(03-27-2023 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I don't have enough time to lecture you people all day every day, knowing damn well it will get picked to pieces and rejected. Go to one of the dozens of other threads where the same things have happened, of which Republicans still do nothing.

Here, I found one: Link

democrats had both houses and the executive and spent all their time on a fake "insurrection"

anyway, dont tell me what the republicans wont do.

tell us your solution. you say you have many. name one.

If my memory serves me.. Democrats just controlled both houses of Congress and the POTUS. Evidently they were keeping their solutions secret also.

What's your memory tell you about how meaningful legislation is impossible without 60 votes in the senate?

How'd the piece of sh*t legislation Obamacare get passed? You know, the one where you didnt understand what an insurance deductible was.

Go **** yourself, troll boy.

Mods, either do something about this POS bringing up this continual nonsense for 5+ ******* years now, or just cancel my account. You're next to worthless around here. He's brought up this probably like 100 times now. I'm ******* tired of you doing nothing about this. You've driven away quality poster here after quality poster by ignoring **** like this. It's pathetic.

Yeah, I made a mistake in a couple posts over 5 years ago when I inartfully tried to explain co-insurance. I acknowledged the mistake and corrected myself. Yet, this ****** keeps trolling with this time and time again. Now he has 3 or 4 other ******** who keep bringing it up.

Clean this ******* pig sty up, or wallow in the **** with him.

Let's try something new. Republicans get off their asses and actually do something that works, or we just take away all the guns. We've tried everything but that apparently.

(03-27-2023 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  democrats had both houses and the executive and spent all their time on a fake "insurrection"

anyway, dont tell me what the republicans wont do.

tell us your solution. you say you have many. name one.

If my memory serves me.. Democrats just controlled both houses of Congress and the POTUS. Evidently they were keeping their solutions secret also.

What's your memory tell you about how meaningful legislation is impossible without 60 votes in the senate?

How'd the piece of sh*t legislation Obamacare get passed? You know, the one where you didnt understand what an insurance deductible was.

Go **** yourself, troll boy.

Mods, either do something about this POS bringing up this continual nonsense for 5+ ******* years now, or just cancel my account. You're next to worthless around here. He's brought up this probably like 100 times now. I'm ******* tired of you doing nothing about this. You've driven away quality poster here after quality poster by ignoring **** like this. It's pathetic.

Yeah, I made a mistake in a couple posts over 5 years ago when I inartfully tried to explain co-insurance. I acknowledged the mistake and corrected myself. Yet, this ****** keeps trolling with this time and time again. Now he has 3 or 4 other ******** who keep bringing it up.

Clean this ******* pig sty up, or wallow in the **** with him.

The irony of this post did not escape me.

(03-27-2023 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  democrats had both houses and the executive and spent all their time on a fake "insurrection"

anyway, dont tell me what the republicans wont do.

tell us your solution. you say you have many. name one.

If my memory serves me.. Democrats just controlled both houses of Congress and the POTUS. Evidently they were keeping their solutions secret also.

What's your memory tell you about how meaningful legislation is impossible without 60 votes in the senate?

How'd the piece of sh*t legislation Obamacare get passed? You know, the one where you didnt understand what an insurance deductible was.

Go **** yourself, troll boy.

Mods, either do something about this POS bringing up this continual nonsense for 5+ ******* years now, or just cancel my account. You're next to worthless around here. He's brought up this probably like 100 times now. I'm ******* tired of you doing nothing about this. You've driven away quality poster here after quality poster by ignoring **** like this. It's pathetic.

Yeah, I made a mistake in a couple posts over 5 years ago when I inartfully tried to explain co-insurance. I acknowledged the mistake and corrected myself. Yet, this ****** keeps trolling with this time and time again. Now he has 3 or 4 other ******** who keep bringing it up.

Clean this ******* pig sty up, or wallow in the **** with him.

Its not that you were simply confused about insurance deductibles. You were trying to preach to us about how great Obamacare was, and that we didnt know what we were talking about, when you didnt understand a very basic attribute of insurance, such as what a deductible was and what a copay was.

(03-27-2023 02:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If my memory serves me.. Democrats just controlled both houses of Congress and the POTUS. Evidently they were keeping their solutions secret also.

