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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:18 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 01:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:18 PM)green Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 01:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? There are good reasons why nobody is buying the silly spin you're selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Tony Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed...years after coming forward. Your blindness to the obvious corruption in the DOJ indicates either you are too naive to see it, you dont want to see it, or you see it and dont care.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:18 PM)green Wrote:  what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? And you cant understand why we arent buying the silly spin your selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed.

Funny.... my silly spin of *actually* prosecuting has *actual* stuff in the *actual* record.

But got it..... 'silly spin'.

Again, I have zero issue with investigating and charging and prosecuting Joe. Or Hunter. Or Hunter and Joe.

But I am not going to put a blackout hood on to the actions of Trump, which are pretty well in the record, because of that, which seems to be your 'cling to something' position.

Got it.

Ive got a great idea. Lets just ignore everything criminal. The funny thing is that this board has a huge number of people that on one hand talk up how big they are on 'law order' when it comes to, say, DAs not prosecuting gang ripoffs at Nordstroms, but when it comes to their demigod, simply say the opposite.

Me? I am a 'if they do it, lets prosecute'. Zero problem with Just Fing Enforce the Law. All the way around, mind you.

But the funny thing is ios that many here are 'Enforce The Law!!' (except when it comes to their preferred ex-President.) That is the funny point.

Many of my right leaning friends are now firm proponents of 'enforce the law'. That is in almost all cases *except* where it comes into contact with 4 very specific indictments these days.

Quite the dance step there. Maybe you can find some good music to link it up with.

Kind of fun to watch an entire class of people ***** to high heaven about selective enforcement of the law, but when it comes to DJT they are the largest proponent of selective enforcement of the law. When it comes to that its all 'witch hunt' and 'silly spin' crap, regardless of the facts in the record.

It is really entertaining....
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 08:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? And you cant understand why we arent buying the silly spin your selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed.

Funny.... my silly spin of *actually* prosecuting has *actual* stuff in the *actual* record.

But got it..... 'silly spin'.

Again, I have zero issue with investigating and charging and prosecuting Joe. Or Hunter. Or Hunter and Joe.

But I am not going to put a blackout hood on to the actions of Trump, which are pretty well in the record, because of that, which seems to be your 'cling to something' position.

Got it.

Ive got a great idea. Lets just ignore everything criminal. The funny thing is that this board has a huge number of people that on one hand talk up how big they are on 'law order' when it comes to, say, DAs not prosecuting gang ripoffs at Nordstroms, but when it comes to their demigod, simply say the opposite.

Me? I am a 'if they do it, lets prosecute'. Zero problem with Just Fing Enforce the Law. All the way around, mind you.

But the funny thing is ios that many here are 'Enforce The Law!!' (except when it comes to their preferred ex-President.) That is the funny point.

Many of my right leaning friends are now firm proponents of 'enforce the law'. That is in almost all cases *except* where it comes into contact with 4 very specific indictments these days.

Quite the dance step there. Maybe you can find some good music to link it up with.

Kind of fun to watch an entire class of people ***** to high heaven about selective enforcement of the law, but when it comes to DJT they are the largest proponent of selective enforcement of the law. When it comes to that its all 'witch hunt' and 'silly spin' crap, regardless of the facts in the record.

It is really entertaining....

More spin, more "facts" (still havent figured out that allegations and facts are not the same), and a complete failure to address the corruption within the DOJ. Now we know you fall into the "you dont care" category when it comes to DOJ corruption--and perhaps even applaud it---as long as your most hated candidate is attacked. Got it. Thats why we dont buy your silly MSNBC spin---but its fun to watch you flail about like a wanna be Clarence Darrow thinking your changing minds with your childish straw man arguments.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
And Trump canceled his press conference where he was going to present “irrefutable, conclusive” proof of election fraud. The Krakken sinks again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...rcna100515
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above
Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States
Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud
All of which Joe Biden has done.
I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.
But great 'whadabout'.
If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

But here's the problem. The actors charged with the responsibility for doing that--and given the legal tools to make it happen--seem interested in prosecuting only those who don't fit their partisan leanings. What I see--and what, quite frankly, I cannot understand how anyone else does not see--is a partisan, corrupt law enforcement and security apparatus that poses a far bigger threat to our democratic republic than does any individual politician, from either party.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 07:34 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(08-16-2023 08:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  My gosh, the stupidity is awesome. What a waste of tuition.

