(01-25-2023 08:20 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:24 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:21 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:13 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  No, Bates would not be averaging 23 for Memphis like he is right now, but let's not pretend this team couldn't use his scoring prowess. The problem last year wasn't Bates, it was the backlog at his position with the likes of Lester and Nolley that caused tension. This year it would have set up much better for him. Personally im fine with him not on the team, but again, its a mistake to pretend he wouldn't be a net positive for this team this year.

Nobody's pretending anything. He's a superstar for a team that's #341 in the NET. He's putting up those numbers because of two primary factors: the competition has been overwhelmingly poor (with few exceptions) and they constantly feed him the ball because they don't have better options. Surely you don't think he would be nearly as effective against consistently better competition do you, even if that team let him ball hog the way he does at Eastern Michigan?

This is how their season (and level of competition) has looked thus far:

Bates would have been more effective than Kennedy and Franklin are now for our team. Not sure how you could argue that. Like I said, he wouldn't average 20, but he would have provided a legitimate outside threat. Do I think he would be some all time game changer for us? No, but its silly to dismiss him like he would have been complete crap

And you know this how? Outside of being a better catch and shoot guy, which is debatable between he and Kennedy

Without question Bates is a huge liability on defense compared to those two, and they aren't amazing defenders. They also don't expect to shoot the ball every possession either, so there's that.

(01-25-2023 08:23 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 08:20 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:24 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:21 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:13 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  No, Bates would not be averaging 23 for Memphis like he is right now, but let's not pretend this team couldn't use his scoring prowess. The problem last year wasn't Bates, it was the backlog at his position with the likes of Lester and Nolley that caused tension. This year it would have set up much better for him. Personally im fine with him not on the team, but again, its a mistake to pretend he wouldn't be a net positive for this team this year.

Nobody's pretending anything. He's a superstar for a team that's #341 in the NET. He's putting up those numbers because of two primary factors: the competition has been overwhelmingly poor (with few exceptions) and they constantly feed him the ball because they don't have better options. Surely you don't think he would be nearly as effective against consistently better competition do you, even if that team let him ball hog the way he does at Eastern Michigan?

This is how their season (and level of competition) has looked thus far:

Bates would have been more effective than Kennedy and Franklin are now for our team. Not sure how you could argue that. Like I said, he wouldn't average 20, but he would have provided a legitimate outside threat. Do I think he would be some all time game changer for us? No, but its silly to dismiss him like he would have been complete crap

And you know this how? Outside of being a better catch and shoot guy, which is debatable between he and Kennedy

Without question Bates is a huge liability on defense compared to those two, and they aren't amazing defenders. They also don't expect to shoot the ball every possession either, so there's that.

Plus I haven’t heard a word from Kennedys dad

(01-25-2023 07:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 01:41 AM)passat25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:27 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Not just Bates having a good year, there's Boogie at USC having another good year & Baugh at TCU who is an integral part of a good TCU team that beat Kansas the other night.

I still miss Baugh.. He was a good kid, Penny ruined him.. and then pushed him out..

Boogie??? That kid was home sick all his time at Memphis.. We don't need players who miss his mama, his dog, his homies, his hood, etc.

Home always looks better when you are stuck playing behind guys that you know aren't as good as you are. I'm thinking Boogie & Baugh would have been a fine Memphis backcourt if they had been given the minutes they have received on their current teams - they've proven themselves with PT.

Quote:Home always looks better when you are stuck playing behind guys that you know aren't as good as you are.

You are as usual, being dishonest. Boogie had threatened to go home starting during his freshman season. Everyone (even you) knows this.

Here are Baugh's stats before and after Lomax' injury.

17 Games Before Lomax Injury
17.9 Minutes
3.5 Points
2.3 Assists
1.6 Turnovers
44.4% Field Goal
35.7% 3 Point (14 in 17 games, the exact thing people complain about Lomax)
68.8% Free Throws

9 Games After Lomax Injury
22.8 Minutes
2.7 Points
2.0 Assists
1.0 Turnovers
35.7% Field Goal
0.0% 3 Point (5 attempts in 9 games, the exact thing people complain about Lomax)
66.7% Free Throws

Baugh had 9 games without having to supposedly look over his shoulder for Lomax, and did worse with the additional playing time. Lomax played 22.7 minutes per game for the season, and that is based on my calculations not including Mississippi State, where he played 1 minute at the end of the game.

For 4 years you have constantly crapped on Lomax. During his recruitment you constantly told EVERYONE that they were IDIOTS for thinking that Lomax wasn't going to be a great point guard his entire career. Apparently high school rankings were for the birds and you knew better.

To summarize.

- During his recruitment, telling everyone Lomax was going to be a star
- During his entire career, relentlessly putting Lomax down
- Claiming Baugh didn't get an opportunity here, when he played 20 minutes per game as a freshman and sophmore.
- For his Memphis career, Baugh averaged less than 4 points and around 2.5 assists per game
- He was even worse AFTER Lomax got hurt

So that's where we are. You have had this explained to you dozens of times.

