(10-04-2023 07:53 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 07:46 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 06:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It was more than evident the man was DOA from the start. He simply had to make too many concessions to too many members just to get the position that there's no way he could sustain that.

Republicans simply cannot govern. It's not hard to see why when a key part of their platform is that they dislike government.

It's not that they dislike government they dislike enormous government. The democrats have successfully gotten a significant portion of the people hooked on government whether it be social security, or Lyndon Johnson's great society. They did it under the guise of attacking poverty but despite billions spent poverty still exists and one could argue it's worse than prior. Too many people today don't care about being free as much as they care about being taken care of and they seem to have no concept of the consequences.

Where Republicans are losing the American populace, is instead of doing the work to make government functional, they prefer to tear it all down. Maybe seeing that very tactic used inside your own party might make some realize how short sighted that is.

That's not true at all. Scaling government back to it's constitutional responsibilities is not tearing it down. Democrats are flat liars when it comes to this and can't ever seem to come to grips that the country is spending itself in to oblivion. Short sighted is continuing to spend money you don't have.

(10-04-2023 08:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:31 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Some around here are more upset about a messy situation involving a vacated Speaker of the House seat, which is minor in comparison, than the complete chaos that’s going on in this nation right now from every corner of government and society. There are estimates that 10 million illegals have entered this country in last few years. Ukraine spending is more important than anything else and the FBI is brazen about their bootstrap tactics…..these are just a taste of examples

Exactly. None of this matters at all. The only people who care are the people who follow the daily fodder from DC.


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Some people are soft. ‘Democracy’ is messy. Wanting it to be otherwise is pointless. The history of our Republic within government is often messy

(10-04-2023 08:24 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Republicans can't govern... Yea... The Dems are doing a knockout job...

Said. No. One.

(10-04-2023 08:48 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:31 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Some around here are more upset about a messy situation involving a vacated Speaker of the House seat, which is minor in comparison, than the complete chaos that’s going on in this nation right now from every corner of government and society. There are estimates that 10 million illegals have entered this country in last few years. Ukraine spending is more important than anything else and the FBI is brazen about their bootstrap tactics…..these are just a taste of examples

Exactly. None of this matters at all. The only people who care are the people who follow the daily fodder from DC.


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Some people are soft. ‘Democracy’ is messy. Wanting it to be otherwise is pointless. The history of our Republic within government is often messy

Oh, it's going to get a whole lot messier in 13 months.

McCarthy agreed to a set of terms and conditions to get the gavel.
He did not meet them and one was an "ouster" clause.
The ouster clause was executed.

DC is stunned someone was actually held to account to an agreement they made. But that's how the real world works.

I wasn't sure McCarthy needed to go until last night when I learned Pelosi hadn't moved out of the Speaker's office yet. If McCarthy is that weak, and beholden to old guard DC and Democrats, he need be gone.

(10-04-2023 08:39 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  McCarthy made concessions in order to become Speaker.

He made those concessions, regardless of how the process played out, in good faith.

Either he violated those one or more of those concessions or he honored them all.

Unless there is evidence that he honored all concessions, the Gaetz and others were right in removing him. And not only were they right, any Republicans who opposed his ouster are in the wrong.

McCarthy should be held accountable to his word.

Of course the Democrats would vote against him, or any Republican for that matter.


For those saying the GOP members should stick together, does that mean they should stick together to support a man who broke his word or to depose him?

I didn't hear "The sky is falling" when McCarthy placed Congress on Recess for 6 weeks in August knowing there was a budget that had to be completed. Also, there is no reason Mayorkas should still be in his position. Didn't Republicans run on that during the '22 election? This will be nothing come election "season". There will be tons of other things that actually affect people going on by then.

(10-04-2023 08:06 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I fail to see how strawman hypotheticals based on your own distrust of anything government does anything to address the fact that Republicans would rather see no government than any government, a stance which is not in tune with the rest of the country.

My answer to your hypothetical: Hold your elected representatives accountable, be informed, vote informed. Republicans don't do this.

The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is where they want to control you. To say that Republicans would rather see no government than any government is completely opposite of the truth.

