(08-16-2023 07:11 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

Hey Tanq, you got new buddies! Elvis is in the house! Your team is the Mensa’s of the board. They think you’re the greatest. Good company you got there.

#snicker

(08-16-2023 07:21 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

That’s a very good precedent you’re wanting to set there. Criminalizing political spitballing and planning among political teams. Yeah, what could go wrong with that.

I dont have an issue with a dumb*** President listening to crackpots and spitballing.

If the Eastman memo were all by its lonesome, no issue with me.

But you studiously ignore every effort that went into making that plan happen. Imagine that.

Kind of the mark of a simpleton, to leave off all the other facts and all the context. Good job there. Well done.

Quote:Not to mention this behavior has happened frequently in the past. Never even been dreamed to be criminal.

How many people planned to reject slates of electors from the other side by fiat? Please, be specific. Im all ears.

Quote:If you want to talk criminal, maybe you should focus on these same criminals that have attempted several bloodless coups against Trump rather than joining them in this latest pathetic attempt.

I have made comments about Russiagate in that context. Funny, can you tell me where those people tried to explicitly erases slates of electors by fiat? Please do tell of all these 'coup' attempts.

Bringing criminal charges against a private individual is a coup attempt? Really? You really do have some English deficiencies.....

(08-16-2023 07:15 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 06:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 05:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Just as I thought. You actually believe this silly "theory" and apparently are for the creative use of the law to attack political opponents as long as its someone you dislike. Despite your wild flailing about, nothing about this case is common, typical, reasonable, or with any historical precedent---and you know it.

From where I sit, all Trump did is try to convince people that he was correct that fraud existed and he wanted the Georgia officials to help him get the time to check for it as well as help investigating for fraud. We call that free speech and politics. Frankly, Im all but certain there was fraud. Was it enough to swing the election? Who knows. Even to this date there has still been no labor intensive attempt to verify the authenticity of a large batch of mail in ballots in the suspicious districts.

That might be an explanation if the Eastman plan and Cheeseboro memo werent around that detailed that it was not.

But please ignore them in their entirety. Yay.

Damn facts, I guess.

As for the bolded, that was *not* what he asked Pence to do, nor was it what he begged/ asked/ threatened/ cajoled Raffensberger to do.

There is no 'you have to get me time' in the Raffensberger phone call. None, zero, zilch, nada. There *was* 'find me 11,780 votes', and there was the threat of criminal action by Trump to the Ga. Sec State.

And again -- a direct quote from Pence: "Frankly, the day before January 6, [the President and his lawyers] ..... said, ‘We want you to reject votes' outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election.”

But please make some more stuff up to make your point. Any more facts you want to ignore in lieu of empty rhetorical comments?

And it is not horribly creative to employ fraud law to describe those attempts, nor the attempts to use non-official documentation to violate civil rights. Nor creative to employ many of the other laws in the blatant attempts to get state officials to employ extralegal means to wipe out not just electoral votes directly, but the votes of the underlying citizens.

This Mr Magoo level crap is kind of like me drawing up a transfer deed to my neighbor's house in crayon and presenting it as valid. Then trying to threaten or talk the county clerk into accepting an obvious forgery that has *no* indication of any official state action as the real deal. Then trying to talk the county into simply 'holding off' making a further determination of the matter.

It is really that simple. Notwithstanding all the wing flapping.

What planet did you come from?

So let me see here, you are stating that anything written on a piece of paper makes it a Fact. Do I have that right ? Because if you are your whole Case is built on what someone wrote down on a memo.

You are starting to get the point. Yes, writing down your illegal plan to interrupt the transfer of power (documenting it for the prosecutors) is generally considered “bigly bad” in the legal world.

These aren’t memos that people wrote about the trump team, these are their internal documents that are evidence about the intent of their actions and their knowledge that they were illegal when they did them.

Have you seen this or those memos ? Something tells me no, you have not seen anything.

"Yes, writing down your illegal plan" are you saying that President Trump wrote the memos ?