Much like the waste of your time past 6th grade, apparently. Arent we lucky....

And yet, even with my limited education I can read a room. You appear to lack that ability. In case you haven't noticed you have one, sometimes two, supporters in this entire forum. Does it ever cross your mind, when admittedly much sharper minds than my own laugh in your face at the ridiculousness of almost every single post you make, that perhaps it's you who doesn't appear to have benefitted much from higher education?

People throw around the term educated idiot a lot, if ever there was an entitled recipient it's you. I wouldn't let you represent me in court for a traffic ticket.

So your stance here is that just because the Trumpetts here ran off the other posters that means that y’all are right about everything?

Bigly sound logic you have there.

Just gonna chime in here, I don't feel the need to hoot and holler anytime someone makes a point I agree with, a habit that I notice with many of the other posters remaining that are able to communicate effectively. I spend a lot more time here reading, and it's the replies from the informed posters that keep me coming back
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 08:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 08:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? And you cant understand why we arent buying the silly spin your selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed.

Funny.... my silly spin of *actually* prosecuting has *actual* stuff in the *actual* record.

But got it..... 'silly spin'.

Again, I have zero issue with investigating and charging and prosecuting Joe. Or Hunter. Or Hunter and Joe.

But I am not going to put a blackout hood on to the actions of Trump, which are pretty well in the record, because of that, which seems to be your 'cling to something' position.

Got it.

Ive got a great idea. Lets just ignore everything criminal. The funny thing is that this board has a huge number of people that on one hand talk up how big they are on 'law order' when it comes to, say, DAs not prosecuting gang ripoffs at Nordstroms, but when it comes to their demigod, simply say the opposite.

Me? I am a 'if they do it, lets prosecute'. Zero problem with Just Fing Enforce the Law. All the way around, mind you.

But the funny thing is ios that many here are 'Enforce The Law!!' (except when it comes to their preferred ex-President.) That is the funny point.

Many of my right leaning friends are now firm proponents of 'enforce the law'. That is in almost all cases *except* where it comes into contact with 4 very specific indictments these days.

Quite the dance step there. Maybe you can find some good music to link it up with.

Kind of fun to watch an entire class of people ***** to high heaven about selective enforcement of the law, but when it comes to DJT they are the largest proponent of selective enforcement of the law. When it comes to that its all 'witch hunt' and 'silly spin' crap, regardless of the facts in the record.

It is really entertaining....

More spin, more "facts" (still havent figured out that allegations and facts are not the same),

Actually I didn’t cite a single fact in the indictments or in the record above.

Yet you run around yelling the above to it? Lolz.

And yes, most of the issues I have noted here are grounded in fact. Apart from the statements in the indictments. I guess you don’t understand or for that matter use the concept of a public record, or understand or use the concept of items under oath.

If you have a problem with any of them, I invite you to present evidence to counter them. Or, as is seemingly your style, flap your lips and whine about the presentment.

Quote:and a complete failure to address the corruption within the DOJ.

Is that the new magic rule de jour? In order to make any comment about one case one must make an equal and offsetting comment about the ‘corruption’ at the DOJ? Really? Seems pretty fing stupid. And simply devolves into a mush fit version of a whiny ‘whadabout’. Sounds like a smashing plan there dude.

Quote: Now we know you fall into the "you dont care" category when it comes to DOJ corruption--

Nope. More of a ‘stop flapping your lips in generalized statements’ and actually provide some fing hard proof.

Quote:and perhaps even applaud it---

Oh goody. Another pull **** out of the ass and see if it sticks whiny generalized statement. Bravo…. (I guess….)

The funny thing is that you rant and froth about facts at the beginning of this post, then retreat to generalized made up crap. Well done.

Quote:as long as your most hated candidate is attacked.

More like interjecting with basic stufff in the public record that you monkeys seem to glom away. If you have stuff that shows the issues wrong…. Put it out there. I’m all ears.

Or just ***** and whine like you nod in this post.