(10-04-2023 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:06 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I fail to see how strawman hypotheticals based on your own distrust of anything government does anything to address the fact that Republicans would rather see no government than any government, a stance which is not in tune with the rest of the country.

My answer to your hypothetical: Hold your elected representatives accountable, be informed, vote informed. Republicans don't do this.

The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is where they want to control you. To say that Republicans would rather see no government than any government is completely opposite of the truth.

Yep. Republicans and Democrats = two wings on the same bird.

(10-03-2023 12:46 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Gaetz is the right's AOC. Not too bright, dedicated to getting his face and name in the news, and generally a hypocrite.

McCarthy made promises when he got the Gang of 10 to approve him for speaker.

He didnt live up to those promises.. so Gaetz demanded the vote.

Maybe if other Republicans had balls, we would no longer be funding the Ukraine, we'd worry about crime in our cities ,and we'd worry about the border.

This was past due, and if Republicans can't see it, so be it.

Y'all complained about the UNIPARTY, and Gaetz just said enough is enough of the Uniparty bs... and now everyone's whining and complaining about "Unity".

F Unity.. f Republicans for not getting their head out of the Democrats a$$es, f Democrats altogether, and f McCarthy, you made a deal for the job, you didn't keep up the deal, good bye.

8 GOP voted with Prog Filth to remove the Speaker. I guess the Prog Filth t-shirts were torn up for that one.

Many tout the in-fighting and "eating their own" on the left. I guess that one was thrown in the can too.

What did the DEMS gain? What did the GOP lose? Nothing will get done until a new Speaker is put in place. When is that going to be and who will get the votes? Meanwhile, Biden and the Prog Filth get a free pass while they continue destroying our country. The majority House party can only quibble and fight themselves while the left unites and sits back eating popcorn.

Congratulations. Someone on the right finally did something! That'll show 'em! Well, something is better than nothing. SMDH.

(10-04-2023 09:07 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  8 GOP voted with Prog Filth to remove the Speaker. I guess the Prog Filth t-shirts were torn up for that one.

What you don't understand is that the people who constantly scream prog filth here only like those 8. The other 427 representatives are prog filth to them.

(10-04-2023 09:07 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  8 GOP voted with Prog Filth to remove the Speaker. I guess the Prog Filth t-shirts were torn up for that one.

Many tout the in-fighting and "eating their own" on the left. I guess that one was thrown in the can too.

What did the DEMS gain? What did the GOP lose? Nothing will get done until a new Speaker is put in place. When is that going to be and who will get the votes? Meanwhile, Biden and the Prog Filth get a free pass while they continue destroying our country. The majority House party can only quibble and fight themselves while the left unites and sits back eating popcorn.

Congratulations. Someone on the right finally did something! That'll show 'em! Well, something is better than nothing. SMDH.

I didn't hear your whining when 126 Republicans voted with all but 1 of the Democrats to continue the Democrat budget.

(10-04-2023 09:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I didn't hear your whining when 126 Republicans voted with all but 1 of the Democrats to continue the Democrat budget.

What budget?

(10-04-2023 09:18 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 09:07 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  8 GOP voted with Prog Filth to remove the Speaker. I guess the Prog Filth t-shirts were torn up for that one.

What you don't understand is that the people who constantly scream prog filth here only like those 8. The other 427 representatives are prog filth to them.

Wrong. They are ALL prog filth.

(10-04-2023 09:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 09:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I didn't hear your whining when 126 Republicans voted with all but 1 of the Democrats to continue the Democrat budget.

What budget?

Exactly. It was a Continuing Resolution. By LAW Congress must pass a budget with Appropriation Bills. When was the last time that happened. I just heard Dan Crenshaw agree that is what THEY are required to do but said "It is hard and takes time". That is the excuse coming from a Navy Seal. "It's hard". They had eight months. It is part of the job description of members of Congress. But instead, they want to continue what the Democrats want. Folks on the Right complain every day that the US spends too much money, but don't want to do what it takes to change things. Anyone that thinks the Eight Rs that voted to oust McCarthy are on the side of the Democratrs have no clue. What do you expect the Democrats to do? If you want things changed, you gotta start at the top. McCarthy thought they were bluffing. He lost. Next man up. Need a ball buster in there. This country can't go on much longer with the status quo. Japan holds most of our debt, and their yen is in the dumps because of it, because we can't pay them back.

