It seems a former UVA football player shot 5 UVA students on a bus at the campus this morning. 3 of the dead students were current members of the UVA football team.

From the article below:
University of Virginia Police Chief Timothy Longo said authorities secured an arrest warrant charging Christopher Darnell Jones Jr. with three counts of second-degree murder and three counts of using a handgun in the alleged commission of a felony following the deaths of D’Sean Perry, Devin Chandler and Lavel Davis Jr.

The identities of the two injured victims hospitalized were not shared during a news conference. One is in good condition and the other is in critical condition, UVA President Jim Ryan said.

Perry, Chandler, and Davis were members of the UVA football team.

Another school shooting tragedy at a University.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3-d...-rcna57004

https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-vi...-teammates

This seems to be premeditated and between the football players.

Sad day at UVA. Jones is the subject of a past history on the Football team.

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UVA shooting suspect faced prior hazing investigation

Quote:The former University of Virginia student who has been charged with murdering three of his former teammates had also previously faced a university investigation into a hazing incident, Fox News reports.

Christopher Darnell Jones, Jr., 23, is accused of shooting five of his teammates, including three fatally, as they were returning on a bus from a class trip. He has been charged with three counts of second-degree murder and three counts of using a handgun in the commission of a felony, according to authorities.

At a press conference on Monday morning, UVA police chief Timothy J. Longo spoke about Jones' history with his department.

"Mr. Jones has also come to the attention of our threat assessment team because he was involved in a hazing investigation of some sort," Longo said. "I don’t know the facts and circumstances of that investigation. I know it was eventually closed due to witnesses who would not cooperate with the process."

The university maintains a Hazing Misconduct Report that details past hazing misconduct, but it is explained that "reports of hazing that did not result in a finding of responsibility are not included," so the investigation into Jones does not appear.

Longo went on to discuss another incident involving Jones.

"Through the course of the threat assessment team’s investigation, we learned of a prior criminal incident involving a concealed weapon violation that occurred outside the city of Charlottesville in February 2021," Longo added, explaining that despite the incident taking place outside of the university, as a UVA student he was required to report it, but never did.

The three deceased victims of the shooting have been identified as second-year student Devin Chandler, third-year student Lavel Davis, and fourth-year student D'Sean Perry. All three of them were members of the UVA football team.

Two other students who have yet to be identified but who were also members of the UVA football team were transported to UVA Medical Center to be treated for injuries. As of Monday afternoon they remain hospitalized, one of them in critical condition.

A heartbreaking tragedy. It is so sad to see young people with bright futures cut down, and I feel for those families who sent sons off to college yet they will not be home this Christmas or ever again.

(11-14-2022 07:01 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  A heartbreaking tragedy. It is so sad to see young people with bright futures cut down, and I feel for those families who sent sons off to college yet they will not be home this Christmas or ever again.

After hearing of those five students at UVA who were shot and hearing about the four Idaho students being found dead, I reached out to my son who's a college sophomore just to tell him how much I love him. Life can be taken in an instant. I can't imagine the pain all those parents are going through right now.

(11-14-2022 07:06 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 07:01 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  A heartbreaking tragedy. It is so sad to see young people with bright futures cut down, and I feel for those families who sent sons off to college yet they will not be home this Christmas or ever again.

After hearing of those five students at UVA who were shot and hearing about the four Idaho students being found dead, I reached out to my son who's a college sophomore just to tell him how much I love him. Life can be taken in an instant. I can't imagine the pain all those parents are going through right now.

UVA doesn't sound random. Sounds like some kind of personal grudge.

This is something we'll just have to continue living with. Both sides have dug in. One side has the wrong answer and the other side has no answer.

(11-15-2022 08:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Both sides have dug in. One side has the wrong answer and the other side has no answer.

Unfortunately you could say that about a lot of issues. Evil party versus stupid party.

Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

(11-15-2022 11:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

Out of curiosity, what gun laws do you suggest be implemented to prevent criminals from doing heinous acts? I'm being serious. We have lots of laws in place but I'm truly curious what additional laws you feel would have an impact.

(11-15-2022 11:37 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

Out of curiosity, what gun laws do you suggest be implemented to prevent criminals from doing heinous acts? I'm being serious. We have lots of laws in place but I'm truly curious what additional laws you feel would have an impact.

You're wasting your time. When gun laws are passed there will no longer be criminals to break said laws. There were multiple laws in place in this situation and ALL were broken, but somehow it is the "Republicans" fault. You can't reason with the unreasonable.

(11-15-2022 10:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 08:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Both sides have dug in. One side has the wrong answer and the other side has no answer.

Unfortunately you could say that about a lot of issues. Evil party versus stupid party.

