(03-27-2023 05:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As soon as it became known that the shooter was a lefty trans, the leftist on this site abandoned this thread.

Do you try to be wrong or does it just come naturally to you? I mean come on man, a broken clock and all that, you're batting 0 for infinite at this point and it's just baffling to me.

Here's a clue for you, you are about the only one baffled by what he said. Now take that as you will but to me it's very telling.

(03-27-2023 05:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As soon as it became known that the shooter was a lefty trans, the leftist on this site abandoned this thread.

Do you try to be wrong or does it just come naturally to you? I mean come on man, a broken clock and all that, you're batting 0 for infinite at this point and it's just baffling to me.

We're all still waiting for you to be right about ANYTHING just one single time EVER.

Its seems impossible to be wrong about everything in every single situation, yet you some how pull off that miracle.

There are at least a couple of others just like him. They seem to fall on the wrong side of an issue every single time. It's amazing really. One would think that the law of averages would come into play here but they are consistent.

(03-27-2023 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  democrats had both houses and the executive and spent all their time on a fake "insurrection"

anyway, dont tell me what the republicans wont do.

tell us your solution. you say you have many. name one.

If my memory serves me.. Democrats just controlled both houses of Congress and the POTUS. Evidently they were keeping their solutions secret also.

What's your memory tell you about how meaningful legislation is impossible without 60 votes in the senate?

How'd the piece of sh*t legislation Obamacare get passed? You know, the one where you didnt understand what an insurance deductible was.

Go **** yourself, troll boy.

Mods, either do something about this POS bringing up this continual nonsense for 5+ ******* years now, or just cancel my account. You're next to worthless around here. He's brought up this probably like 100 times now. I'm ******* tired of you doing nothing about this. You've driven away quality poster here after quality poster by ignoring **** like this. It's pathetic.

Yeah, I made a mistake in a couple posts over 5 years ago when I inartfully tried to explain co-insurance. I acknowledged the mistake and corrected myself. Yet, this ****** keeps trolling with this time and time again. Now he has 3 or 4 other ******** who keep bringing it up.

Clean this ******* pig sty up, or wallow in the **** with him.

Sorry..

Tom why don't you just log out and do it yourself or ignore him instead of trying to shame a mod into doing something you can't do as a grown man.. But whatever you do you boo.

(03-27-2023 05:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:23 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:18 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:16 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Beat me to it

Oh my bad, I'll wait a week until you all forget about this then say the same thing again. Better?

What is your solution?

We've been talking solutions since Sandy Hook, and still nothing has changed. Solutions won't be coming from y'all, it will be coming despite you, if it comes at all.

Solutions

• Bring back mental hospitals
• Stop lenient sentencing for violent crimes
• Mandatory capital punishment for certain violent crimes
  

What are your solutions?

Yes.

(03-27-2023 05:40 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:38 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  I'll start with I lean conservative, just to head off some criticism that I'm sure will come.

But at this point, when do we say enough is enough and get more serious about controlling violence in this country? I have a daughter about to go into school - my wife is terrified for her and I don't blame her.

There has to be something that can be done to put a dent into this thing - and its going to have to be a compromise (if we are even capable of such a thing). So what does it look like? Tom gave a starting point above. As much as he and I disagree on many things, at least he started the conversation. I'll repost and opine:

1. Ban assault weapons. (probably not going to happen, too broad an initial target, people get caught up in semantics here)
2. Increased and or mandatory waiting periods. (I could go for this)
3. Enhanced background checks. (YES - and enforce the damn ones we already have. Penalize retailers who do not follow. Penalize govt officials who miss red flags)
4. Mandatory mental health evaluations. (ehhhh...need more info here...seems to give too much power to gov't)
5. Mandatory insurance if you're going to own a firearm. (maybe? What would it cover?)
6. Increased age limits on purchases. (yes. should be 21 for sure)
7. Mandatory training and periodic certification. (YES)
8. Required licenses to own firearms. (Maybe could even get on board here)
9. Universal health care so mental health issues can be treated affordably. (not a fan of UHC...but would like to see more affordable options..maybe start by breaking down the Insurance lobby)


What are your solutions?

I hear ya on the "lean conservative", but with those solutions it seems like you might be standing on a slight incline.

How did we treat mental health issues before institutions were shut down?

As far as any stipulations put on owning a fire arm other than mental health -- and that one's dubious at best -- we're talking about impacting statistically ZERO of the population for a minute fraction of a percentage of people.