What's your memory tell you about how meaningful legislation is impossible without 60 votes in the senate?

How'd the piece of sh*t legislation Obamacare get passed? You know, the one where you didnt understand what an insurance deductible was.

Go **** yourself, troll boy.

Mods, either do something about this POS bringing up this continual nonsense for 5+ ******* years now, or just cancel my account. You're next to worthless around here. He's brought up this probably like 100 times now. I'm ******* tired of you doing nothing about this. You've driven away quality poster here after quality poster by ignoring **** like this. It's pathetic.

Yeah, I made a mistake in a couple posts over 5 years ago when I inartfully tried to explain co-insurance. I acknowledged the mistake and corrected myself. Yet, this ****** keeps trolling with this time and time again. Now he has 3 or 4 other ******** who keep bringing it up.

Clean this ******* pig sty up, or wallow in the **** with him.

Its not that you were simply confused about insurance deductibles. You were trying to preach to us about how great Obamacare was, and that we didnt know what we were talking about, when you didnt understand a very basic attribute of insurance, such as what a deductible was and what a copay was.

That was hilarious and still triggers poor commietom.

Bless his heart.

Oh and BTW

Still waiting to hear a solution

(03-27-2023 02:19 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Let's try something new. Republicans get off their asses and actually do something that works, or we just take away all the guns. We've tried everything but that apparently.

There it is. The mindless do nothing virtue signal fallback of every prog filth.

That a boy. You didnt disappoint.


What is your solution?

I'll start with I lean conservative, just to head off some criticism that I'm sure will come.

But at this point, when do we say enough is enough and get more serious about controlling violence in this country? I have a daughter about to go into school - my wife is terrified for her and I don't blame her.

There has to be something that can be done to put a dent into this thing - and its going to have to be a compromise (if we are even capable of such a thing). So what does it look like? Tom gave a starting point above. As much as he and I disagree on many things, at least he started the conversation. I'll repost and opine:

1. Ban assault weapons. (probably not going to happen, too broad an initial target, people get caught up in semantics here)
2. Increased and or mandatory waiting periods. (I could go for this)
3. Enhanced background checks. (YES - and enforce the damn ones we already have. Penalize retailers who do not follow. Penalize govt officials who miss red flags)
4. Mandatory mental health evaluations. (ehhhh...need more info here...seems to give too much power to gov't)
5. Mandatory insurance if you're going to own a firearm. (maybe? What would it cover?)
6. Increased age limits on purchases. (yes. should be 21 for sure)
7. Mandatory training and periodic certification. (YES)
8. Required licenses to own firearms. (Maybe could even get on board here)
9. Universal health care so mental health issues can be treated affordably. (not a fan of UHC...but would like to see more affordable options..maybe start by breaking down the Insurance lobby)


What are your solutions?

(03-27-2023 02:19 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Let's try something new. Republicans get off their asses and actually do something that works, or we just take away all the guns. We've tried everything but that apparently.

Many of us, myself included, have given multiple options of things in a multitude of threads over the years that could be done to prevent these mass shootings. The ideas run the gamut, some include certain measures of gun reform, some include mental healthcare as an important part of healthcare in general.

ALL of these get shot down (no pun intended) in favor of keeping guns just as easily accessible as they currently are. Never mind the fact that Bill Lee's nonsensical open carry nonsense has just added fuel to the fire in this state with gun thefts and therefore additional crimes committed with stolen guns (not saying that applies in this instance).

The people who aren't willing to budge on gun reform would rather protect guns than protect kids. When nothing was done after Sandy Hook, sadly it was all over with.

(03-27-2023 02:38 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  I'll start with I lean conservative, just to head off some criticism that I'm sure will come.

But at this point, when do we say enough is enough and get more serious about controlling violence in this country? I have a daughter about to go into school - my wife is terrified for her and I don't blame her.