Both of them are available in the record.

My gosh, the stupidity is awesome. What a waste of tuition.

(08-16-2023 07:34 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 12:16 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The reason I stated "A county district attorney just indicted a former POTUS." a few weeks ago. I failed to mention in my statement "for something he is accused of doing WHILE POTUS". Went right over the hateful Leftists' heads that reside here.

If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

Dude, your law degree doesn't make you the genius you think it does, STFU and sit your ass down. You confirm your stupidity every time you opine on a topic. It's funny but also a bit sad. I initially thought you were someone completely different from who you have proven yourself to be time after time. It would be different if I was the only someone who felt that way about you but all one needs to do is look at the reactions you elicit from those among us with bigger brains than mine to see I'm right.

Anytime trump legal stuff comes up and you idiots cant even state facts, simply try to make it a monkey poo flinging fight.

Good job junior.

Grow the fk up.

Id say go back to your comic books, but that seems a serious stretch for you..... lolz.

(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  My gosh, the stupidity is awesome. What a waste of tuition.

Much like the waste of your time past 6th grade, apparently. Arent we lucky....

(08-16-2023 07:43 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, which branch of government is in charge of elections?

Which elections? And in charge of what aspect?

Last I saw, the states themselves are in charge of their own method of choosing Presidential electors. The state then determines the 'how' of those electors voting for the state in the Presidential election. The judiciary of the state, and at times the Federal judiciary, may be used to determine challenges to that method.

And the Vice President tabulates those electoral votes in a session of Congress according to the terms of the ECA.

(08-16-2023 08:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:43 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, which branch of government is in charge of elections?

Which elections? And in charge of what aspect?

Last I saw, the states themselves are in charge of their own method of choosing Presidential electors. The state then determines the 'how' of those electors voting for the state in the Presidential election. The judiciary of the state, and at times the Federal judiciary, may be used to determine challenges to that method.

And the Vice President tabulates those electoral votes in a session of Congress according to the terms of the ECA.

So, you don't know. Which branch of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is responsible for making sure the STATES are following the law for THEIR elections?

(08-16-2023 11:47 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Actually, those X messages are not correct. What she laid out what the President, Mark Meadows and others did in the state of Georgia, and she is throwing the book at them for the crimes in the state of Georgia. That was not an official act by the president. That was abusing his power to act like a Mob Boss against people, and he is being charged with the Rico Riot Act which she have brought up against people on the left like the gangster rappers in Atlanta.

(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  My gosh, the stupidity is awesome. What a waste of tuition.

there's many more sheeple nowadays being turned out at full spigot...

(08-16-2023 10:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:47 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Actually, those X messages are not correct. What she laid out what the President, Mark Meadows and others did in the state of Georgia, and she is throwing the book at them for the crimes in the state of Georgia. That was not an official act by the president. That was abusing his power to act like a Mob Boss against people, and he is being charged with the Rico Riot Act which she have brought up against people on the left like the gangster rappers in Atlanta.

You should go to lawschool. I think im gonna call you little tanq. I think yall would make a great team. Strong minds.

(08-16-2023 08:56 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:43 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, which branch of government is in charge of elections?

Which elections? And in charge of what aspect?

Last I saw, the states themselves are in charge of their own method of choosing Presidential electors. The state then determines the 'how' of those electors voting for the state in the Presidential election. The judiciary of the state, and at times the Federal judiciary, may be used to determine challenges to that method.

And the Vice President tabulates those electoral votes in a session of Congress according to the terms of the ECA.

So, you don't know. Which branch of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is responsible for making sure the STATES are following the law for THEIR elections?

Presidential elections are *state* elections, run by, administered ny, and governed by the various states.

The only Federal aspects are ancillary ones, such as the Constitutional issues posed in the various amendments.

The "their" that you refer to is actually 'that of the specific state'.

For Meadows in particular, he was actually barred from access to the *Georgia State* audit when he traipsed down there since the neither the Federal government, nor the President, nor by extension the Chief of Staff of the President, had any issue in that proceeding.