They treat each of these events as if they exist in a vacuum. When you start looking at overall numbers a different picture emerges.

I wonder if one of the common themes of these mass shooters is the need to draw attention and understanding we have a compliant media. It certainly was for the piece of s*** that did this. She left a suicide note saying she left information behind so that her murders of children and other Innocents will all "make sense one day." Finding a way to limit information about the perpetrators and denying that motivation to them might be a step. That said I've certainly been a hypocrite and have been glued to the story and will read her so called "manifesto" when and if it's published.

(03-28-2023 07:30 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 09:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 07:27 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Why are government buildings more secure than schools? Is it because the people that do business in them are more important (in their eyes maybe) than the ones in our schools. Everytime I had to go to jury duty (that's the only time I would venture into that building) you had to go through security like you do at airports. The people manning those sites are armed and for good reason but why can't the same thing be done in our schools. In our military if you do extra dangerous work (bomb disposal, paratroopers, seals, etc) you get rewarded with bonuses so why can't school teachers, administrators even custodians be granted that same privilege by manning the entrances to schools. These people (unlike the ones at Wal Mart where most of them are just unarmed security guards) would be packing heat to thwart any malevolent person of any of the two persuasions, LOL, from committing an atrocity.

There's ways of stopping/preventing school shootings but school boards (which are mostly manned by Leftists) are against it. "Oh my gosh, they want guns in our schools" not with any common sense mind you because the only ones right now are the ones committing mass murders and no one to stop them.

This was a private school. They could have whatever security policy they want and don’t have to deal with an elected school board.

A lot of public schools want to provide additional security (like controlled entry through the office, hardened classroom doors, etc) but are hampered by funding. Most schools get just enough money per year to keep the lights on and capital projects that don’t come from state or federal grants are few and far between.

We spend more on schools than most countries so funding is not the issue. Like most government run programs waste is the issue.

Most countries don’t need armed security in their schools. Most countries don’t need to modify their schools to secure the front entrance. Most countries don’t need to install hardened classroom doors so teachers can lock down their classroom.

The problem we are dealing with is mostly an American one.

Was the shooter killed or was it a suicide?

(03-27-2023 06:27 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Just more proof that MAGA is not the problem nor are the 120 million gunowners in this country, but rather the radical leftist commie democrats are the problem that use violence to make their point.

(03-27-2023 06:40 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Most people don't realize we're in a cold war right here in our own country.

We are quite literally under attack on multiple fronts each and every day.

(03-28-2023 07:54 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Most countries don’t need armed security in their schools. Most countries don’t need to modify their schools to secure the front entrance. Most countries don’t need to install hardened classroom doors so teachers can lock down their classroom.

The problem we are dealing with is mostly an American one.

I love how you constantly just make stuff up. Wtf do you know about "other countries"? Nothing. Go sit down boy.

(03-27-2023 08:54 PM)banker Wrote:  The vast majority of people who commit crimes involving a gun are already precluded from possessing a gun. Passing a bunch of new laws, enhanced background checks, gun registries, etc. therefore would have exactly zero impact on preventing the crimes these people commit. All those things do is place an additional burden on people who will get the weapons anyway. Well, that and give the government a really comprehensive database that they can use to confiscate guns if they decide too.

So more laws don’t stop anything. Someone who is willing to break the ultimate law by committing murder isn’t going to be deterred by any lesser law.

So what do we do? You severely increase the level of punishment on anyone that possesses a gun that is, by law, restricted from possessing one. If you are a felon and found in possession of a firearm it is a mandatory 25 years. Period. If you are found to supply a firearm to a felon you get 25 years. Period. If you commit a crime with a firearm it has an automatic 25 year penalty enhancement. Period.

What about schools? Already good ideas posted. You have to harden the perimeter. Most schools are fenced. You control access at the gate, not the door. You have a bunch of exterior cameras and a person that monitors them all day. You have alarms on every door, you have 1 full time resource officer per 200 or so kids in the school, at least one per building. The penalty for a kid bringing a weapon to school is juvenile jail till 18 and the balance of a 25 year sentence in an adult jail. Period.

#toughlove

(03-28-2023 07:54 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 07:30 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 09:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 07:27 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Why are government buildings more secure than schools? Is it because the people that do business in them are more important (in their eyes maybe) than the ones in our schools. Everytime I had to go to jury duty (that's the only time I would venture into that building) you had to go through security like you do at airports. The people manning those sites are armed and for good reason but why can't the same thing be done in our schools. In our military if you do extra dangerous work (bomb disposal, paratroopers, seals, etc) you get rewarded with bonuses so why can't school teachers, administrators even custodians be granted that same privilege by manning the entrances to schools. These people (unlike the ones at Wal Mart where most of them are just unarmed security guards) would be packing heat to thwart any malevolent person of any of the two persuasions, LOL, from committing an atrocity.