Quote:Thats why we dont buy your silly MSNBC spin---

Spin…. Yet you can’t put out one single fing fact in your diatribe here. Beautiful. Just beautiful.

Quote:but its fun to watch you flail about like a wanna be Clarence Darrow thinking your changing minds with your childish straw man arguments.

Awww. Hitting the maddy poo ad hom vein. Along with generalized whining and zero facts. That is what makes this board ‘special’.

I look forward to more counterfactuals and far less temper tantrum style.

Good grief. Lolz.
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(08-17-2023 09:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  And Trump canceled his press conference where he was going to present “irrefutable, conclusive” proof of election fraud. The Krakken sinks again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...rcna100515

In an odd way I was looking forward to that. Bummer.

Mark that one up with the ‘I won Georgia by at least 400,000 votes’ thingy he tod Raffenberger in that infamous phone call.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 08:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? And you cant understand why we arent buying the silly spin your selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed.

Funny.... my silly spin of *actually* prosecuting has *actual* stuff in the *actual* record.

But got it..... 'silly spin'.

Again, I have zero issue with investigating and charging and prosecuting Joe. Or Hunter. Or Hunter and Joe.

But I am not going to put a blackout hood on to the actions of Trump, which are pretty well in the record, because of that, which seems to be your 'cling to something' position.

Got it.

Ive got a great idea. Lets just ignore everything criminal. The funny thing is that this board has a huge number of people that on one hand talk up how big they are on 'law order' when it comes to, say, DAs not prosecuting gang ripoffs at Nordstroms, but when it comes to their demigod, simply say the opposite.

Me? I am a 'if they do it, lets prosecute'. Zero problem with Just Fing Enforce the Law. All the way around, mind you.

But the funny thing is ios that many here are 'Enforce The Law!!' (except when it comes to their preferred ex-President.) That is the funny point.

Many of my right leaning friends are now firm proponents of 'enforce the law'. That is in almost all cases *except* where it comes into contact with 4 very specific indictments these days.

Quite the dance step there. Maybe you can find some good music to link it up with.

Kind of fun to watch an entire class of people ***** to high heaven about selective enforcement of the law, but when it comes to DJT they are the largest proponent of selective enforcement of the law. When it comes to that its all 'witch hunt' and 'silly spin' crap, regardless of the facts in the record.

It is really entertaining....

Tanq, you are a hypocrite when it comes to what going on right now. When will you reply to my last Post to you I made today, you know that Eastman memo. Another thing, why did you delete one of those Post you made to me last night. You seem to be a little incoherent last night.
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Its the same old commie avenatti bullshite.

Its not creative or new.

Why do so many engage these mentally ill posters.

Trump grows stronger daily.

The board groomers are just fueling a fantasy. .

Its the same old **** since the steele dossier.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:18 PM)green Wrote:  what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? There are good reasons why nobody is buying the silly spin you're selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Tony Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed...years after coming forward. Your blindness to the obvious corruption in the DOJ indicates either you are too naive to see it, you dont want to see it, or you see it and dont care.

(08-17-2023 10:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 09:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  And Trump canceled his press conference where he was going to present “irrefutable, conclusive” proof of election fraud. The Krakken sinks again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...rcna100515

In an odd way I was looking forward to that. Bummer.

Mark that one up with the ‘I won Georgia by at least 400,000 votes’ thingy he tod Raffenberger in that infamous phone call.

Yeah real crime there. You are the most triggered immature poster here. And that’s saying something.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 09:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above
Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States
Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud
All of which Joe Biden has done.
I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.
But great 'whadabout'.
If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

But here's the problem. The actors charged with the responsibility for doing that--and given the legal tools to make it happen--seem interested in prosecuting only those who don't fit their partisan leanings. What I see--and what, quite frankly, I cannot understand how anyone else does not see--is a partisan, corrupt law enforcement and security apparatus that poses a far bigger threat to our democratic republic than does any individual politician, from either party.

Are there tapes of Biden pressuring the Georgia SOS we don’t know about? Did the Biden campaign breach voting machines in Georgia? It would be hard to prosecute “the other side” for something that has never happened before.

