Since the state did this all for the University, are we going to get to use the stadium rent-free now?

(01-13-2023 12:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:53 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've explained sad clearly as the letter wrote it. But you refuse to see it because it doesn't fit your preferred narrative. Reality is RS is still here which means he has met the required std at least thru yr 3 of his contract.

The reality is that the world is not black and white. There are numerous factors that go into whether or not you keep a coach. In this instance, I can see multiple reasons why he wasn't terminated this season. Don't you think the rebooting of staff is an indicator that broad corrections are being made? Do you believe the coach would still have a job next year if he repeats his performance the past couple of seasons?

I strongly believe you are the one distorting circumstances to fit a flawed interpretation of the AD's statements. No need to keep circling the wagons on that point. We agree to disagree. I was just wondering why your interpretation of the president's comments - which have still not been shared verbatim to afford a fair evaluation - would be so contradictory to a vetted insider's (someone who would assuredly know more than you regarding the inner machinations of the program) statements.

The questions in your first para are simply speculation on your part - it's what you want to believe, nothing more. What I am saying is that RS has for the last two years had a losing record in the AAC & finished 6-6 overall thanks to a very weak OOC schedule which has obviously meet a minimum std as indicated by the AD to allow RS at least another year as HC. So clearly RS has met the conditions required to keep his job, a minimum std according to the AD's own public words. Where, I will also state again, the AD on behalf of the admin would rather be competing for championships.
Regarding the president's comments at the Atlanta breakfast, I didn't record them but I did include quotation marks indicating that is verbatim what he said.

(01-13-2023 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  The questions in your first para are simply speculation on your part - it's what you want to believe, nothing more.

They were simply questions, and yes, I have my opinions.

(01-13-2023 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What I am saying is that RS has for the last two years had a losing record in the AAC & finished 6-6 overall thanks to a very weak OOC schedule which has obviously meet a minimum std as indicated by the AD to allow RS at least another year as HC.

He went 8-3 in 2020 and finished third in the conference. Irrespective, the AD also made it very clear that the goal is not maintaining the minimum standard yet you willfully ignore that fact.

(01-13-2023 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  So clearly RS has met the conditions required to keep his job, a minimum std according to the AD's own public words.

No. The AD made it clear that the goal is not maintaining the minimum standard, but to be a threat in the conference and to make a presence nationally. Read his email again. The world isn't black and white. You keep creating this binary state in your head that isn't realistic. Not firing the coach at the conclusion of the season isn't confirmation that he will remain employed if he continues to make a bowl game while remaining noncompetitive in the conference. Rebooting his key staff positions is an obvious reaction to the threat of losing his job. It's do or die for Silverfield, and it seems that only you and jsw3ent can't see that.

(01-13-2023 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Regarding the president's comments at the Atlanta breakfast, I didn't record them but I did include quotation marks indicating that is verbatim what he said.

Sure, that's fair. Nevertheless, given the choice between believing you and believing someone who has insider access to the program, it should be clear to all - yes, even you - who likely is correct here.

(01-13-2023 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 12:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:53 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've explained sad clearly as the letter wrote it. But you refuse to see it because it doesn't fit your preferred narrative. Reality is RS is still here which means he has met the required std at least thru yr 3 of his contract.

The reality is that the world is not black and white. There are numerous factors that go into whether or not you keep a coach. In this instance, I can see multiple reasons why he wasn't terminated this season. Don't you think the rebooting of staff is an indicator that broad corrections are being made? Do you believe the coach would still have a job next year if he repeats his performance the past couple of seasons?

I strongly believe you are the one distorting circumstances to fit a flawed interpretation of the AD's statements. No need to keep circling the wagons on that point. We agree to disagree. I was just wondering why your interpretation of the president's comments - which have still not been shared verbatim to afford a fair evaluation - would be so contradictory to a vetted insider's (someone who would assuredly know more than you regarding the inner machinations of the program) statements.

The questions in your first para are simply speculation on your part - it's what you want to believe, nothing more. What I am saying is that RS has for the last two years had a losing record in the AAC & finished 6-6 overall thanks to a very weak OOC schedule which has obviously meet a minimum std as indicated by the AD to allow RS at least another year as HC. So clearly RS has met the conditions required to keep his job, a minimum std according to the AD's own public words. Where, I will also state again, the AD on behalf of the admin would rather be competing for championships.
Regarding the president's comments at the Atlanta breakfast, I didn't record them but I did include quotation marks indicating that is verbatim what he said.

How many times have you posted, slamming the school, the admin and Silverfield, give or take? It is constant. What is the number? 100? 200? 500?

(01-13-2023 12:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  Since the state did this all for the University, are we going to get to use the stadium rent-free now?

Since the state did all this for Nashville, are we going to get to use the new Titan's stadium for free now?

As Mama says, stupid is as stupid does.

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 12:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  Since the state did this all for the University, are we going to get to use the stadium rent-free now?

