay they may have regarding the undeniable mistreatment of their demigod is far less important then what is in the best interests of the nation. That, of course, won’t happen. Personal responsibility and integrity is only for the other chumps, in the view of the M.O.B. Brigade.

And now let the requisite “Reeee” and “TDS” wailing begin.

Wait, what? Am I missing something? He was voted out, he didn't step aside.

Article: "After vote to unseat him, Kevin McCarthy says he will not run again for House speaker". - - Link: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/10/...696347771/


Votes have consequences. For some, at least.

Semantics I guess.

(10-04-2023 10:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

Nah. His whining and hand wringing over the loss of McCarthy as Speaker has really made me rethink who he is. Same with Newt. Until a few days ago I would have been fully on board with making either Speaker—-now it’s clear McCarthy was their “guy” I don’t think I would want either in a leadership role today. There are over 200 House Republican’s to choose from—or make Trump Speaker. It wound be pretty interesting to have Trump investigating the DOJ and Biden.

(10-04-2023 08:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:53 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:46 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It was more than evident the man was DOA from the start. He simply had to make too many concessions to too many members just to get the position that there's no way he could sustain that.

Republicans simply cannot govern. It's not hard to see why when a key part of their platform is that they dislike government.

It's not that they dislike government they dislike enormous government. The democrats have successfully gotten a significant portion of the people hooked on government whether it be social security, or Lyndon Johnson's great society. They did it under the guise of attacking poverty but despite billions spent poverty still exists and one could argue it's worse than prior. Too many people today don't care about being free as much as they care about being taken care of and they seem to have no concept of the consequences.

Where Republicans are losing the American populace, is instead of doing the work to make government functional, they prefer to tear it all down. Maybe seeing that very tactic used inside your own party might make some realize how short sighted that is.

Kruciff, here is a thought exercise for you. Think of the smartest gov't employee that you personally know. My own selection happens to be named "Ken".

Now ask yourself, is your Ken someone that you want making decisions for you regarding how to conduct your own personal affairs? Or do you think that you can do a better job of that without Ken's involvement?

If you believe that you need Ken making important decisions for you, then you probably are just the kind of person that Democrats expect you to be. Congratulations on turning America into the nanny state that you crave.

Edit: And here's the corallary. Ken is the BEST of the bunch. Most of the gov't workers that I know are named "Margaret". I promise that you do NOT want Margaret making decisions for you.

I interact with numerous city and county employees daily, there's not one I want having that kind of control over my affairs.

(10-04-2023 08:06 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:53 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:46 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It was more than evident the man was DOA from the start. He simply had to make too many concessions to too many members just to get the position that there's no way he could sustain that.

Republicans simply cannot govern. It's not hard to see why when a key part of their platform is that they dislike government.

It's not that they dislike government they dislike enormous government. The democrats have successfully gotten a significant portion of the people hooked on government whether it be social security, or Lyndon Johnson's great society. They did it under the guise of attacking poverty but despite billions spent poverty still exists and one could argue it's worse than prior. Too many people today don't care about being free as much as they care about being taken care of and they seem to have no concept of the consequences.

Where Republicans are losing the American populace, is instead of doing the work to make government functional, they prefer to tear it all down. Maybe seeing that very tactic used inside your own party might make some realize how short sighted that is.

Kruciff, here is a thought exercise for you. Think of the smartest gov't employee that you personally know. My own selection happens to be named "Ken".

Now ask yourself, is your Ken someone that you want making decisions for you regarding how to conduct your own personal affairs? Or do you think that you can do a better job of that without Ken's involvement?

If you believe that you need Ken making important decisions for you, then you probably are just the kind of person that Democrats expect you to be. Congratulations on turning America into the nanny state that you crave.

I fail to see how strawman hypotheticals based on your own distrust of anything government does anything to address the fact that Republicans would rather see no government than any government, a stance which is not in tune with the rest of the country.

My answer to your hypothetical: Hold your elected representatives accountable, be informed, vote informed. Republicans don't do this.

And democrats do?? BAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(10-04-2023 08:12 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:06 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:53 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:46 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  It's not that they dislike government they dislike enormous government. The democrats have successfully gotten a significant portion of the people hooked on government whether it be social security, or Lyndon Johnson's great society. They did it under the guise of attacking poverty but despite billions spent poverty still exists and one could argue it's worse than prior. Too many people today don't care about being free as much as they care about being taken care of and they seem to have no concept of the consequences.

Where Republicans are losing the American populace, is instead of doing the work to make government functional, they prefer to tear it all down. Maybe seeing that very tactic used inside your own party might make some realize how short sighted that is.

Kruciff, here is a thought exercise for you. Think of the smartest gov't employee that you personally know. My own selection happens to be named "Ken".