Not just the parties, but the people. Look at the above posts, I'll summarize...

"Get the guns! If you disagree you are a murderer"
"That won't work. Nothing we can do."

And usually it starts with arguments over what political affiliation the shooter subscribes to.

And if the arguer on the right does offer a solution, it tends to revolve around turning schools into prisons. "If we only had metal detectors, a small army, and access controls in every school..."

Never any concern with figuring out why so many people are going crazy or what is culturally or systemically different today rather from 30 years ago when this type of thing was rare.

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Yep

He will come back with some idiotic response

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(11-15-2022 11:37 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

Out of curiosity, what gun laws do you suggest be implemented to prevent criminals from doing heinous acts? I'm being serious. We have lots of laws in place but I'm truly curious what additional laws you feel would have an impact.

We could start with anything at all?

Here's solutions that don't involve guns that Republicans refuse to consider:

-Cheap, easily accessible healthcare
-Cheap, easily accessible mental healthcare
-Expanded social safety net policies
-Policing reform
-Abolishing corporate influence in politics (NRA anyone?)
-Allowing scientists to actually research gun violence instead of political lobbyists ghost writing policy to outlaw it

What have Republicans done since Sandy Hook beyond thoughts and prayers?

(11-15-2022 12:21 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:37 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

Out of curiosity, what gun laws do you suggest be implemented to prevent criminals from doing heinous acts? I'm being serious. We have lots of laws in place but I'm truly curious what additional laws you feel would have an impact.

We could start with anything at all?

Here's solutions that don't involve guns that Republicans refuse to consider:

-Cheap, easily accessible healthcare
-Cheap, easily accessible mental healthcare
-Expanded social safety net policies
-Policing reform
-Abolishing corporate influence in politics (NRA anyone?)
-Allowing scientists to actually research gun violence instead of political lobbyists ghost writing policy to outlaw it

What have Republicans done since Sandy Hook beyond thoughts and prayers?

So, no answer to my question about your statement, in bold above? You specifically mentioned gun laws.

It's obvious other measures to deal with mentally ill need to be taken, which haven't been taken by either side. Liberals control several states and have total control at the federal level numerous times over the last few years. It appears neither side has addressed some of those things on your list. One only has to look at California and the vast number of mentally disturbed homeless who aren't receiving anything from their liberal state to help. Please don't deflect if you don't have an answer. I was looking for an intellectual discussion but I get more of the same.....both sides are adept at deflection and non action.

(11-15-2022 12:30 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 12:21 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:37 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

Out of curiosity, what gun laws do you suggest be implemented to prevent criminals from doing heinous acts? I'm being serious. We have lots of laws in place but I'm truly curious what additional laws you feel would have an impact.

We could start with anything at all?

Here's solutions that don't involve guns that Republicans refuse to consider:

-Cheap, easily accessible healthcare
-Cheap, easily accessible mental healthcare
-Expanded social safety net policies
-Policing reform
-Abolishing corporate influence in politics (NRA anyone?)
-Allowing scientists to actually research gun violence instead of political lobbyists ghost writing policy to outlaw it

What have Republicans done since Sandy Hook beyond thoughts and prayers?

So, no answer to my question about your statement, in bold above? You specifically mentioned gun laws.

It's obvious other measures to deal with mentally ill need to be taken, which haven't been taken by either side. Liberals control several states and have total control at the federal level numerous times over the last few years. It appears neither side has addressed some of those things on your list. One only has to look at California and the vast number of mentally disturbed homeless who aren't receiving anything from their liberal state to help. Please don't deflect if you don't have an answer. I was looking for an intellectual discussion but I get more of the same.....both sides are adept at deflection and non action.

Expecting an honest reply from this guy is the same as expecting one from Commie Tommie. It ain't gonna happen.

(11-15-2022 11:37 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:21 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Where was the good guy with a gun to save the day?

They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

Out of curiosity, what gun laws do you suggest be implemented to prevent criminals from doing heinous acts? I'm being serious. We have lots of laws in place but I'm truly curious what additional laws you feel would have an impact.

This was a post I made back in 2017 - sadly a lot of the same things remain problems - it was after the Vegas shooting, so 'bump stocks' were a hot topic, so take that into account:



-Support a crackdown on existing gun laws (certainly we can all agree on that one).
-Support a national “permit to purchase” policy.
-Support a ban on modifications like "bump stocks" (which I had never even heard of until this event) that serve no purpose other than to kill multitudes of people.
-Support across-the-board registration with fingerprints for all firearms.
-Support laws to keep those previously convicted of domestic violence and/or those with diagnosed mental health issues from getting a gun.
-Strict liability for gun owners who do not store & secure guns properly (if your gun is in your unlocked car & gets stolen, you pay.)
-Support that gun owners AND sellers be required to purchase insurance.
-Support the removal of the PLCAA, which keeps gun companies, gun shows & dealers from being able to be sued for illegal purchases.
-Support an end to ‘no questions asked’ type of gun sales (taken care of with some of the items above).
-Support improving healthcare options that provide more mental health treatment for those who need it.