(08-16-2023 07:58 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 04:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its also irrelevant to what we are discussing because murdering your wife could not arguably be part of your duties as president.

I suggest you read what some of you are posting.

The statement that Trump cannot be charged simply because it was done when he was POTUS is just flat incorrect.

Thats not what we are saying----which tells me all you've got at this point is straw man arguments. What we are saying is a state cannot charge a federal official with a crime for carrying out duties that are a reasonable part of their role in the federal government. Differing opinions are not illegal.

Right now there is a AG making a case against a Federal official that I disagree with and believe is an outlandishly improper use of the the prosecutor's resources. I believe the proper way to deal with it is to either defeat it in court of have it dismissed. If I behaved like the Democrat law enforcement arm, I would be arranging to have a conservative Federal AG charge the Georgia AG with a civil rights violation and attempt to jail him for his political actions. Cuz--thats what politics will degenerate to if we continue down this mindlessly dangerous road of using creative interpretations of law with the intent to criminally punish those who hold opposing viewpoints or speak out against government actions. This is banana republic stuff----trying to whip up creative arguments by using very selective and novel interpretations of the law in order to find a way to jail your opponent? Really? Thats what you want to support here?

AC 1
Tanq 0

In case you are late to the mock trial, Tanq is always 0, will always be 0 unless it's a banckruptcy filing, and will never be anything but 0.

Well, I was going to keep track from that post, but I'm already too far behind.

(08-16-2023 08:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  My gosh, the stupidity is awesome. What a waste of tuition.

Much like the waste of your time past 6th grade, apparently. Arent we lucky....

And yet, even with my limited education I can read a room. You appear to lack that ability. In case you haven't noticed you have one, sometimes two, supporters in this entire forum. Does it ever cross your mind, when admittedly much sharper minds than my own laugh in your face at the ridiculousness of almost every single post you make, that perhaps it's you who doesn't appear to have benefitted much from higher education?

People throw around the term educated idiot a lot, if ever there was an entitled recipient it's you. I wouldn't let you represent me in court for a traffic ticket.

(08-16-2023 10:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:47 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Actually, those X messages are not correct. What she laid out what the President, Mark Meadows and others did in the state of Georgia, and she is throwing the book at them for the crimes in the state of Georgia. That was not an official act by the president. That was abusing his power to act like a Mob Boss against people, and he is being charged with the Rico Riot Act which she have brought up against people on the left like the gangster rappers in Atlanta.

Please stop talking.

(08-17-2023 07:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  My gosh, the stupidity is awesome. What a waste of tuition.

Much like the waste of your time past 6th grade, apparently. Arent we lucky....

And yet, even with my limited education I can read a room. You appear to lack that ability. In case you haven't noticed you have one, sometimes two, supporters in this entire forum. Does it ever cross your mind, when admittedly much sharper minds than my own laugh in your face at the ridiculousness of almost every single post you make, that perhaps it's you who doesn't appear to have benefitted much from higher education?

People throw around the term educated idiot a lot, if ever there was an entitled recipient it's you. I wouldn't let you represent me in court for a traffic ticket.

So your stance here is that just because the Trumpetts here ran off the other posters that means that y’all are right about everything?

Bigly sound logic you have there.

(08-16-2023 08:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:21 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:32 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 01:13 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  If a POTUS murdered his wife while POTUS but while in New Mexico, nothing would prevent New Mexico from indicting and trying the former President for that murder.

The 'doing a crime while POTUS' statement is simply incorrect. End of story.

The issue isnt 'while POTUS', the issue is 'in performing the duty of POTUS in the act.'

There is no official duty as President that I am aware of murdering your wife.

Such as there is no official duty under the actions as President that I am aware of in trying to wipe out the votes of millions of people, nor trying to wipe out the specific votes of 16 specific people.

That seemingly kind of goes well beyond the official powers as President.

#1. So your point is moot to the subject as Fani is claiming their role was in violation of state rules and not just simply being a federal official

Trump attempting to reject electoral votes and Trump pressuring state officials to change results in no way implicates his duties as President.