Now ask yourself, is your Ken someone that you want making decisions for you regarding how to conduct your own personal affairs? Or do you think that you can do a better job of that without Ken's involvement?

If you believe that you need Ken making important decisions for you, then you probably are just the kind of person that Democrats expect you to be. Congratulations on turning America into the nanny state that you crave.

I fail to see how strawman hypotheticals based on your own distrust of anything government does anything to address the fact that Republicans would rather see no government than any government, a stance which is not in tune with the rest of the country.

My answer to your hypothetical: Hold your elected representatives accountable, be informed, vote informed. Republicans don't do this.

How is my comment a "strawman hypothetical"? Do you not personally know any gov't workers? Do you not understand that the function of government is to regulate the behavior of society?

What IS a strawman hypothetical? Your absurd comment that Republicans want NO government. Name one poster on this site who has said anything close to that. You can't.

He's just throwing out multisyllabic words to make himself seem halfway intelligent.

(10-04-2023 10:41 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 05:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:44 PM)banker Wrote:  I’m not a big fan of Gaetz, but what he has done is not only right, but possibly the most right thing during my 40 years of voting.

Conservative principle number one in my book is personal responsibility. I think most others on the right hold it in high regard. This message board is constantly littered with posts calling for people and institutions to be held accountable. Kevin McCarthy was just held personally accountable for failing to honor his word and failure to help guide the House back on track to doing its job.

You can’t want Garland or Myorkas impeached and kicked out and turn around and defend the Speaker when his back room deals and failure to oversee a House that takes the use of the People’s treasure in a serious and prudent manner. He agreed to get us back to operating fiscally in an appropriate manner and then decided to just let the brokenness of the system continue.

At some point you have to stop the bleeding and send a message. This is a tough fight because so many of those House members have their hand in the cookie jar. We screw up every 2 years by not voting them out, so I’m glad somebody was willing to commit political suicide to make a statement for us.

Complicated issue, but this is about as good a summation as anyone can offer. Well done, banker. +3.

And well done in the final measure also to former Speaker McCarthy. When faced with his own obvious failure to deliver on the terms he promised, he did the right thing and announced that he was stepping aside. In other words, he accepted personal responsibility for his own missteps and subordinated his personal feelings about Matt Gaetz and others who had come after him personally. He in the end understands that the interests of the nation are much bigger and more important than him. Good for former Speaker McCarthy.

If only the Trumplets would likewise realize that this works both ways. And whatever personal dismay they may have regarding the undeniable mistreatment of their demigod is far less important then what is in the best interests of the nation. That, of course, won’t happen. Personal responsibility and integrity is only for the other chumps, in the view of the M.O.B. Brigade.

And now let the requisite “Reeee” and “TDS” wailing begin.

Wait, what? Am I missing something? He was voted out, he didn't step aside.

Article: "After vote to unseat him, Kevin McCarthy says he will not run again for House speaker". - - Link: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/10/...696347771/


Votes have consequences. For some, at least.

Semantics I guess.

You didnt miss anything and its not semantics. He was voted out. He's not stepping aside. He was voted out, and wont try to get back in.

This is like not doing what your boss told you to do and you get fired, and you decide not to reapply for the job. You didnt step aside, you got sh*tcanned.

(10-04-2023 10:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  I'd vote for Mark Levin to be the new Speaker of the House.

he’d be great if the pubs held the majority in all three branches … regardless, I do like someone that isn’t a sitting rep … Newt would be a good one as well…

the question becomes, “would an outsider want to step up to the challenge?”

(10-04-2023 08:19 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  newt said to run Gaetz's out of congress on a rail

Who care's what Newt said. Is Newt still relevant. No. In fact he failed to cement his Contract with America securely enough to withstand the subsequent Marxist attacks and look where we are now. Hell, it never got past the first item on the list: require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress. All it was was more BS campaign promises that were never delivered on. Same as it ever was.

(10-04-2023 08:31 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Some around here are more upset about a messy situation involving a vacated Speaker of the House seat, which is minor in comparison, than the complete chaos that’s going on in this nation right now from every corner of government and society. There are estimates that 10 million illegals have entered this country in last few years. Ukraine spending is more important than anything else and the FBI is brazen about their bootstrap tactics…..these are just a taste of examples

Most people are easily distracted by flashing lights and bells and whistles.

(10-04-2023 08:43 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:53 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:46 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It was more than evident the man was DOA from the start. He simply had to make too many concessions to too many members just to get the position that there's no way he could sustain that.

Republicans simply cannot govern. It's not hard to see why when a key part of their platform is that they dislike government.