Since the state did all this for Nashville, are we going to get to use the new Titan's stadium for free now?

As Mama says, stupid is as stupid does.

Couldn't agree more. Still stupid and paying the city to play in the The Liberty Bowl after 50 years of that failing to help move us up the conference ladder.

First person ever in my lifetime from East TN and TN grad to ever say anything positive or in support of the U of M so I am his biggest fan right now, hope like hell he really helps us.

(01-13-2023 01:34 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  First person ever in my lifetime from East TN and TN grad to ever say anything positive or in support of the U of M so I am his biggest fan right now, hope like hell he really helps us.

Ain’t that the truth!?

(01-13-2023 01:33 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 12:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  Since the state did this all for the University, are we going to get to use the stadium rent-free now?

Since the state did all this for Nashville, are we going to get to use the new Titan's stadium for free now?

As Mama says, stupid is as stupid does.

Couldn't agree more. Still stupid and paying the city to play in the The Liberty Bowl after 50 years of that failing to help move us up the conference ladder.

(01-13-2023 02:08 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:33 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 12:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  Since the state did this all for the University, are we going to get to use the stadium rent-free now?

Since the state did all this for Nashville, are we going to get to use the new Titan's stadium for free now?

As Mama says, stupid is as stupid does.

Couldn't agree more. Still stupid and paying the city to play in the The Liberty Bowl after 50 years of that failing to help move us up the conference ladder.

I think it flew over his head.

Is it stupid for UCLA? Is it stupid for USC? Is it stupid for Pit? Is it stupid for Miami?

(01-13-2023 02:10 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  Is it stupid for UCLA? Is it stupid for USC? Is it stupid for Pit? Is it stupid for Miami?

I'll tell you what's stupid. Wishing in one hand and... Ultimately the state seems to be agreeing to give us funding. It may not be what everyone wants, but it's better than the alternative. Having a drastically upgraded stadium will, under no circumstances, hurt our efforts to move up to a P5 conference. That's the simple truth.

(01-13-2023 01:33 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 12:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  Since the state did this all for the University, are we going to get to use the stadium rent-free now?

Since the state did all this for Nashville, are we going to get to use the new Titan's stadium for free now?

As Mama says, stupid is as stupid does.

Couldn't agree more. Still stupid and paying the city to play in the The Liberty Bowl after 50 years of that failing to help move us up the conference ladder.

Better to not do anything, and just let the LB fall apart and wait 10 years when an OCS is $800 million and try to find the money then. That would be smart.

Does anyone know why the OCS was a no and the LB was a yes?

(01-13-2023 02:16 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:10 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  Is it stupid for UCLA? Is it stupid for USC? Is it stupid for Pit? Is it stupid for Miami?

I'll tell you what's stupid. Wishing in one hand and... Ultimately the state seems to be agreeing to give us funding. It may not be what everyone wants, but it's better than the alternative. Having a drastically upgraded stadium will, under no circumstances, hurt our efforts to move up to a P5 conference. That's the simple truth.

Sigh. It WILL hurt our changes of moving up.

- Our games will continue to show half empty stadiums on TV

- Our games will continue to BE half empty when other conference executives visit.

- The university will continue to not receive revenue from stadium concessions and parking that other schools are making every game of every year.

- The university will continue to have little to no say on when and what improvements are made to the stadium over the long term. The city will control that. In ten years we will be complaining about the things that need improving and the city will be trying to get us to pay for them.

- The university will see no income from any other events hosted in the stadium.

- The city will control the jobs for security, vending, concessions, parking, and janitorial services. These are jobs that other schools use to supplement their employees and students incomes.

- The school will be paying the city to use the stadium. Each game will be an expense to the school making it substantially more difficult to run a profitable football program. Since there will be improvements to the stadium, you can bet the city will raise the rental price we pay. I'd love to be wrong about this one and will happily eat crow if I am.

- State officials that DO come to see the new facilities WILL NEVER SET FOOT ON OUR CAMPUS. We will miss that opportunity with every dignitary that shows up to take credit for the stadium improvements. The people with the control of the money will never see the other things we need to show them.

It HAS hurt our chances to move up for decades.

It WILL continue to do so by projecting us as a program with poor attendance. It WILL continue to deny us revenue streams other school's football programs generate. It WILL continue to require a rental fee that other universities do not have to pay. It WILL further the city's ability to control the stadium's use and future development without regard to our needs. It will continue to fail to bring people with money, power, and position onto our campus to see our needs.

And, just like it has proven for 50 years (really more like 100), it WILL NOT result in Tiger football moving up the conference ladder. We've ALREADY been doing this for decades. We are in the American. Are you happy with that result? If you think doing this again is going to have different results, you will be disappointed. This isn't change, and it isn't going to change anything.

(01-13-2023 01:33 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 01:28 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 12:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  Since the state did this all for the University, are we going to get to use the stadium rent-free now?

Since the state did all this for Nashville, are we going to get to use the new Titan's stadium for free now?

