(03-27-2023 04:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Though we admittedly do not yet know all the facts, its sounds and looks like a classic hate crime.

"He" left a manifesto so more info forthcoming. Certainly seems to be the case.

As soon as it became known that the shooter was a lefty trans, the leftist on this site abandoned this thread.

The Nashville school shooter was a biological female who 'identified as male' and used he/him pronouns. As DC_Draino notes, Hale had some disturbing artwork:

Quote: A sample of art from Audrey Hale’s website pic.twitter.com/6aSQr1Fm0E

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) March 27, 2023

could use some trans control laws and control laws against those who encourage these folks who need real traditional psychological help, not egging them on or trying to make money from their disorders.

(03-27-2023 04:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As soon as it became known that the shooter was a lefty trans, the leftist on this site abandoned this thread.

Do you try to be wrong or does it just come naturally to you? I mean come on man, a broken clock and all that, you're batting 0 for infinite at this point and it's just baffling to me.

(03-27-2023 05:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As soon as it became known that the shooter was a lefty trans, the leftist on this site abandoned this thread.

Do you try to be wrong or does it just come naturally to you? I mean come on man, a broken clock and all that, you're batting 0 for infinite at this point and it's just baffling to me.

We're all still waiting for you to be right about ANYTHING just one single time EVER.

Its seems impossible to be wrong about everything in every single situation, yet you some how pull off that miracle.

(03-27-2023 05:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As soon as it became known that the shooter was a lefty trans, the leftist on this site abandoned this thread.

Do you try to be wrong or does it just come naturally to you? I mean come on man, a broken clock and all that, you're batting 0 for infinite at this point and it's just baffling to me.

So, are you for or against common sense trans laws?

(03-27-2023 05:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 05:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  As soon as it became known that the shooter was a lefty trans, the leftist on this site abandoned this thread.

Do you try to be wrong or does it just come naturally to you? I mean come on man, a broken clock and all that, you're batting 0 for infinite at this point and it's just baffling to me.

We're all still waiting for you to be right about ANYTHING just one single time EVER.

Its seems impossible to be wrong about everything in every single situation, yet you some how pull off that miracle.

Did you see the Dan Ackroyd Tom Hanks version of Dragnet? P.A.G.A.N.: People Against Goodness And Normalcy. There is an old biblical saw. Live backwards is evil.

(03-27-2023 04:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  What difference does it make if they're trans? No one has been talking about gun laws or what we should do, while specifically excluding whatever alphabet soup diversity wokeness you guys can fear up. The fact that this is coming from Charlie Kirk, who has a monetary incentive to drive up culture war nonsense, should be telling enough? Are you all so easily distracted?

If the shooter was a white Christian male, that would the the VERY FIRST thing you would point to.

All you ever talk about here is the fear of the white male and your fear and hatred of Christianity.

Hypocrisy is just too small a word for you.

(03-27-2023 01:23 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:18 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:16 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:43 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You're a twisted individual.

Beat me to it

Oh my bad, I'll wait a week until you all forget about this then say the same thing again. Better?

What is your solution?

We've been talking solutions since Sandy Hook, and still nothing has changed. Solutions won't be coming from y'all, it will be coming despite you, if it comes at all.

Solutions

• Bring back mental hospitals
• Stop lenient sentencing for violent crimes
• Mandatory capital punishment for certain violent crimes
  

What are your solutions?

(03-27-2023 02:14 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:39 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:35 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:23 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  We've been talking solutions since Sandy Hook, and still nothing has changed. Solutions won't be coming from y'all, it will be coming despite you, if it comes at all.

What is your solution?

His solution is to sit around and b!tch about guns.

Bringing back a swift death penalty would likely deter some crimes.

Public hanging. Use to work OK.

Quote:No, there is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws.

Capital Punishment does not deter crime. And if the shooter is already dead it is a moot point.

How do we know it doesn't deter crime?

If Mr. Soon-to-be-criminal saw an execution, how do we know he didn't say, "Welp, I guess it's a no-go."