Quote:#2. He wasn’t trying to wipe out millions of votes; even if VP Pence did what he wanted then the issue would had been tossed back to the states for further review. Federal officials making sure there was nothing illegal was going on would had been up their alley of doing their duties as federal officials

I suggest reading the Eastman plan. Apparently you have not.

Nor the Cheseboro follow up plan.

Nice shuffle and slide though.

That’s a very good precedent you’re wanting to set there. Criminalizing political spitballing and planning among political teams. Yeah, what could go wrong with that.

I dont have an issue with a dumb*** President listening to crackpots and spitballing.

If the Eastman memo were all by its lonesome, no issue with me.

But you studiously ignore every effort that went into making that plan happen. Imagine that.

Kind of the mark of a simpleton, to leave off all the other facts and all the context. Good job there. Well done.

Quote:Not to mention this behavior has happened frequently in the past. Never even been dreamed to be criminal.

How many people planned to reject slates of electors from the other side by fiat? Please, be specific. Im all ears.

Quote:If you want to talk criminal, maybe you should focus on these same criminals that have attempted several bloodless coups against Trump rather than joining them in this latest pathetic attempt.

I have made comments about Russiagate in that context. Funny, can you tell me where those people tried to explicitly erases slates of electors by fiat? Please do tell of all these 'coup' attempts.

Bringing criminal charges against a private individual is a coup attempt? Really? You really do have some English deficiencies.....

At least not mental deficiencies while believing I’m Clarence Darrow saving the world from the big orange monkey.

(08-17-2023 07:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  My gosh, the stupidity is awesome. What a waste of tuition.

Much like the waste of your time past 6th grade, apparently. Arent we lucky....

And yet, even with my limited education I can read a room. You appear to lack that ability. In case you haven't noticed you have one, sometimes two, supporters in this entire forum. Does it ever cross your mind, when admittedly much sharper minds than my own laugh in your face at the ridiculousness of almost every single post you make, that perhaps it's you who doesn't appear to have benefitted much from higher education?

People throw around the term educated idiot a lot, if ever there was an entitled recipient it's you. I wouldn't let you represent me in court for a traffic ticket.

Got it. I'm crushed that a fing pinhead doesn't like me.

I'm crushed that that pinhead doesn't want me to represent him in a traffic ticket.

The same pinhead that can't articulate a single fact in response.

Boo fing hoo. Sounds like a net positive for me from my standpoint....

All you seemingly want to hear, and get triggered when you don't, is simply what you believe in. Sounds fun. Lol.

Why don't you simply zip that mealy mouth piehole you exhibit above until you try some in point factual discussion instead of that incessantly whine you exhibit above.

Double lolz

(08-17-2023 07:28 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 10:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:47 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Actually, those X messages are not correct. What she laid out what the President, Mark Meadows and others did in the state of Georgia, and she is throwing the book at them for the crimes in the state of Georgia. That was not an official act by the president. That was abusing his power to act like a Mob Boss against people, and he is being charged with the Rico Riot Act which she have brought up against people on the left like the gangster rappers in Atlanta.

Please stop talking.

Lolz. Whining at its best.... lol.

(08-17-2023 09:37 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 07:28 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 10:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 11:47 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Actually, those X messages are not correct. What she laid out what the President, Mark Meadows and others did in the state of Georgia, and she is throwing the book at them for the crimes in the state of Georgia. That was not an official act by the president. That was abusing his power to act like a Mob Boss against people, and he is being charged with the Rico Riot Act which she have brought up against people on the left like the gangster rappers in Atlanta.

Please stop talking.

Lolz. Whining at its best.... lol.

Don’t get triggered just because your “facts” can’t convince anyone here but DavidSt, Tommie Boi, Elvis and Mensa. Like your mom should have told you, you are judged by the company you keep.
Defend garbage like Hack Smith, Weiss and Fanni Mae and you’ll get ridicule. Pretty simple for most.