(10-04-2023 08:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:24 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Republicans can't govern... Yea... The Dems are doing a knockout job...

Said. No. One.

You're right.. You said

(10-04-2023 06:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Republicans simply cannot govern.

I guess nobody said that either.

(10-04-2023 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:06 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I fail to see how strawman hypotheticals based on your own distrust of anything government does anything to address the fact that Republicans would rather see no government than any government, a stance which is not in tune with the rest of the country.

My answer to your hypothetical: Hold your elected representatives accountable, be informed, vote informed. Republicans don't do this.

The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is where they want to control you. To say that Republicans would rather see no government than any government is completely opposite of the truth.

The biggest difference between Republicans and Democrats is that the Democrats are aligned, and are singularly focused on making sure what happened in 2016-2021 doesn't happen again.

The only thing Republicans can align on is a vague reference to "less government" which no one can agree to the meaning of.

McCarthy Removed in Historic Vote, 1st Time House Speaker Voted Out

We'll have to wait and see if this works out or really changes anything. The uncontrolled and irresponsible spending like fools by both party's leadership for decades has done near-irreparable damage to our republic. The out-of-touch 'leaders' of both parties have refused to admit we have not enough money to pay our own bills, and yet they willfully ship billions overseas to enemies and near-enemies while our citizens suffer. At the same time they willfully allow millions of people to illegally squat here and suck money out of our economy and coffers to ship it overseas themselves. The 'great society' was a complete and utter failure. Poverty reigns and not a difference was made except in the negative. The new deal was a raw deal for American citizens and needs to be wholly revoked. We must return our republic to fiscal responsibility and guarantee the liberties and freedoms of citizens without big-government interference and usurpation of rights, whilst simultaneously standing fast against awarding constitutional protections to those who are illegally usurping it. If we are to turn the tide and save our republic, this is a necessary step. But I'm skeptical of how it will ultimately work out.

(10-04-2023 10:09 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 09:03 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 08:06 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I fail to see how strawman hypotheticals based on your own distrust of anything government does anything to address the fact that Republicans would rather see no government than any government, a stance which is not in tune with the rest of the country.

My answer to your hypothetical: Hold your elected representatives accountable, be informed, vote informed. Republicans don't do this.

The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is where they want to control you. To say that Republicans would rather see no government than any government is completely opposite of the truth.

The biggest difference between Republicans and Democrats is that the Democrats are aligned, and are singularly focused on making sure what happened in 2016-2021 doesn't happen again.

The only thing Republicans can align on is a vague reference to "less government" which no one can agree to the meaning of.

Be a shame to go back to a good economy, lower energy costs, and fewer illegal border crossings.
Democrats are in lock step alright and that is terrible for the country.

(10-04-2023 09:37 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 09:26 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2023 09:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I didn't hear your whining when 126 Republicans voted with all but 1 of the Democrats to continue the Democrat budget.

What budget?

Exactly. It was a Continuing Resolution. By LAW Congress must pass a budget with Appropriation Bills. When was the last time that happened. I just heard Dan Crenshaw agree that is what THEY are required to do but said "It is hard and takes time". That is the excuse coming from a Navy Seal. "It's hard". They had eight months. It is part of the job description of members of Congress. But instead, they want to continue what the Democrats want. Folks on the Right complain every day that the US spends too much money, but don't want to do what it takes to change things. Anyone that thinks the Eight Rs that voted to oust McCarthy have no clue. If you want things changed, you gotta start at the top. McCarthy thought they were bluffing. He lost. Next man up. Need a ball buster in there. This country can't go on much longer with the status quo. Japan holds most of our debt, and their yen in in the dumps because of it, because we can't pay them back.

Thank you.

You know, the budget process would be a lot easier if we hadn’t grown the federal government into a bloated hog.