As Mama says, stupid is as stupid does.

Couldn't agree more. Still stupid and paying the city to play in the The Liberty Bowl after 50 years of that failing to help move us up the conference ladder.

We have a sweet heart deal when it comes to the stadium rental. If we could average over 40,000-45,000 a game it was be close to rent free.

Wish some of you could understand the cost of operating a stadium. The city loses over a million dollars every year operating the stadium but makes it back on taxes collected due to the economic impact of events held at stadium.

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:16 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 02:10 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  Is it stupid for UCLA? Is it stupid for USC? Is it stupid for Pit? Is it stupid for Miami?

I'll tell you what's stupid. Wishing in one hand and... Ultimately the state seems to be agreeing to give us funding. It may not be what everyone wants, but it's better than the alternative. Having a drastically upgraded stadium will, under no circumstances, hurt our efforts to move up to a P5 conference. That's the simple truth.

Sigh. It WILL hurt our changes of moving up.

- Our games will continue to show half empty stadiums on TV

- Our games will continue to BE half empty when other conference executives visit.

- The university will continue to not receive revenue from stadium concessions and parking that other schools are making every game of every year.

- The university will continue to have little to no say on when and what improvements are made to the stadium over the long term. The city will control that. In ten years we will be complaining about the things that need improving and the city will be trying to get us to pay for them.

- The university will see no income from any other events hosted in the stadium.

- The city will control the jobs for security, vending, concessions, parking, and janitorial services. These are jobs that other schools use to supplement their employees and students incomes.

- The school will be paying the city to use the stadium. Each game will be an expense to the school making it substantially more difficult to run a profitable football program. Since there will be improvements to the stadium, you can bet the city will raise the rental price we pay. I'd love to be wrong about this one and will happily eat crow if I am.

- State officials that DO come to see the new facilities WILL NEVER SET FOOT ON OUR CAMPUS. We will miss that opportunity with every dignitary that shows up to take credit for the stadium improvements. The people with the control of the money will never see the other things we need to show them.

It HAS hurt our chances to move up for decades.

It WILL continue to do so by projecting us as a program with poor attendance. It WILL continue to deny us revenue streams other school's football programs generate. It WILL continue to require a rental fee that other universities do not have to pay. It WILL further the city's ability to control the stadium's use and future development without regard to our needs. It will continue to fail to bring people with money, power, and position onto our campus to see our needs.

And, just like it has proven for 50 years (really more like 100), it WILL NOT result in Tiger football moving up the conference ladder. We've ALREADY been doing this for decades. We are in the American. Are you happy with that result? If you think doing this again is going to have different results, you will be disappointed. This isn't change, and it isn't going to change anything.

Why didn't you tell us this 6 months ago?

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  - Our games will continue to show half empty stadiums on TV

- Our games will continue to BE half empty when other conference executives visit.

Please explain to me how this hurt Houston. They play in a half empty stadium, averaging maybe 25K per game.

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  - The university will continue to not receive revenue from stadium concessions and parking that other schools are making every game of every year.

You're right. Daily upkeep and long-term maintenance is free.

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  - The university will continue to have little to no say on when and what improvements are made to the stadium over the long term. The city will control that. In ten years we will be complaining about the things that need improving and the city will be trying to get us to pay for them.

Money just falls from the sky, so the school could do whatever they want whenever they want any time they wish if they have an OCS. Right?

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  - The university will see no income from any other events hosted in the stadium.

Let's be realistic. How many major productions are renting stadiums?

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  - The city will control the jobs for security, vending, concessions, parking, and janitorial services. These are jobs that other schools use to supplement their employees and students incomes.

I doubt most of the school's existing employees are looking for second jobs, but if they are, what's stopping them and students from applying at the Liberty Bowl?

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  - The school will be paying the city to use the stadium. Each game will be an expense to the school making it substantially more difficult to run a profitable football program. Since there will be improvements to the stadium, you can bet the city will raise the rental price we pay. I'd love to be wrong about this one and will happily eat crow if I am.

Time to break out the cutlery. We don't have to pay any maintenance costs for the facility, and my understanding is the lease is very generous to the school.

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  - State officials that DO come to see the new facilities WILL NEVER SET FOOT ON OUR CAMPUS. We will miss that opportunity with every dignitary that shows up to take credit for the stadium improvements. The people with the control of the money will never see the other things we need to show them.

That's nonsense. If they're two miles away and the president invites them over for a tour, I'm sure it won't be a limiting factor.

(01-13-2023 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  It HAS hurt our chances to move up for decades.

Proof?

(01-13-2023 03:02 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Proof?

We are in the American Athletic Conference.

Do you need more proof?

(01-13-2023 03:13 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 03:02 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Proof?

We are in the American Athletic Conference.

Do you need more proof?

Yes. Proof that lack of an OCS is the reason why [we aren't in a P5 conference] and has been for decades, as you stated. You also never addressed the eight additional disputed points.