Al Gore didn’t try and throw out the Florida Electoral votes when he counted them.
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(08-18-2023 12:04 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? There are good reasons why nobody is buying the silly spin you're selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Tony Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed...years after coming forward. Your blindness to the obvious corruption in the DOJ indicates either you are too naive to see it, you dont want to see it, or you see it and dont care.

(08-17-2023 10:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 09:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  And Trump canceled his press conference where he was going to present “irrefutable, conclusive” proof of election fraud. The Krakken sinks again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...rcna100515

In an odd way I was looking forward to that. Bummer.

Mark that one up with the ‘I won Georgia by at least 400,000 votes’ thingy he tod Raffenberger in that infamous phone call.

Yeah real crime there. You are the most triggered immature poster here. And that’s saying something.

Have you even bothered to listen to that phone call? Not snippets, but the entire thing? Easy yes or no answer there....

Im still bummed that Trump's 'irrefutable' evidence is vanishing in a puff of smoke.

Im absolutely sure he will make it available later as he noted.

Lolz.
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(08-17-2023 11:49 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 08:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:29 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 07:02 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  All of which Joe Biden has done.

I suggest you get the proof to the DOJ stat.

But great 'whadabout'.

If Joe has done those -- yeah, charge him. 'Whadabout' is pretty much a lame as hell response.

They have had the proof for 4-years and rather than properly investigate it---they instead engaged in a conspiracy with House Democrats and multiple former intel officials (the folks that signed the fake news letter) to cover it up with an impeachment and a quiet crooked plea agreement. This is the DOJ you are trying to sell to us as unbiased public servants simply protecting us from evil? And you cant understand why we arent buying the silly spin your selling. lol---Hunter and Joe Bidens business partner (Bobolinsky) STILL hasnt even been interviewed.

Funny.... my silly spin of *actually* prosecuting has *actual* stuff in the *actual* record.

But got it..... 'silly spin'.

Again, I have zero issue with investigating and charging and prosecuting Joe. Or Hunter. Or Hunter and Joe.

But I am not going to put a blackout hood on to the actions of Trump, which are pretty well in the record, because of that, which seems to be your 'cling to something' position.

Got it.

Ive got a great idea. Lets just ignore everything criminal. The funny thing is that this board has a huge number of people that on one hand talk up how big they are on 'law order' when it comes to, say, DAs not prosecuting gang ripoffs at Nordstroms, but when it comes to their demigod, simply say the opposite.

Me? I am a 'if they do it, lets prosecute'. Zero problem with Just Fing Enforce the Law. All the way around, mind you.

But the funny thing is ios that many here are 'Enforce The Law!!' (except when it comes to their preferred ex-President.) That is the funny point.

Many of my right leaning friends are now firm proponents of 'enforce the law'. That is in almost all cases *except* where it comes into contact with 4 very specific indictments these days.

Quite the dance step there. Maybe you can find some good music to link it up with.

Kind of fun to watch an entire class of people ***** to high heaven about selective enforcement of the law, but when it comes to DJT they are the largest proponent of selective enforcement of the law. When it comes to that its all 'witch hunt' and 'silly spin' crap, regardless of the facts in the record.

It is really entertaining....

Tanq, you are a hypocrite when it comes to what going on right now.

How exactly is 'Just Enforce the Law' against anyone who seemingly breaks the law a "hypocrite" ?

I guess it is being a hypocrite to support further investigation and a prosecution of Joe, *and* supporting prosecution(s) of Trump where there is a fairly sound basis of something criminal?

And you might note, I am not a supporter of Bragg's prosecution.

So please do tell where I am a "hypocrite". Im all ears.

Quote: When will you reply to my last Post to you I made today, you know that Eastman memo.

I replied. The Eastman memo is widely available on the internet. In fact I think someone else posted a specific Google search link for you to use. Maybe use it.

If this thing were hidden in a recess in some dark corner of the net, I would absolutely post a link for you. It is widely available. Not that hard to accomplish.

Quote:Another thing, why did you delete one of those Post you made to me last night. You seem to be a little incoherent last night.

I dont even remember what was in it, to be honest.
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RE: States CANNOT use state law against federal officials for things they did as feds
(08-17-2023 05:31 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 10:21 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-16-2023 07:15 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Have you seen this or those memos ? Something tells me no, you have not seen anything.

