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Any feedback on the scrimmage with Purdue in Indy Saturday ?

(10-31-2022 02:16 PM)corky Wrote:  Any feedback on the scrimmage with Purdue in Indy Saturday ?

On a Purdue forum someone said Purdue won by 13 and another poster said they scored a bunch of their points off Cincinnati's 16 turnovers. No idea the accuracy of these accounts.

Here's a bit from the local Purdue paper:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...601809007/

It appears that Purdue's freshman SG is the son of former Huggs assistant John Loyer.

(10-31-2022 03:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  Here's a bit from the local Purdue paper:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...601809007/

It appears that Purdue's freshman SG is the son of former Huggs assistant John Loyer.

Just read the article.......Didn't look too good for us.

(10-31-2022 03:30 PM)corky Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 03:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  Here's a bit from the local Purdue paper:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...601809007/

It appears that Purdue's freshman SG is the son of former Huggs assistant John Loyer.

Just read the article.......Didn't look too good for us.

Look for Miller’s seat to get warm if this year’s squad doesn’t show marked improvement. He says all the right things, but it looks like another year with subpar talent.

(10-31-2022 04:05 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 03:30 PM)corky Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 03:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  Here's a bit from the local Purdue paper:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...601809007/

It appears that Purdue's freshman SG is the son of former Huggs assistant John Loyer.

Just read the article.......Didn't look too good for us.

Look for Miller’s seat to get warm if this year’s squad doesn’t show marked improvement. He says all the right things, but it looks like another year with subpar talent.

He'll have until year 2-3 of the Big 12 IMO. He inherited a situation not too far off of Cronin's, and he'll be jumping into the most difficult conference in America. He isn't going to get dropped in 2-3 years.

This year's team is only going to be marginally better than last year's.

Too much same guy syndrome.

That's another beautiful thing about entering the Big 12. No longer fearing a coaching change and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle with an up and comer. They should be able to pay the P5 going rate. Not the G5 going rate. Don't get me wrong, you can still pay decent money and end up with a bad coach (see: Tuberville), but having the extra cash without having to get creative and/or beg donors for it, I would imagine is going to be a nice luxury.

(10-31-2022 02:16 PM)corky Wrote:  Any feedback on the scrimmage with Purdue in Indy Saturday ?

Bearcat BB thread, post 58......

(10-31-2022 04:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This year's team is only going to be marginally better than last year's.

Too much same guy syndrome.

I thought Miller was the second coming of Huggins or Jucker?

Until the last of the Brannen guys are no longer counted upon to be the focal points with big deficiencies in their skill sets, we are what we are.

(10-31-2022 05:56 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Until the last of the Brannen guys are no longer counted upon to be the focal points with big deficiencies in their skill sets, we are what we are.

I wax thinking the same thing when going over the roster. For me, it almost makes more sense not to start Davenport at the 4 and try to find the two guys most likely to rebound and play some “D” at the 4 and 5. Pick two out of Kalu, Vik, Ody, Hensley, and Sage that give you the best defense and go with them, DDJ, Nolley, and Newman and try to win with size and length from 2 through 4.

Let Davenport be a heat check shooter off the bench. Get Skillings and Reed some minutes early so they can you later this year and next year.

16 turnovers.

Good lord.

(10-31-2022 04:05 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 03:30 PM)corky Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 03:08 PM)levydl Wrote:  Here's a bit from the local Purdue paper:
https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/co...601809007/

It appears that Purdue's freshman SG is the son of former Huggs assistant John Loyer.

Just read the article.......Didn't look too good for us.

Look for Miller’s seat to get warm if this year’s squad doesn’t show marked improvement. He says all the right things, but it looks like another year with subpar talent.

Lol come on.

Wes will get 5 years. Unfortunately it’s looking like 6 until we have a shot at the tourney.

Well, this thread certainly took a turn to the dark side--appropriate for Halloween I suppose.

I'm amused by the very words "secret scrimmage" since this year's opportunities to get in "practice sessions" with other schools became much more public spectacles.

I have no idea what Wes will put together this season but I'm going to guess it will be an improvement over last year. His two freshman recruits were well regarded and the transfers will have to contribute immediately for that to happen.

There's never any guarantee when hiring from a place such as UNCG, or Akron for that matter. But it's the coaching ladder and some rise on it each season. Having P5 money to flash under coaches' noses is no guarantee either. Ask Indiana or Texas fans who watched a succession of young risers who were given gold-plated contracts and accomplished very little on the big stage. As others here have said, Wes is saying and doing all the right things for our program. And I really don't disagree that it's a results-oriented business and it's reasonable to expect progress this season. I just wouldn't base my opinion on a pair of meaningless scrimmages.

Cincinnati lost to Carleton University in Canada in an exhibition game prior to a season in which they finished ranked in the top 25 and won the AAC Tournament. I'm not sure how much better or worse this year's team will be in Wes' second season but I'm certainly not going to use glorified practices to even begin to make a call one way or the other.

(11-01-2022 08:39 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Cincinnati lost to Carleton University in Canada in an exhibition game prior to a season in which they finished ranked in the top 25 and won the AAC Tournament. I'm not sure how much better or worse this year's team will be in Wes' second season but I'm certainly not going to use glorified practices to even begin to make a call one way or the other.

You can't read too much into a scrimmage with limited details.

The biggest concern from the notes might be that we committed 15 fouls on their two starting big men, including having two players (I assume two of the three of Vik, Davenport and Ezikpe) foul out with 6 fouls. It seems to go along with the rumors that we are not a very good defensive team. Last year Ado and Koval could provide some backup when our guards got beat, this year we might just foul a ton.

I do agree that our roster has a problem with players who lack a complete game. We've got the offense first guys (DDJ, Nolley, Davenport, Ezikpe), the defense first guys (MAW, Newman, Phinisee) and the unproven guys (Vik, Hensley, Ody, Skillings, Reed, Sage), but nobody who is great on both ends. It's going to be a lot of mixing and matching and sacrificing on one end to improve on the other.

Barring a breakout year from a couple of players where they show a lot they haven't shown in the past, it's hard to see us being much better than last year. But we don't have to be too much better to make the NIT or on the NCAA bubble. That's my expectation, at least make the NIT and maybe have some things break right for us and sneak into the NCAA tournament.

C'mon people... Really, this wasn't even real game conditions. I have absolutely zero concerns from the scrimmage. Listening to Wes in his presser he mentions several times that he prefers to scrimmage with coaches he knows so that he can work on situational things not play a structured game which he feels doesn't help when he has a roster he's trying to define. How meaningful could this have really been when at least 3 players had more fouls than they'd get in a "real" game? When did the fouls occur and how would that have impacted rotations and depth? It didn't sound like Purdue played a large # of players and with all of UCs different combos, who knows how much time the regulars played together. I think some are reading way too much into this.

The only 3 things that really caught my attention were Phinisee playing 27 minutes and only scoring 1 point (coaches direction or trying to get others involved) and thut Purdue shot over 30 FTs (although no comparison number was given for UC) and most importantly no significant injuries for the 'Cats, but nothing else seemed even mildly significant or worrisome. Wayyyyy too early and Wes will be fine.