(03-27-2023 02:19 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Let's try something new. Republicans get off their asses and actually do something that works, or we just take away all the guns. We've tried everything but that apparently.

You mean, why don't republicans magically end years of bad democrat legislation?

(03-27-2023 02:38 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  I'll start with I lean conservative, just to head off some criticism that I'm sure will come.

But at this point, when do we say enough is enough and get more serious about controlling violence in this country? I have a daughter about to go into school - my wife is terrified for her and I don't blame her.

There has to be something that can be done to put a dent into this thing - and its going to have to be a compromise (if we are even capable of such a thing). So what does it look like? Tom gave a starting point above. As much as he and I disagree on many things, at least he started the conversation. I'll repost and opine:

1. Ban assault weapons. (probably not going to happen, too broad an initial target, people get caught up in semantics here)
2. Increased and or mandatory waiting periods. (I could go for this)
3. Enhanced background checks. (YES - and enforce the damn ones we already have. Penalize retailers who do not follow. Penalize govt officials who miss red flags)
4. Mandatory mental health evaluations. (ehhhh...need more info here...seems to give too much power to gov't)
5. Mandatory insurance if you're going to own a firearm. (maybe? What would it cover?)
6. Increased age limits on purchases. (yes. should be 21 for sure)
7. Mandatory training and periodic certification. (YES)
8. Required licenses to own firearms. (Maybe could even get on board here)
9. Universal health care so mental health issues can be treated affordably. (not a fan of UHC...but would like to see more affordable options..maybe start by breaking down the Insurance lobby)


What are your solutions?

I hear ya on the "lean conservative", but with those solutions it seems like you might be standing on a slight incline.

How did we treat mental health issues before institutions were shut down?

As far as any stipulations put on owning a fire arm other than mental health -- and that one's dubious at best -- we're talking about impacting statistically ZERO of the population for a minute fraction of a percentage of people.

(03-27-2023 02:59 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:55 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:50 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  First thing you idiots leftists have to do is

Define Assault Weapon

This is distracting bull****. Forget the assault weapon thing. HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?

People like the one you quoted don't care to solve the problem - they don't want to have an actual conversation about the tough decisions that will have to be made if any improvement is going to be made on the staggering number of gun deaths in this country. They just want to drop their tired old one-liners and name call.

You don't see the need to define the term? When discussing situations a common understanding of terminology is imperative.

He has a valid point. Define the term so that everyone understands the proposal.

(03-27-2023 03:04 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:01 PM)b2b Wrote:  At it's root almost every problem with deal with in this country is spiritual in nature. We've tolerated and out right promoted degenerate insanity for too long. It's just getting worse and worse. If you're unable to see the fruits of the past 50-60 years of taking God out of schools and the subsequent failed social polities I pity you. More government and stripping away more rights isn't the solution. The only solution is a nation-wide, spiritual revival.

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So nothing concrete? Just pray and hope it gets better?

You do realize that prior to the mid-60s after prayer and the Bible had been banned from schools, kids actually used to take rifles to school. Not mandatory as in everyone bring your rifle tomorrow. But rifles in pickups, etc were commonplace.

How many schools shootings were happening the the 1700s, 1800s, early 1900s?

How many in the late 1900s and 2000s?

(03-27-2023 05:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:14 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:39 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:35 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  What is your solution?

His solution is to sit around and b!tch about guns.

Bringing back a swift death penalty would likely deter some crimes.

Public hanging. Use to work OK.

Quote:No, there is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws.

Capital Punishment does not deter crime. And if the shooter is already dead it is a moot point.

How do we know it doesn't deter crime?

If Mr. Soon-to-be-criminal saw an execution, how do we know he didn't say, "Welp, I guess it's a no-go."

Capital punishment = 0% recidivism rates.

(03-27-2023 05:40 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:38 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  I'll start with I lean conservative, just to head off some criticism that I'm sure will come.