"Yes, writing down your illegal plan" are you saying that President Trump wrote the memos ?

Both of them are available in the record.

Do you have a Link to this record you speak of ?
Jr.

Google 'Eadtman memo'. It's all over.

Google 'Chesebro memo'. It's also available but not as much as the above.

If you want the cliffs notes on them, simply pop to the Smith J6 indictment or the new Fulton Co indictment for the summary versions.

Thanks for the Links, so I guess you're talking about this memo.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2...n.memo.pdf Am I right because I'm not able to find an original copy.

What I looked at in the Link above is not dated or signed by Eastman. It looks like someone wrote this after January 6 and if I remember it was sent to a New York paper by someone and it was anonymous is that correct. Are you basing your case on this PDF file? Have you seen the original memo by Eastman ?

05-bump Never did get an answer.
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(08-18-2023 12:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 05:31 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 10:21 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Both of them are available in the record.

Do you have a Link to this record you speak of ?
Jr.

Google 'Eadtman memo'. It's all over.

Google 'Chesebro memo'. It's also available but not as much as the above.

If you want the cliffs notes on them, simply pop to the Smith J6 indictment or the new Fulton Co indictment for the summary versions.

Thanks for the Links, so I guess you're talking about this memo.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2...n.memo.pdf Am I right because I'm not able to find an original copy.

What I looked at in the Link above is not dated or signed by Eastman. It looks like someone wrote this after January 6 and if I remember it was sent to a New York paper by someone and it was anonymous is that correct. Are you basing your case on this PDF file? Have you seen the original memo by Eastman ?

05-bump Never did get an answer.

Eastman turned over this memo as part of the J6 committee subpoena and subsequent to the litigation in the Federal courts in California on whether it was privileged or not.

He has been confronted in subsequent litigation on that very same memo, and acknowledged in court filings that it is his work, and was the same memo that he sent to Trump, and they discussed in several group meetings in late November through December of 2020. Again, all in the court proceedings on whether to bust Eastman's attorney client privilege -- where that same memo was cited by the sitting judge, and the later 9th Cir. appeal, as being evidence of a greater probability that the Trump and Eastman were acting within the crime/fraud exception with this, and thus not subject to the attorney client privilege.

Next fing wackadoodle 'its all a fake' garbage point.... seems to be the rage around here. Along with doing no background work in the slightest.
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(08-18-2023 12:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-18-2023 12:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 05:31 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 10:21 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Do you have a Link to this record you speak of ?
Jr.

Google 'Eadtman memo'. It's all over.

Google 'Chesebro memo'. It's also available but not as much as the above.

If you want the cliffs notes on them, simply pop to the Smith J6 indictment or the new Fulton Co indictment for the summary versions.

Thanks for the Links, so I guess you're talking about this memo.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2...n.memo.pdf Am I right because I'm not able to find an original copy.

What I looked at in the Link above is not dated or signed by Eastman. It looks like someone wrote this after January 6 and if I remember it was sent to a New York paper by someone and it was anonymous is that correct. Are you basing your case on this PDF file? Have you seen the original memo by Eastman ?

05-bump Never did get an answer.

Eastman turned over this memo as part of the J6 committee subpoena and subsequent to the litigation in the Federal courts in California on whether it was privileged or not.

He has been confronted in subsequent litigation on that very same memo, and acknowledged in court filings that it is his work, and was the same memo that he sent to Trump, and they discussed in several group meetings in late November through December of 2020. Again, all in the court proceedings on whether to bust Eastman's attorney client privilege -- where that same memo was cited by the sitting judge, and the later 9th Cir. appeal, as being evidence of a greater probability that the Trump and Eastman were acting within the crime/fraud exception with this, and thus not subject to the attorney client privilege.

Next fing wackadoodle 'its all a fake' garbage point.... seems to be the rage around here. Along with doing no background work in the slightest.

You seemed a little upset at the end here. Hey we're just talking here.

