(10-03-2023 04:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Fox reporter just said until further notice, the House Republicans are in a "kind of paralysis" b/c they can't legislate anything until they select a Speaker, and right now, nobody has a clear majority.

This could go on indefinitely.

They have to pick someone. Its not like they are being asked to invent cold fusion. The real lesson here is to do what you promise to do to get elected Speaker.

yep. Its not that hard.

The next speaker will have to agree to the terms, or they will get booted too. This is the way it is SUPPOSED to work.

And the terms are not unreasonable. They are extremely reasonable, logical, and supported by most everyone.

Well by 8 Republicans anyway.

We are getting paralyzed like Israel and other multi-party democracies. A tiny minority holds everyone hostage.

(10-03-2023 04:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Who here doesn't agree with everything Gaetz said in that statement. Hell, we talk about it everyday here.

This really is the stupid party against the evil party.

(10-03-2023 04:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:47 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  I mean all democrats voting with the 11 republicans which includes Gaetz, should concern everyone when all the dems are teaming up with them to make this happen.

Ehh. The Democrats are voting against any Republican. This vote simply reflects the fact that McCarthy cannot get a majority of the House from the Republican Party. He barely had them in January when he was elected and his failure to follow through with the agreement he made with the GOP members caused him to lose the Speakership. I think its a good thing. The next Speaker wont think he can get away with ignoring promises to his own Party members.

The problem is he had Matt Gaetz and 7 other RINOS vote against him.

They voted against a CR. Is that what McCarthy promised? Nope. Is that passing 12 individual bills to fund the government? Nope. Did McCarthy understand that sending everyone on 6 week vacation likley would make it impossible to pass 11 bill in time to keep the government running? Im sure he did---and if he didnt, then he's too stupid to be Speaker. Its pretty clear McCarthy never had any intention of following through with his January promises. How hard was it to just release the Jan6th tapes? I mean---seriously? That was low hanging fruit---but McCarthy refused to do it. I find it inexplicable. What he promised was just not that hard to do. Pelosi managed a small majority just fine. No reason the right Republican Speaker cant do the same. Pelosi did fine because she figured out that the energy in the Democrat Party was with the Progressives. Not sure why we cant figure out that the energy in the Republican Party is NOT with the RINOs.

(10-03-2023 04:37 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Who here doesn't agree with everything Gaetz said in that statement. Hell, we talk about it everyday here.

I don't agree with anything he said.

And I think what he did hurts the Republicans in getting more conservative things passed. He is just the right's version of the woke. 100% for me or you are the enemy.

Republicans may be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. No question McCarthy has been a weak speaker. But what comes next could be worse.

(10-03-2023 04:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:37 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Who here doesn't agree with everything Gaetz said in that statement. Hell, we talk about it everyday here.

I don't agree with anything he said.

And I think what he did hurts the Republicans in getting more conservative things passed. He is just the right's version of the woke. 100% for me or you are the enemy.

The problem McCarthy has is Gaetz is not asking for anything unreasonable. So yeah---if your obstructing reasonable requests that are not only good for the party---but good for the ENTIRE NATION (like getting back to the normal budgeting process)---Gaetz is right----McCarthy is no better than the Democrats. Gaetz isnt asking to be Speaker. He's simply asking that McCarthy either live up to his agreement or get removed. McCarthy picked the latter. Thats on him.

With McCarthy voted out---a number of legit options who were hesitant to be considered in January are now going to be available. Im sure the Republicans will settle on someone---and whoever it is----after todays lesson----will not likely be making promises they dont intend to keep.

I've never seen CNN, MSNBC, and all the other liberal news networks so ecstatic. They are even happier about this than when Trump left office.

really didn't see this coming but maybe I undersestimated this.

(10-03-2023 04:49 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  I've never seen CNN, MSNBC, and all the other liberal news networks so ecstatic. They are even happier about this than when Trump left office.

Watching the Republicans in full civil war... they love it.

(10-03-2023 04:53 PM)fsquid Wrote:  really didn't see this coming but maybe I undersestimated this.

These are the rules McCarthy agreed to in order to secure his speakership. He is the the one that has to deal with it because it’s ultimately on him for agreeing to them

(10-03-2023 04:54 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:49 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  I've never seen CNN, MSNBC, and all the other liberal news networks so ecstatic. They are even happier about this than when Trump left office.

Watching the Republicans in full civil war... they love it.

That's why Biden wants to run again, and that's why he'll win. Look at the debate from the other night. A complete and total disaster.

I can't disagree with anything he says here.

The next SOH could well be a Democrat. The Republicans are in absolute chaos/disarray. I would wager there is a bit of bitterness in that camp right now.

I hope some non-members of Congress are nominated. Someone like a CEO or retired General.

I'm sure the "Controlling 8" led by Mastermind Gaetz have some people in mind.

(10-03-2023 03:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Fox reporter just said until further notice, the House Republicans are in a "kind of paralysis" b/c they can't legislate anything until they select a Speaker, and right now, nobody has a clear majority.

This could go on indefinitely.

They have to pick someone. Its not like they are being asked to invent cold fusion. The real lesson here is to do what you promise to do to get elected Speaker.

Simple.

Elect Trump. They can find a seat for him somewhere if necessary, but I don’t think it is.


Let DeSantis win the POTUS. Take a couple Senate seats and get to work.

Easy peasy.

McCarthy's famous last words to Gaetz; "Bring it on!"

Kind of sounded like he was channeling Liz Cheney. Same result.

But the arrogance of McCarthy there was staggering. He was basically saying "Im' not going to follow the rules of voting on single measure spending bills like I promised, we will do CR's like I promised we wouldnt, and if you make me twist and give up ukraine funding, I will go and slob on Bidens* knob for a secret deal where I promise to sneak it back in. "

McCarthy had the democrats on the ropes on this issue. Polls showed people were blaming Biden* and the democrats for any government shutdown. What does McCarthy do? He breaks his rules promises and caves.

(10-03-2023 04:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Once again, democrats act in lockstep, republicans drift all around. This is why we lose.

We are going to end up with a RINO or a democrat.

McCarthy was a RINO.


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(10-03-2023 05:18 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Once again, democrats act in lockstep, republicans drift all around. This is why we lose.

We are going to end up with a RINO or a democrat.

McCarthy was a RINO.


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Exactly. I never wanted that guy in the first place.

And if Jeffries turns out to be the next speaker then that’s what happens. Is there really a true difference anyway? Budgets soaring, omnibus on the way, unchecked border and endless cash to Ukraine. Let the Dems own it


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(10-03-2023 05:21 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  And if Jeffries turns out to be the next speaker then that’s what happens. Is there really a true difference anyway? Budgets soaring, omnibus on the way, unchecked border and endless cash to Ukraine. Let the Dems own it


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Yup. McCarthy--Jeffries. Same outcome. The Republicans still have a majority. Where is the Republican Pelosi? I find it hard to believe we dont have one person who wont walk into negotiations ready to fold before the talks even start. One thing is for sure----a lot of people who refused to be considered in January will now be comfortable throwing their hat in the ring. I suspect we will end up with a better Speaker when this all over. I'd personally love Jim Jordan as Speaker.