There has to be something that can be done to put a dent into this thing - and its going to have to be a compromise (if we are even capable of such a thing). So what does it look like? Tom gave a starting point above. As much as he and I disagree on many things, at least he started the conversation. I'll repost and opine:

1. Ban assault weapons. (probably not going to happen, too broad an initial target, people get caught up in semantics here)
2. Increased and or mandatory waiting periods. (I could go for this)
3. Enhanced background checks. (YES - and enforce the damn ones we already have. Penalize retailers who do not follow. Penalize govt officials who miss red flags)
4. Mandatory mental health evaluations. (ehhhh...need more info here...seems to give too much power to gov't)
5. Mandatory insurance if you're going to own a firearm. (maybe? What would it cover?)
6. Increased age limits on purchases. (yes. should be 21 for sure)
7. Mandatory training and periodic certification. (YES)
8. Required licenses to own firearms. (Maybe could even get on board here)
9. Universal health care so mental health issues can be treated affordably. (not a fan of UHC...but would like to see more affordable options..maybe start by breaking down the Insurance lobby)


What are your solutions?

I had several of the same suggestions back the last time I made my list of them - there IS common ground to be found. Bottom line, suggestions have been made every single time and they just get waved off.

I'll try to find my list...I'll find it interesting to see how well your list is received vs mine when you preface it as leaning conservative.

Nothing was done after Sandy Hook?? Baloney. In MI they’re pushing for a law being sold as one DeSantis in FL passed after the shooting that happened there a few years ago. Laws are passed every year that are supposed to work. People know they don’t so the real solution is a total ‘coming for your guns.’

I found my list not too far away from the other one that was posted during UVA in 2022, and previously in 2017 (hence the bump stock mention up top):

https://csnbbs.com/thread-959404-post-18...id18589291

This was a post I made back in 2017 - sadly a lot of the same things remain problems - it was after the Vegas shooting, so 'bump stocks' were a hot topic, so take that into account:

-Support a crackdown on existing gun laws (certainly we can all agree on that one).
-Support a national “permit to purchase” policy.
-Support a ban on modifications like "bump stocks" (which I had never even heard of until this event) that serve no purpose other than to kill multitudes of people.
-Support across-the-board registration with fingerprints for all firearms.
-Support laws to keep those previously convicted of domestic violence and/or those with diagnosed mental health issues from getting a gun.
-Strict liability for gun owners who do not store & secure guns properly (if your gun is in your unlocked car & gets stolen, you pay.)
-Support that gun owners AND sellers be required to purchase insurance.
-Support the removal of the PLCAA, which keeps gun companies, gun shows & dealers from being able to be sued for illegal purchases.
-Support an end to ‘no questions asked’ type of gun sales (taken care of with some of the items above).
-Support improving healthcare options that provide more mental health treatment for those who need it.

Mandatory national safe storage requirements. If your gun is stolen or used by a kid without permission you get criminal charges for not storing it properly.

Medicare for all.

Mental health care as part of Medicare for all.

First thing you idiots leftists have to do is

Define Assault Weapon

Nothing will be done. It will be given lip service until it is out of the news cycle. Though this time the shooter being a woman might keep it in the headlines longer. Or is the "shall not be infringed" gang going to talk about how "emotional" women are?

(03-27-2023 02:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:19 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Let's try something new. Republicans get off their asses and actually do something that works, or we just take away all the guns. We've tried everything but that apparently.

There it is. The mindless do nothing virtue signal fallback of every prog filth.

That a boy. You didnt disappoint.


What is your solution?

Why don't you try reading for once in your life Shere?

Quote:-Cheap, easily accessible healthcare
-Cheap, easily accessible mental healthcare
-Expanded social safety net policies
-Policing reform
-Abolishing corporate influence in politics (NRA anyone?)
-Allowing scientists to actually research gun violence instead of political lobbyists ghost writing policy to outlaw it

This was in the link I posted.

And you, sir, have gnawed away at any of the good will we've built over the past 12 years on this website, until nothing remains. You're not funny or witty anymore, you're just a malevolent troll now. It's a shame, really.

(03-27-2023 02:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  TN already in trouble for their Drag bill. Maybe D’s will stop moving there.

In trouble?

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(03-27-2023 02:53 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  TN already in trouble for their Drag bill. Maybe D’s will stop moving there.

In trouble?

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Not in trouble one bit

(03-27-2023 02:50 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  First thing you idiots leftists have to do is

Define Assault Weapon

This is distracting bull****. Forget the assault weapon thing. HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?

Criminals use guns in the commission of crimes. The obvious solution to this is to take away the guns of law abiding citizens.