Bates got what he wanted. He has the ball in his hands and can do as he pleases when he pleases.

I wish him success, but he was not a good fit for Memphis or any other high major turning down his services.

(01-25-2023 08:20 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:24 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:21 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:13 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  No, Bates would not be averaging 23 for Memphis like he is right now, but let's not pretend this team couldn't use his scoring prowess. The problem last year wasn't Bates, it was the backlog at his position with the likes of Lester and Nolley that caused tension. This year it would have set up much better for him. Personally im fine with him not on the team, but again, its a mistake to pretend he wouldn't be a net positive for this team this year.

Nobody's pretending anything. He's a superstar for a team that's #341 in the NET. He's putting up those numbers because of two primary factors: the competition has been overwhelmingly poor (with few exceptions) and they constantly feed him the ball because they don't have better options. Surely you don't think he would be nearly as effective against consistently better competition do you, even if that team let him ball hog the way he does at Eastern Michigan?

This is how their season (and level of competition) has looked thus far:

Bates would have been more effective than Kennedy and Franklin are now for our team. Not sure how you could argue that. Like I said, he wouldn't average 20, but he would have provided a legitimate outside threat. Do I think he would be some all time game changer for us? No, but its silly to dismiss him like he would have been complete crap

And you know this how? Outside of being a better catch and shoot guy, which is debatable between he and Kennedy

No, Bates is definitely a better catch & shot guy. But he's probably behind Kennedy in other aspects of the game which makes it hard to discern overall team benefit.

(01-24-2023 09:32 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  43 Points
1 assist... in a loss

43 points is a good night, no matter how you slice it. No matter who it's against.

(01-25-2023 09:46 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:32 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  43 Points
1 assist... in a loss

43 points is a good night, no matter how you slice it. No matter who it's against.

I wouldn't say that he would turn into this 100% team first, shoot later player, but at the same time, I'm sure he wouldn't be jacking up all those shots if he was here. I think Davis would create so many opportunities for him, that he would get more than enough playing within the parameters of a team game. He wouldn't have to take, nor would he be allowed to take off balance, contested 25 footers.

Kid got what he wanted-

Unlimited shots
Doesn’t have to play D
Doesn’t matter to him they’re 4-16

Sounds like he is NBA ready right now. Wonder if his dad has gone into the locker room to cuss out Heath yet. Must not have since EB hasn’t developed any sudden back issues like when that happened last season.

(01-24-2023 07:48 PM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  Scored 27 straight points in first half of Eastern Mich game. Finished with 29 points in first half on 10-14 shooting and 7-9 from 3

Heard a rumor he transferred. I guess you have confirmed

(01-25-2023 10:33 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Kid got what he wanted-

Unlimited shots
Doesn’t have to play D
Doesn’t matter to him they’re 4-16

Sounds like he is NBA ready right now. Wonder if his dad has gone into the locker room to cuss out Heath yet. Must not have since EB hasn’t developed any sudden back issues like when that happened last season.

I've watched a few of his games. His teammates are always looking to get the ball to him. It's not a vibe where someone is a ballhog who is pissing off the rest of the team. He isn't demanding the ball all the time, but his teammates mostly don't even try to score.

When he was with us, forcing shots, you could see the frustration from the other players, with good reason. It isn't like that for him now.

Bates is a team killer, so trying to compare potential stats now to the guys we currently have is pointless.

Last year, we were better when he sat. This year, his stats are fine, but his team is 4-17. Emoni is one of “those guys” who really doesn’t care about the scoreboard, as long as his stat line is good. I’m happy he’s gone & wish Penny had never signed him. He torpedoed last years team.

(01-25-2023 10:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I've watched a few of his games. His teammates are always looking to get the ball to him. It's not a vibe where someone is a ballhog who is pissing off the rest of the team. He isn't demanding the ball all the time, but his teammates mostly don't even try to score.

When he was with us, forcing shots, you could see the frustration from the other players, with good reason. It isn't like that for him now.

It's obvious the game plan is to feed the ball to Bates and little more. He's not a well rounded player, but no one can say he can't shoot. It'll be interesting to see how he handles the exponential increase in difficulty when he transitions to pro ball, not to mention having to coexist with other strong talents and personalities.

(01-25-2023 07:52 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 02:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 01:41 AM)passat25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:27 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Not just Bates having a good year, there's Boogie at USC having another good year & Baugh at TCU who is an integral part of a good TCU team that beat Kansas the other night.

I still miss Baugh.. He was a good kid, Penny ruined him.. and then pushed him out..

Boogie??? That kid was home sick all his time at Memphis.. We don't need players who miss his mama, his dog, his homies, his hood, etc.

Ruined him how? You can't equal how dumb your last rant was, but give it a shot.

Must you be a dick with every response? Stop being a show off, we all know how good you are at it. It's boring as hell and makes me wonder about your intellect.