The 'permit to purchase" was met with vitriol by some here, screaming about being on a list, and "omg muh guns," blah blah blah.

If we can all agree as we have earlier that the 2nd amendment is not being repealed, therefore all guns are not being taken away from you, here are the studies that showed where these things worked:

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-a...ernick.pdf

Missouri REPEALED a law like this, and experienced a 14% uptick in the murder rate, and a 16% jump in the suicide by firearm rate.

After Missouri’s PTP law was repealed, the share of guns recovered from criminals that moved swiftly from a retail sale to crime involvement doubled, and the share of crime guns that originated from an in-state retail transaction doubled.

Connecticut IMPLEMENTED a law like this, and had a 40% REDUCTION in firearm homicides (!) and a 15% reduction in firearm suicides.

There was also no "substitution effect," where criminals chose to switch to another weapon....that goes back to my earlier statement of how we have some lazy criminals in this country who aren't going to go above & beyond just to get a gun, so the "criminals will get guns one way or the other" argument is moot.

From that same study:
https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases...cides.html

States with handgun purchaser licensing laws have lower rates of guns being diverted to criminals shortly after retail sale and lower rates of exporting guns to criminals in other states.
A study of guns traced to crime in 53 cities found that the PTP laws allowing police discretion were associated with 64% lower risk of guns being diverted guns to criminals within the state compared to states without such laws.
Criminals in places with PTP laws who used guns typically acquired guns that originated from states with weaker laws.
Another study found that PTP laws requiring fingerprinting of applicants were among the most effective state policies to reduce diversions of guns to criminals across state borders. PTP laws that gave law enforcement discretion in issuing permits were associated with 76% lower per capita rates of exporting guns to criminals, while PTP laws that did not allow discretion but still required fingerprinting of purchasers were associated with 45% lower rates of exporting guns to criminals in other states.

(11-15-2022 12:30 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 12:21 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:37 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-15-2022 11:24 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They aren't allowed on campus. "Gun Free Zone". But I'm sure you know that, and you're just being a D*ck. Mission Accomplished.

Republicans have followed the same script since Sandy Hook. If dead children wasn't enough to change gun laws in the US, then nothing will. You'll give your thoughts and prayers and then in the next sentence support politicians that actively make these events worse and more frequent.

Out of curiosity, what gun laws do you suggest be implemented to prevent criminals from doing heinous acts? I'm being serious. We have lots of laws in place but I'm truly curious what additional laws you feel would have an impact.

We could start with anything at all?

Here's solutions that don't involve guns that Republicans refuse to consider:

-Cheap, easily accessible healthcare
-Cheap, easily accessible mental healthcare
-Expanded social safety net policies
-Policing reform
-Abolishing corporate influence in politics (NRA anyone?)
-Allowing scientists to actually research gun violence instead of political lobbyists ghost writing policy to outlaw it

What have Republicans done since Sandy Hook beyond thoughts and prayers?

So, no answer to my question about your statement, in bold above? You specifically mentioned gun laws.

It's obvious other measures to deal with mentally ill need to be taken, which haven't been taken by either side. Liberals control several states and have total control at the federal level numerous times over the last few years. It appears neither side has addressed some of those things on your list. One only has to look at California and the vast number of mentally disturbed homeless who aren't receiving anything from their liberal state to help. Please don't deflect if you don't have an answer. I was looking for an intellectual discussion but I get more of the same.....both sides are adept at deflection and non action.

Good points WKU. I've rarely heard a gun control proposal I don't like, but Republicans are also correct that mental health is a huge part of the problem. And you're right that blue states should be leading by example on ways we can address that portion of the problem - it has been too hard for years to get much done federally, but blue states with supermajorities like California should be pioneering ways to address our ongoing mental health crisis and perhaps come up with some solutions that would be picked up by other states and nationally if they get good results.

Democrats are too quick to point and shout "GUNS", while Republicans cling to their precious firearms for dear life and are too quick to point and shout "CRAZY". Both sides are right in part but glossing over the other side of the problem, and we need to strive for compromise solutions that address both guns & mental health in the same piece of legislation, bit by bit until we reduce our gun violence epidemic to levels comparable to those in other wealthy Western countries.