(08-17-2023 11:15 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  I know many people here think it’s a nothing burger, but the “electors swap” was so incredibly stupid.

That being said It’s obvious that this is a political witch hunt, but still Trump seemingly has hung himself.

I still believe that the DOJ has a vested interest in eliminating Trump because 2024 is next year and they are threatened by that. There is also unequal justice under the law as we’ve seen with Hillary, Biden, etc.

The long term damage from this will be so severe to the country that I don’t think it will ever be the same again, however.

I agree on pretty much every point. I'm not sold Trump will ever be convicted, but I do think a lot of people associated with him are going to do some significant jail time. They did his bidding for him and now they are going to pay the price.

(08-17-2023 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 11:15 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  I know many people here think it’s a nothing burger, but the “electors swap” was so incredibly stupid.

That being said It’s obvious that this is a political witch hunt, but still Trump seemingly has hung himself.

I still believe that the DOJ has a vested interest in eliminating Trump because 2024 is next year and they are threatened by that. There is also unequal justice under the law as we’ve seen with Hillary, Biden, etc.

The long term damage from this will be so severe to the country that I don’t think it will ever be the same again, however.

I agree on pretty much every point. I'm not sold Trump will ever be convicted, but I do think a lot of people associated with him are going to do some significant jail time. They did his bidding for him and now they are going to pay the price.

Seems to be par for his course

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(08-17-2023 11:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 11:15 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  I know many people here think it’s a nothing burger, but the “electors swap” was so incredibly stupid.

That being said It’s obvious that this is a political witch hunt, but still Trump seemingly has hung himself.

I still believe that the DOJ has a vested interest in eliminating Trump because 2024 is next year and they are threatened by that. There is also unequal justice under the law as we’ve seen with Hillary, Biden, etc.

The long term damage from this will be so severe to the country that I don’t think it will ever be the same again, however.

I agree on pretty much every point. I'm not sold Trump will ever be convicted, but I do think a lot of people associated with him are going to do some significant jail time. They did his bidding for him and now they are going to pay the price.

Some of his attorneys that are catching charges are saying they didn’t even get paid.

Rudy says he is broke. Jena Ellis has a go fund me. You think a Billionaire would foot the legal fees for his cronies, especially since he is grifting memaw down in Alabama to pay for his. Hell, at least the mob sends you a lawyer when you get busted for them.

When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

No one with a third of a brain thinks Biden is doing anything. And it is obvious you haven't figured that out yet which must say something about the size of your brain.

(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

Exact why, even if he wins, he will never see the Oval Office again.

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Pretzel logic

(08-17-2023 01:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

Total ignorance. You just can’t argue with belief in the fanciful.

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

Absolutely spot on.

(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Hell yeah he did! Oh wait, no, he intentionally and pointedly did not do that. He should have though. In hindsight I'm sure he wished he had.

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

No---Im saying aggressively pursuing anyone who had anything to do with using the DOJ as an arm of the DNC (like the DNC run DOJ is currently doing to many conservative figures and officials presently) with the same zeal we see in the current DOJ----it will be a pretty good deterrent to it ever happening again as future DOJ officials will understand they will stand to have their lives ruined if they engage in the kind of banana republic conduct we see now. On the other hand----if only one side misuses the DOJ---and there are no repercussions for doing so---then there is every expectation that the same misbehavior is likely to be repeated. Reward what you want more of---punish what you want less of. Its simple common sense.

These cases against Trump set a precedent that Impeachment is no longer needed. Just wait until the POTUS is no longer in office and indict him. I'm sure this has been ruled on before and the PURPOSE for the Founding Father's for having Impeachment as part of the Constitution is for this specific reason.

(08-17-2023 10:32 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 10:21 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 08:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:15 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-16-2023 07:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You are starting to get the point. Yes, writing down your illegal plan to interrupt the transfer of power (documenting it for the prosecutors) is generally considered “bigly bad” in the legal world.

These aren’t memos that people wrote about the trump team, these are their internal documents that are evidence about the intent of their actions and their knowledge that they were illegal when they did them.

Have you seen this or those memos ? Something tells me no, you have not seen anything.

"Yes, writing down your illegal plan" are you saying that President Trump wrote the memos ?

Both of them are available in the record.

Do you have a Link to this record you speak of ?

Jr.

Google 'Eadtman memo'. It's all over.

Google 'Chesebro memo'. It's also available but not as much as the above.

If you want the cliffs notes on them, simply pop to the Smith J6 indictment or the new Fulton Co indictment for the summary versions.

Thanks for the Links, so I guess you're talking about this memo.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2...n.memo.pdf Am I right because I'm not able to find an original copy.

What I looked at in the Link above is not dated or signed by Eastman. It looks like someone wrote this after January 6 and if I remember it was sent to a New York paper by someone and it was anonymous is that correct. Are you basing your case on this PDF file? Have you seen the original memo by Eastman ?

(08-17-2023 01:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

(08-17-2023 06:18 PM)green Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  When Trump wins, the entire DOJ needs to be swept clean, filled with Trump loyalist, and set loose on the people that tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic. They should be hounded with charges and legal expenses by a conservative DOJ until the are financially ruined and/or are in jail. When that reign of retribution is concluded---maybe then---finally----everyone will agree its a really bad idea to use the justice system as a political weapon.

So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 06:18 PM)green Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

you just proved my point ...
can’t do it ...
so why should the average citizen believe any of this bullsh*t ...

THANKS FOR PLAYING

(08-17-2023 06:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 06:18 PM)green Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:41 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  So you think Biden tried to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic, and your response to that is that trump needs to turn our nation into a totalitarian banana republic.

You basically just said “I’m OK with a totalitarian government as long as they hurt people I don’t like” which seems to be the Republican moto lately and is how the Germans paved the way to the holocaust.

Did Trump weaponize his DOJ to go after Clinton?

Yes, every time a trump admin got indicted trump would start crowing at the DOJ to lock Hillary up.

Much like now every time trump gets indicted the MAGA crowd starts crowing about Hunter.

Trump had the DOJ investigate the Hillary Clinton foundation for his entire presidency and found jack. If trump doesn’t want to keep getting indicted he should stop breaking the law.

what’s the crime ...
w/o looking it up ...
w/o using legalese ...

IN PLAIN ENGLISH

Illegal retention of defense information documents
Obstruction by lying about the documents under subpoena
Lying to Federal investigators abut the documents above

Fraud on the United States
Obstruction of Congressional proceedings
Attempt to and conspiracy to deny civil rights to various voters in the United States

Solicitation of government officials to break the law
Conspiracy to impersonate a government official
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Conspiracy to commit forgery
Conspiracy to file false documents
Filing false documents
Attempted fraud

All of which Joe Biden has done.