There's ways of stopping/preventing school shootings but school boards (which are mostly manned by Leftists) are against it. "Oh my gosh, they want guns in our schools" not with any common sense mind you because the only ones right now are the ones committing mass murders and no one to stop them.

This was a private school. They could have whatever security policy they want and don’t have to deal with an elected school board.

A lot of public schools want to provide additional security (like controlled entry through the office, hardened classroom doors, etc) but are hampered by funding. Most schools get just enough money per year to keep the lights on and capital projects that don’t come from state or federal grants are few and far between.

We spend more on schools than most countries so funding is not the issue. Like most government run programs waste is the issue.

Most countries don’t need armed security in their schools. Most countries don’t need to modify their schools to secure the front entrance. Most countries don’t need to install hardened classroom doors so teachers can lock down their classroom.

The problem we are dealing with is mostly an American one.

Oh frick off with this bullshite. Move.

(03-27-2023 09:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 07:27 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Why are government buildings more secure than schools? Is it because the people that do business in them are more important (in their eyes maybe) than the ones in our schools. Everytime I had to go to jury duty (that's the only time I would venture into that building) you had to go through security like you do at airports. The people manning those sites are armed and for good reason but why can't the same thing be done in our schools. In our military if you do extra dangerous work (bomb disposal, paratroopers, seals, etc) you get rewarded with bonuses so why can't school teachers, administrators even custodians be granted that same privilege by manning the entrances to schools. These people (unlike the ones at Wal Mart where most of them are just unarmed security guards) would be packing heat to thwart any malevolent person of any of the two persuasions, LOL, from committing an atrocity.

There's ways of stopping/preventing school shootings but school boards (which are mostly manned by Leftists) are against it. "Oh my gosh, they want guns in our schools" not with any common sense mind you because the only ones right now are the ones committing mass murders and no one to stop them.

This was a private school. They could have whatever security policy they want and don’t have to deal with an elected school board.

A lot of public schools want to provide additional security (like controlled entry through the office, hardened classroom doors, etc) but are hampered by funding. Most schools get just enough money per year to keep the lights on and capital projects that don’t come from state or federal grants are few and far between.

You've conveniently ignored suggestions for funding security improvements in all 115K schools across the country. If we can manufacture 60 billion out of thin air to give to Ukraine we can do the same for school security for less than half that.

Hell, we just approved trillions for the lefts pipedreams.

I think it’s silly these smaller scale shootings get lumped in w/ Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, etc. that had the deaths in the double digits. The more you try comparing these smaller scale shootings to those, the more people are inspired to be the next one. These people aren’t gonna be the next Sandy Hook, they’ll get one, maybe 2 or 3, before the cops blow their brains out. Selling the shooting as ‘easy to do because they’re so common & kill many’ only serves as a motivation & isn’t helping nothing.’ Think! Why are these apparently so common at schools but nowhere else!

It’s like the Michigan St shooting a month ago where 4 people were shot dead. I bet there were more random acts of murder in East Lansing that month, but that shooting is still dominating headlines here in Michigan & being called a ‘mass shooting.’

(03-28-2023 07:59 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Was the shooter killed or was it a suicide?

Shot by two heroic police officers who did not wait hours for backup to engage the shooter.

(03-28-2023 06:35 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  For me it doesnt seem that long ago that every truck on the street had a gun rack on the back window with a shotgun or rifle or both riding a long. It was almost a part of having a truck.

Yep. The good old days.

So the shooter was a tranny.

(03-27-2023 04:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  What difference does it make if they're trans? No one has been talking about gun laws or what we should do, while specifically excluding whatever alphabet soup diversity wokeness you guys can fear up. The fact that this is coming from Charlie Kirk, who has a monetary incentive to drive up culture war nonsense, should be telling enough? Are you all so easily distracted?

That makes a big difference and backs my point on immorality at worst or outright insanity being pushed as normal. We've pushed hard to normalize insane, degenerate behavior and we're reaping the consequences of it.

(03-28-2023 08:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 07:59 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Was the shooter killed or was it a suicide?

Shot by two heroic police officers who did not wait hours for backup to engage the shooter.