First off Eastman had memos not one memo. What you are looking at is someones summary of their take of what they saw in those memos, so take that for what it's worth. I asked you if you had ever seen the original memos, you never replied so I will take that as a no.
So lets just say that some or part or all of what was in those memos are true. Where is the crime of people sitting in an office and snowballing on what they can do about a stolen election. These ideas are written down on pieces of paper. Pence did not carry out any of these ideas on the 6th of January. So where is the crime.
You or anyone else will never convince me that the 2020 election was not stolen so you can save you breath.
Eastman is not in federal court in California. He's in the State Bar Court of California.
I have a question for you. Do you believe Biden received 81 million legal votes?
It's a yes or no question.
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(08-18-2023 06:07 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-18-2023 12:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-18-2023 12:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 05:31 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Jr.

Google 'Eadtman memo'. It's all over.

Google 'Chesebro memo'. It's also available but not as much as the above.

If you want the cliffs notes on them, simply pop to the Smith J6 indictment or the new Fulton Co indictment for the summary versions.

Thanks for the Links, so I guess you're talking about this memo.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2...n.memo.pdf Am I right because I'm not able to find an original copy.

What I looked at in the Link above is not dated or signed by Eastman. It looks like someone wrote this after January 6 and if I remember it was sent to a New York paper by someone and it was anonymous is that correct. Are you basing your case on this PDF file? Have you seen the original memo by Eastman ?

05-bump Never did get an answer.

Eastman turned over this memo as part of the J6 committee subpoena and subsequent to the litigation in the Federal courts in California on whether it was privileged or not.

He has been confronted in subsequent litigation on that very same memo, and acknowledged in court filings that it is his work, and was the same memo that he sent to Trump, and they discussed in several group meetings in late November through December of 2020. Again, all in the court proceedings on whether to bust Eastman's attorney client privilege -- where that same memo was cited by the sitting judge, and the later 9th Cir. appeal, as being evidence of a greater probability that the Trump and Eastman were acting within the crime/fraud exception with this, and thus not subject to the attorney client privilege.

Next fing wackadoodle 'its all a fake' garbage point.... seems to be the rage around here. Along with doing no background work in the slightest.

First off Eastman had memos not one memo. What you are looking at is someones summary of their take of what they saw in those memos, so take that for what it's worth. I asked you if you had ever seen the original memos, you never replied so I will take that as a no.

Given it is an electronic document at its onset, it is kind of hard to detail an original.

And, this is what was the crux of the litigation in the Cal. Fed. Dist., admitted by Eastman to be his work, and turned over by Eastman as his work.

If you want to dance on the word 'original', feel free. Kind of stupid, but hey, its a free country.

Quote: So lets just say that some or part or all of what was in those memos are true. Where is the crime of people sitting in an office and snowballing on what they can do about a stolen election.

The crimes of 'conspiracy to' and 'attempt to'. That is the items that are charged for the most part in the Jack Smith and Fulton Co indictments.

One need not complete the crime, nor is success of the crime an out, to get dinged on those aspects.

In short, if I have a written plan to knock over my local bank, there is no problem.

If I spitball over drinks with the buds, no problem.

The instant anyone takes any action on that plan -- big problems for everyone.


There is a reason why Barr and Cippollone told Trump that if he persisted in the actions outlined in the plan, he would face criminal issues for a long time.

And on top of it, it is really fing stupid to write a plan down that is questionable legally. And really fing stupid to make any action on it when the lawyer author admits that it wont pass muster.

Stupid games, stupid prizes.

Quote:These ideas are written down on pieces of paper. Pence did not carry out any of these ideas on the 6th of January. So where is the crime.

See above.

Quote: You or anyone else will never convince me that the 2020 election was not stolen so you can save you breath.

I dont think I have ever attempted to do that. Some people also believe that Woody Harrelson's father was a hitman in the JFK assassination. Whatever blows your hair back.

Quote: Eastman is not in federal court in California. He's in the State Bar Court of California.

First, the issue I talk of above was a lawsuit to enforce a subpoena in Cali. In Federal Court there.

Second, I dont have clue what you are saying in your second sentence. It is kind of gibberish, with respect. Are you trying to convey where he is licensed? That is simply the state bar. I dont know what a state bar court is. There isnt such a thing.

He is facing disbarment. I dont know what forum that is in, and that is not what I am referring to above.