It's not that they dislike government they dislike enormous government. The democrats have successfully gotten a significant portion of the people hooked on government whether it be social security, or Lyndon Johnson's great society. They did it under the guise of attacking poverty but despite billions spent poverty still exists and one could argue it's worse than prior. Too many people today don't care about being free as much as they care about being taken care of and they seem to have no concept of the consequences.

Where Republicans are losing the American populace, is instead of doing the work to make government functional, they prefer to tear it all down. Maybe seeing that very tactic used inside your own party might make some realize how short sighted that is.

That's not true at all. Scaling government back to it's constitutional responsibilities is not tearing it down. Democrats are flat liars when it comes to this and can't ever seem to come to grips that the country is spending itself in to oblivion. Short sighted is continuing to spend money you don't have.

Come on now, in fairness to him he just wants Uncle Sam to be his sugar daddy. He can't imagine a world where he is the one responsible for his own life.

(10-04-2023 09:06 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 12:46 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Gaetz is the right's AOC. Not too bright, dedicated to getting his face and name in the news, and generally a hypocrite.

McCarthy made promises when he got the Gang of 10 to approve him for speaker.

He didnt live up to those promises.. so Gaetz demanded the vote.

Maybe if other Republicans had balls, we would no longer be funding the Ukraine, we'd worry about crime in our cities ,and we'd worry about the border.

This was past due, and if Republicans can't see it, so be it.

Y'all complained about the UNIPARTY, and Gaetz just said enough is enough of the Uniparty bs... and now everyone's whining and complaining about "Unity".

F Unity.. f Republicans for not getting their head out of the Democrats a$$es, f Democrats altogether, and f McCarthy, you made a deal for the job, you didn't keep up the deal, good bye.

(10-04-2023 10:13 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Democrats are in lock step alright and that is terrible for the country.

And republicans cannot seem to offer any viable alternatives.

Stupid party versus evil party.

(10-04-2023 10:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:13 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Democrats are in lock step alright and that is terrible for the country.

And republicans cannot seem to offer any viable alternatives.

Stupid party versus evil party.

Prog filth v not prog filth

That is your choice.

Both parties are stupid.

Democrats hate america, you, themselves.
They embrace evil.

That is your choice.

(10-04-2023 10:45 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  He's just throwing out multisyllabic words to make himself seem halfway intelligent.

And failing.

(10-04-2023 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Democrats hate america, you, themselves.
They embrace evil.

And republicans are powerless to stop them because of their own political stupidity.

McCarthy is pretty useless, but there is no way this can turn out well.

(10-04-2023 11:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Democrats hate america, you, themselves.
They embrace evil.

And republicans are powerless to stop them because of their own political stupidity.

McCarthy is pretty useless, but there is no way this can turn out well.

I guess Im just more optimistic than that. I dont get all the hand wringing over McCarthy being unseated. To me, its like moving on from a bad coach or a QB that just cant do the job. The Republicans will settle on someone---and that person is likely to be just as good as McCarthy----hopefully better. Either way---whoever becomes Speaker----will enter the job with the complete understanding that if they refuse to do what they promise to do (to get the votes they need to win) they will lose the Speakership just like McCarthy. I dont have any issue with that. Frankly, Ive felt from the start there were better choices for leader than McCarthy. Now is not the time for a weak willed leader who just wants to just keep doing what we are doing because addressing the nations biggest problems is "hard". Thats all McCarthy was.

The reaction to this from the usual suspects (talking heads and pundits) really tells me who is who and what they really believe.

My take:
So they ditched a Speaker who didn't hold to a deal.
It's not like the VP and Treasury Sec had a duel ... what country could survive that.

(10-04-2023 11:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 11:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Democrats hate america, you, themselves.
They embrace evil.

And republicans are powerless to stop them because of their own political stupidity.

McCarthy is pretty useless, but there is no way this can turn out well.

I guess Im just more optimistic than that. I dont get all the hand wringing over McCarthy being unseated. To me, its like moving on from a bad coach or a QB that just cant do the job. The Republicans will settle on someone---and that person is likely to be just as good as McCarthy----hopefully better. Either way---whoever becomes Speaker----will enter the job with the complete understanding that if they refuse to do what they promise to do (to get the votes they need to win) they will lose the Speakership just like McCarthy. I dont have any issue with that. Frankly, Ive felt from the start there were better choices for leader than McCarthy. Now is not the time for a weak willed leader who just wants to just keep doing what we are doing because addressing the nations biggest problems is "hard". Thats all McCarthy was.

Our older fans are still complaining about a coach that had become stale and was replaced in 2007 like all would be well if we would have just kept him. This country needs change and it needs it fast. Continuing the same old same old isn't going to work for very long.

(10-04-2023 10:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 10:13 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Democrats are in lock step alright and that is terrible for the country.

And republicans cannot seem to offer any viable alternatives.

Stupid party versus evil party.

Pretty much.