But at this point, when do we say enough is enough and get more serious about controlling violence in this country? I have a daughter about to go into school - my wife is terrified for her and I don't blame her.

There has to be something that can be done to put a dent into this thing - and its going to have to be a compromise (if we are even capable of such a thing). So what does it look like? Tom gave a starting point above. As much as he and I disagree on many things, at least he started the conversation. I'll repost and opine:

1. Ban assault weapons. (probably not going to happen, too broad an initial target, people get caught up in semantics here)
2. Increased and or mandatory waiting periods. (I could go for this)
3. Enhanced background checks. (YES - and enforce the damn ones we already have. Penalize retailers who do not follow. Penalize govt officials who miss red flags)
4. Mandatory mental health evaluations. (ehhhh...need more info here...seems to give too much power to gov't)
5. Mandatory insurance if you're going to own a firearm. (maybe? What would it cover?)
6. Increased age limits on purchases. (yes. should be 21 for sure)
7. Mandatory training and periodic certification. (YES)
8. Required licenses to own firearms. (Maybe could even get on board here)
9. Universal health care so mental health issues can be treated affordably. (not a fan of UHC...but would like to see more affordable options..maybe start by breaking down the Insurance lobby)


What are your solutions?

I hear ya on the "lean conservative", but with those solutions it seems like you might be standing on a slight incline.

How did we treat mental health issues before institutions were shut down?

As far as any stipulations put on owning a fire arm other than mental health -- and that one's dubious at best -- we're talking about impacting statistically ZERO of the population for a minute fraction of a percentage of people.

The same folks that would enforce that laundry list of solutions are the ones that would have put you in covid camps.

Thats the real problem.

(03-27-2023 03:12 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:08 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:19 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Let's try something new. Republicans get off their asses and actually do something that works, or we just take away all the guns. We've tried everything but that apparently.

Sure.. Get them from the criminals first.

Great. How do we do it?

When you arrest a criminal who uses a gun, you give him a mandatory life sentence?

Oh, and confiscate the gun he used.


While we're at it, we could say if a group of people committed a crime and at least one person used a gun, EVERY person involved gets a mandatory life sentence.

Maybe that might make Criminal B and Criminal C tell Criminal A not to bring a gun.

(03-27-2023 01:18 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:16 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:43 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 12:35 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good teenage girl with a gun to stop all of this?

You're a twisted individual.

Beat me to it

Oh my bad, I'll wait a week until you all forget about this then say the same thing again. Better?

What is your solution?

His solution is the same as it’s always been; ignore the problem and piss on the Constitution.

(03-27-2023 03:25 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  I found my list not too far away from the other one that was posted during UVA in 2022, and previously in 2017 (hence the bump stock mention up top):

https://csnbbs.com/thread-959404-post-18...id18589291

This was a post I made back in 2017 - sadly a lot of the same things remain problems - it was after the Vegas shooting, so 'bump stocks' were a hot topic, so take that into account:

-Support a crackdown on existing gun laws (certainly we can all agree on that one).
-Support a national “permit to purchase” policy.
-Support a ban on modifications like "bump stocks" (which I had never even heard of until this event) that serve no purpose other than to kill multitudes of people.
-Support across-the-board registration with fingerprints for all firearms.
-Support laws to keep those previously convicted of domestic violence and/or those with diagnosed mental health issues from getting a gun.
-Strict liability for gun owners who do not store & secure guns properly (if your gun is in your unlocked car & gets stolen, you pay.)
-Support that gun owners AND sellers be required to purchase insurance.
-Support the removal of the PLCAA, which keeps gun companies, gun shows & dealers from being able to be sued for illegal purchases.
-Support an end to ‘no questions asked’ type of gun sales (taken care of with some of the items above).
-Support improving healthcare options that provide more mental health treatment for those who need it.

I would vote for every one of those if the politicians agree to give up their armed security details.

Works for me.

The ONLY way I would ever agree to giving up guns would be if all police and all military weapons are destroyed.

And they go first.