(10-04-2023 06:00 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:15 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 02:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 12:46 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Gaetz is the right's AOC. Not too bright, dedicated to getting his face and name in the news, and generally a hypocrite.

Sorry, but Gaetz would run circles around AOC. Its not complicated. He wants to get spending under control. An 8% decrease is not even scratching the surface of the kind of budget cutting that needs to be done. Anyone who cant understand that a 2 trillion dollar a year budget deficit is not sustainable has no business being in a leadership position for the nation. We havent passed a proper budget in this nation since the 1990's. Just let that sink in for moment. Thats not governing---thats coasting---and its really not about being Republican or Democrat. Its time to govern.

I don't disagree with getting spending under control and getting to a balanced budget. I just don't like Gaetz. He comes across to me as a lifelong smarmy politician, a bit sleazy. He's looking out for himself and wants a higher office. Thats just how I feel about him. It's a gut feeling.

You just described every politician in Washington.

Generally true. I do believe there are some good people in Congress, however that number is smaller and smaller.

(10-03-2023 04:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

I'm not sure I heard him say anything objectionable in any of that.

(10-03-2023 04:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:18 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Whoever the Speaker is to me is powerless. So yeah it’s an interesting story but if the GOP nominates someone else it’s not like they will be ultra conservative and the spending will stop.


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That wasnt even what was required. All that was required was for McCarthy to go back to normal budget process were the 12 funding bills were individually passed. Thats all he had to do. The rest is up to the overall membership of the House. Instead---with only one bill passed----McCarthy sent everyone on a 6 week vacation setting them up to return one week before the all 12 bills were due. McCarthy did this to himself.

People here have biatched and moaned all along at the job McCarthy was - or wasn't - doing and now that someone stood up and said enough those same people are now biatching and moaning about his removal. Interesting.

(10-03-2023 04:33 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  send a 16 year old to Gaetz's room

and get it over with

That's all you have to offer? Imagine that. Union supporters have never been the brightest bulbs so it kind of figures.

(10-03-2023 04:37 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Who here doesn't agree with everything Gaetz said in that statement. Hell, we talk about it everyday here.

Exactly right although you wouldn't know it based on the reactions from some of the same people you're talking about.

(10-03-2023 04:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:37 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Who here doesn't agree with everything Gaetz said in that statement. Hell, we talk about it everyday here.

I don't agree with anything he said.

And I think what he did hurts the Republicans in getting more conservative things passed. He is just the right's version of the woke. 100% for me or you are the enemy.

You can't be serious.

(10-03-2023 05:05 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

I can't disagree with anything he says here.

No reasonable person can and yet some here do, it's a bit disorienting.

(10-03-2023 05:56 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:55 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:37 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Something that needs to be said is that Matt Gaetz can be absolutely right that McCarthy is not a good speaker. The problem is this will be 100% pinned on republicans making chances of elections going their way less likely. And that's if they manage to thread the needle and elect another republican leader that might be slightly better than McCarthy. Which I don't think will happen. So at best it's bad for republicans. At worse it's catastrophic.

The GOP wont win key races because the establishment has sabotaged the populist wing of the party for years. The RNC controls the funding for elections and would rather lose if MAGA types end up being the nominee. You can blame MAGA all you want (I don’t disagree that some candidate last cycle that were Trump backed were terrible), but more blame needs to shift to McConnell/Ryan for undercutting momentum on that side of the party


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Funding was given to Trump supporting candidates. It was not given to all MAGA candidates just like it wasn't given to some non Trump supporting candidates.

It's also funny that McCarthy did one of the exact same things that Trump did. Trump went behind republicans back and negotiated with the dems to increase spending rather than decrease it.

You're beginning to sound like DavidSt with better grammar.

I had to scroll back up to see if it was David posting that.

(10-03-2023 06:53 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:39 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If a RINO has to win in order for the GOP to have a healthy “majority” then it’s not really a majority to begin with. That is exactly how we got Trump in 2016, failed RINOs who talked a big game but when the chips were down - fold.


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And if you read the post that are the loudest in this thread it's mostly the.....

Never Trumpers.

They now care if a Democrat is the Speaker of the House but they don't give a shite if they elect Biden or any other democrat as President.

This^

(10-03-2023 07:46 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 07:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 07:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The GOP is effed. Gaetz should be hung from a tree. Here's the votes to remove McCarthy...

208 DEMS
8 GOP

Eight. EIGHT GOP cowards joined with the DEMS to remove the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE that has never happened in our history as a country.

Makes me want to puke. 8 GOPers over 210 wield power joining with the DEMS. Traitors. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

HEY GAETZ! HEY GREASY OIL HAIRED GAETZ! YOU RUNNING FOR SPEAKER? NOPE! YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND WHO WILL GET ELECTED AS SPEAKER? NOPE!

I hope the little Baptist brat who likes to get wrapped up in sex scandals gets primaried out.

Newt looking to become relevant again?

(10-04-2023 06:30 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Newt looking to become relevant again?

Would be better than what they have now.

(10-03-2023 08:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 08:32 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Well done Gaetz. All of you that are reeeeeeeee please change your panties.

One rino gets the guillotine and you guys are ready to surrender.

Reagan weeps

Uh oh, look out for that RINO label that's being tossed around...

(10-03-2023 09:16 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:10 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:04 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  You have an inside source that this will be old news by next Friday? The point is not McCarthy's replacement. The issue is 8 traitors sided with the DEMS to oust a speaker from their OWN PARTY. This HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. Nancy Pelosi wasn't ousted by the DEMS for crying out loud. If that doesn't bother you then join with the traitors!