Quote: I have a question for you. Do you believe Biden received 81 million legal votes?
It's a yes or no question.

I dont think Biden received exactly 81 legal million votes. So no.

There is zero evidence that underlies any change to the various state totals. I dont know what the total in the 51 electoral races amounts to. If you have proof or hard evidence of other totals, please do tell.
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(08-18-2023 07:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-18-2023 06:07 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-18-2023 12:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(08-18-2023 12:41 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(08-17-2023 05:31 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Thanks for the Links, so I guess you're talking about this memo.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2...n.memo.pdf Am I right because I'm not able to find an original copy.

What I looked at in the Link above is not dated or signed by Eastman. It looks like someone wrote this after January 6 and if I remember it was sent to a New York paper by someone and it was anonymous is that correct. Are you basing your case on this PDF file? Have you seen the original memo by Eastman ?

05-bump Never did get an answer.

Eastman turned over this memo as part of the J6 committee subpoena and subsequent to the litigation in the Federal courts in California on whether it was privileged or not.

He has been confronted in subsequent litigation on that very same memo, and acknowledged in court filings that it is his work, and was the same memo that he sent to Trump, and they discussed in several group meetings in late November through December of 2020. Again, all in the court proceedings on whether to bust Eastman's attorney client privilege -- where that same memo was cited by the sitting judge, and the later 9th Cir. appeal, as being evidence of a greater probability that the Trump and Eastman were acting within the crime/fraud exception with this, and thus not subject to the attorney client privilege.

Next fing wackadoodle 'its all a fake' garbage point.... seems to be the rage around here. Along with doing no background work in the slightest.

First off Eastman had memos not one memo. What you are looking at is someones summary of their take of what they saw in those memos, so take that for what it's worth. I asked you if you had ever seen the original memos, you never replied so I will take that as a no.

Given it is an electronic document at its onset, it is kind of hard to detail an original.

And, this is what was the crux of the litigation in the Cal. Fed. Dist., admitted by Eastman to be his work, and turned over by Eastman as his work.

If you want to dance on the word 'original', feel free. Kind of stupid, but hey, its a free country.

Quote: So lets just say that some or part or all of what was in those memos are true. Where is the crime of people sitting in an office and snowballing on what they can do about a stolen election.

The crimes of 'conspiracy to' and 'attempt to'. That is the items that are charged for the most part in the Jack Smith and Fulton Co indictments.

One need not complete the crime, nor is success of the crime an out, to get dinged on those aspects.

In short, if I have a written plan to knock over my local bank, there is no problem.

If I spitball over drinks with the buds, no problem.

The instant anyone takes any action on that plan -- big problems for everyone.


There is a reason why Barr and Cippollone told Trump that if he persisted in the actions outlined in the plan, he would face criminal issues for a long time.

And on top of it, it is really fing stupid to write a plan down that is questionable legally. And really fing stupid to make any action on it when the lawyer author admits that it wont pass muster.

Stupid games, stupid prizes.

Quote:These ideas are written down on pieces of paper. Pence did not carry out any of these ideas on the 6th of January. So where is the crime.

See above.

Quote: You or anyone else will never convince me that the 2020 election was not stolen so you can save you breath.

I dont think I have ever attempted to do that. Some people also believe that Woody Harrelson's father was a hitman in the JFK assassination. Whatever blows your hair back.

Quote: Eastman is not in federal court in California. He's in the State Bar Court of California.

First, the issue I talk of above was a lawsuit to enforce a subpoena in Cali. In Federal Court there.

Second, I dont have clue what you are saying in your second sentence. It is kind of gibberish, with respect. Are you trying to convey where he is licensed? That is simply the state bar. I dont know what a state bar court is. There isnt such a thing.

He is facing disbarment. I dont know what forum that is in, and that is not what I am referring to above.

Quote: I have a question for you. Do you believe Biden received 81 million legal votes?
It's a yes or no question.

I dont think Biden received exactly 81 legal million votes. So no.

There is zero evidence that underlies any change to the various state totals. I dont know what the total in the 51 electoral races amounts to. If you have proof or hard evidence of other totals, please do tell.

Thanks for the reply, get back at you this weekend.07-coffee3
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