......you are just wondering about that now......HOW- HOW are you just wondering about that now-------instead of a long long time ago LOL---------I think its safe to stop wondering

(01-25-2023 10:59 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ......you are just wondering about that now......HOW- HOW are you just wondering about that now-------instead of a long long time ago LOL---------I think its safe to stop wondering

It seems that the great majority of your posts either involve breaking down Davis in some misguided attempt to build up Lomax (who I am a fan of), or to respond to some comment about Stammers. Thankfully you've stopped ranting about Pastner winning "global" championshps. In summary, you don't like Davis, you love Lomax, you might love Pastner even more, and you hate Stammer. We get it.

(01-25-2023 10:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 10:33 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Kid got what he wanted-

Unlimited shots
Doesn’t have to play D
Doesn’t matter to him they’re 4-16

Sounds like he is NBA ready right now. Wonder if his dad has gone into the locker room to cuss out Heath yet. Must not have since EB hasn’t developed any sudden back issues like when that happened last season.

I've watched a few of his games. His teammates are always looking to get the ball to him. It's not a vibe where someone is a ballhog who is pissing off the rest of the team. He isn't demanding the ball all the time, but his teammates mostly don't even try to score.

When he was with us, forcing shots, you could see the frustration from the other players, with good reason. It isn't like that for him now.

EMU doesn’t have a player averaging more than 2.8 assists per game, and as a team only averages 9 per game. That doesn’t sound like a squad trying to get him shots… it sounds like a dude taking shots. They rank 360 of the 363 teams in major college basketball in assists per game. They were bad last year, yet they were still better without him.

(01-25-2023 11:05 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 10:59 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ......you are just wondering about that now......HOW- HOW are you just wondering about that now-------instead of a long long time ago LOL---------I think its safe to stop wondering

It seems that the great majority of your posts either involve breaking down Davis in some misguided attempt to build up Lomax (who I am a fan of), or to respond to some comment about Stammers. Thankfully you've stopped ranting about Pastner winning "global" championshps. In summary, you don't like Davis, you love Lomax, you might love Pastner even more, and you hate Stammer. We get it.

Well, I put J on ignore and still have to engage with his pandering. Maybe if everyone else put him on ignore...

(01-25-2023 11:07 AM)slktigers Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 11:05 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 10:59 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ......you are just wondering about that now......HOW- HOW are you just wondering about that now-------instead of a long long time ago LOL---------I think its safe to stop wondering

It seems that the great majority of your posts either involve breaking down Davis in some misguided attempt to build up Lomax (who I am a fan of), or to respond to some comment about Stammers. Thankfully you've stopped ranting about Pastner winning "global" championshps. In summary, you don't like Davis, you love Lomax, you might love Pastner even more, and you hate Stammer. We get it.

Well, I put J on ignore and still have to engage with his pandering. Maybe if everyone else put him on ignore...

I'm not a "censorship" kind of guy even when it's irritating, but I may have to make an exception for jsw3ent and thagr82008 one of these days. The crazy doesn't pair well with my morning coffee.

(01-25-2023 11:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  EMU doesn’t have a player averaging more than 2.8 assists per game, and as a team only averages 9 per game. That doesn’t sound like a squad trying to get him shots… it sounds like a dude taking shots. They rank 360 of the 363 teams in major college basketball in assists per game. They were bad last year, yet they were still better without him.

Have you considered that making it a priority to get the ball into his hands isn't necessarily going to always yield an assist? Regarding the nine assists they do log, where do you think the ball is going the majority of the time?

(01-25-2023 11:25 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 11:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  EMU doesn’t have a player averaging more than 2.8 assists per game, and as a team only averages 9 per game. That doesn’t sound like a squad trying to get him shots… it sounds like a dude taking shots. They rank 360 of the 363 teams in major college basketball in assists per game. They were bad last year, yet they were still better without him.

Have you considered that making it a priority to get the ball into his hands isn't necessarily going to always yield an assist? Regarding the nine assists they do log, where do you think the ball is going the majority of the time?

EMU has made a total of 515 shots & have but 190 total assists on those made shots… roughly 36%.

For comparisons sake, Memphis has 573 made shots with 315 total assists… meaning 55% of our made buckets come off a pass.

EMU watches Emoni shoot.

(01-25-2023 12:00 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 11:25 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 11:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  EMU doesn’t have a player averaging more than 2.8 assists per game, and as a team only averages 9 per game. That doesn’t sound like a squad trying to get him shots… it sounds like a dude taking shots. They rank 360 of the 363 teams in major college basketball in assists per game. They were bad last year, yet they were still better without him.

Have you considered that making it a priority to get the ball into his hands isn't necessarily going to always yield an assist? Regarding the nine assists they do log, where do you think the ball is going the majority of the time?

EMU has made a total of 515 shots & have but 190 total assists on those made shots… roughly 36%.

For comparisons sake, Memphis has 573 made shots with 315 total assists… meaning 55% of our made buckets come off a pass.

EMU watches Emoni shoot.

Again, do you understand that feeding him the ball will not always result in an assist? If they pass him the ball and it doesn't immediately result in points scored, even if he does eventually score while in possession of said ball, then it's not an assist per the stats. That doesn't mean the game plan isn't to try and get Bates shots, which is what you asserted above.