Oh please. Maybe once it's all over you will be able to sleep at night. Traitors. Your middle school drama teacher would be proud.

I'm sleeping just fine. Telling the truth isn't hard. Apparently, accepting it for a few is.

You are free to tell your truth just as we are free to either accept or reject it. Some of us aren't prone to knee jerk reactions.

It was more than evident the man was DOA from the start. He simply had to make too many concessions to too many members just to get the position that there's no way he could sustain that.

Republicans simply cannot govern. It's not hard to see why when a key part of their platform is that they dislike government.

(10-03-2023 09:44 PM)banker Wrote:  I’m not a big fan of Gaetz, but what he has done is not only right, but possibly the most right thing during my 40 years of voting.

Conservative principle number one in my book is personal responsibility. I think most others on the right hold it in high regard. This message board is constantly littered with posts calling for people and institutions to be held accountable. Kevin McCarthy was just held personally accountable for failing to honor his word and failure to help guide the House back on track to doing its job.

You can’t want Garland or Myorkas impeached and kicked out and turn around and defend the Speaker when his back room deals and failure to oversee a House that takes the use of the People’s treasure in a serious and prudent manner. He agreed to get us back to operating fiscally in an appropriate manner and then decided to just let the brokenness of the system continue.

At some point you have to stop the bleeding and send a message. This is a tough fight because so many of those House members have their hand in the cookie jar. We screw up every 2 years by not voting them out, so I’m glad somebody was willing to commit political suicide to make a statement for us.

Very well said.

(10-03-2023 09:45 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Shocking not so shocking - Pelosi never moved out of the House of Speaker office and McCarthy never forced her out.

McCarthy deserved to be axed for that alone. I guarantee no democrat would have allowed a replaced GOP speaker to maintain their old office.

(10-04-2023 04:20 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 10:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The gop is all talk.

They finally do something and all rhe bedwetters are out wringing their hands.

Well doñe gaetz

The right people are pissed

yep .... and the pooswahs wonder why the pubs have a 'problem'...

Gaetz just stomped 'em a new pee hole...

And with the exception of about 5 people here everyone is acting as if Gaetz just upset their apple cart. Maybe he did, maybe it needed upset.

(10-04-2023 05:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 09:44 PM)banker Wrote:  I’m not a big fan of Gaetz, but what he has done is not only right, but possibly the most right thing during my 40 years of voting.

Conservative principle number one in my book is personal responsibility. I think most others on the right hold it in high regard. This message board is constantly littered with posts calling for people and institutions to be held accountable. Kevin McCarthy was just held personally accountable for failing to honor his word and failure to help guide the House back on track to doing its job.

You can’t want Garland or Myorkas impeached and kicked out and turn around and defend the Speaker when his back room deals and failure to oversee a House that takes the use of the People’s treasure in a serious and prudent manner. He agreed to get us back to operating fiscally in an appropriate manner and then decided to just let the brokenness of the system continue.

At some point you have to stop the bleeding and send a message. This is a tough fight because so many of those House members have their hand in the cookie jar. We screw up every 2 years by not voting them out, so I’m glad somebody was willing to commit political suicide to make a statement for us.

Complicated issue, but this is about as good a summation as anyone can offer. Well done, banker. +3.

And well done in the final measure also to former Speaker McCarthy. When faced with his own obvious failure to deliver on the terms he promised, he did the right thing and announced that he was stepping aside. In other words, he accepted personal responsibility for his own missteps and subordinated his personal feelings about Matt Gaetz and others who had come after him personally. He in the end understands that the interests of the nation are much bigger and more important than him. Good for former Speaker McCarthy.

If only the Trumplets would likewise realize that this works both ways. And whatever personal dismay they may have regarding the undeniable mistreatment of their demigod is far less important then what is in the best interests of the nation. That, of course, won’t happen. Personal responsibility and integrity is only for the other chumps, in the view of the M.O.B. Brigade.

And now let the requisite “Reeee” and “TDS” wailing begin.

Wait, what? Am I missing something? He was voted out, he didn't step aside.

(10-04-2023 06:04 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:00 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:15 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 02:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 12:46 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Gaetz is the right's AOC. Not too bright, dedicated to getting his face and name in the news, and generally a hypocrite.

Sorry, but Gaetz would run circles around AOC. Its not complicated. He wants to get spending under control. An 8% decrease is not even scratching the surface of the kind of budget cutting that needs to be done. Anyone who cant understand that a 2 trillion dollar a year budget deficit is not sustainable has no business being in a leadership position for the nation. We havent passed a proper budget in this nation since the 1990's. Just let that sink in for moment. Thats not governing---thats coasting---and its really not about being Republican or Democrat. Its time to govern.

I don't disagree with getting spending under control and getting to a balanced budget. I just don't like Gaetz. He comes across to me as a lifelong smarmy politician, a bit sleazy. He's looking out for himself and wants a higher office. Thats just how I feel about him. It's a gut feeling.

You just described every politician in Washington.

Generally true. I do believe there are some good people in Congress, however that number is smaller and smaller.

Of any who have gained any notoriety or celebrity I can think of maybe 2-3 who I'd consider "good". Rand Paul and uh... well, I don't know who else.

(10-04-2023 06:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:30 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Newt looking to become relevant again?

Would be better than what they have now.

Yet another dinosaur who embodies everything the current generation clams to hate? Rich - check. White - check. Old - check....