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(10-31-2022 02:49 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 08:20 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 08:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There could be a 3 way tie among teams with 1 conference loss. If UCF or Tulane, UC and Houston all tie I have no idea how tiebreakers would work to pick the top 2.

Houston will lose any 3 way tie breaker with those teams. Uc would host Tulane or go to ucf.

Why do you say that? I read the 3 way tiebreaker scenario as based on previous week CFP rankings or if not ranked then composite computer ranking. You are saying Houston would be lowest computer ranking and get left out?

You nailed it

This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

It's D1 football circle them all.

(10-31-2022 09:46 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

It's D1 football circle them all.

We've won the games we should've and lost ones that we expected - or at least knew it was going to take a complete game to get the win. I don't see anyone else on the schedule except Tulane that we should expect not to win. Obviously, we can crap the bed but the Nip is a pretty good place to defend home court. At Temple? Please.

It’s a toss up between Tulane and ECU, but 9-3 is the final outcome.

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

I'm hoping for the weather to play a part in the outcome of that game. 35 F with wind and rain would be awesome.

(10-31-2022 09:59 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:46 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

It's D1 football circle them all.

We've won the games we should've and lost ones that we expected - or at least knew it was going to take a complete game to get the win. I don't see anyone else on the schedule except Tulane that we should expect not to win. Obviously, we can crap the bed but the Nip is a pretty good place to defend home court. At Temple? Please.

ECU may be better than us right now. Watch out for that one for sure.

(11-01-2022 06:34 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

I'm hoping for the weather to play a part in the outcome of that game. 35 F with wind and rain would be awesome.

Im with you on the cold. As nonexistant as our running game can be, i want perfect passing conditions.

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

I'd say we fall somewhere in that 25 to 40 range. Following a year with 9 draft picks that's a good place for the program to be. Not sure how many remember just how bad that 2010 team was after the Sugar Bowl team.

(10-31-2022 09:59 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:46 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

It's D1 football circle them all.

We've won the games we should've and lost ones that we expected - or at least knew it was going to take a complete game to get the win. I don't see anyone else on the schedule except Tulane that we should expect not to win. Obviously, we can crap the bed but the Nip is a pretty good place to defend home court. At Temple? Please.

Let's not forget, Navy beat ECU, trounced Tulsa 51-21 and only lost by 6 at SMU. This ain't no gimme.

(11-01-2022 01:18 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:59 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:46 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:40 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  This team won’t lose at Nippert.

The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

It's D1 football circle them all.

We've won the games we should've and lost ones that we expected - or at least knew it was going to take a complete game to get the win. I don't see anyone else on the schedule except Tulane that we should expect not to win. Obviously, we can crap the bed but the Nip is a pretty good place to defend home court. At Temple? Please.

Let's not forget, Navy beat ECU, trounced Tulsa 51-21 and only lost by 6 at SMU. This ain't no gimme.

True, but I believe that QB, who could actually pass a little, is done for the season. If UC loses this Saturday, I may join those wishing to push the panic button.

(11-01-2022 01:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

I'd say we fall somewhere in that 25 to 40 range. Following a year with 9 draft picks that's a good place for the program to be. Not sure how many remember just how bad that 2010 team was after the Sugar Bowl team.

Oddly enough, we lost more talent after 2008 than we did after 2009.

2008:
6 draft picks
1 undrafted signee who made an NFL roster
5 players who played in the NFL
2 long NFL careers (Connor Barwin and Kevin Huber)
2 Pro-Bowl players

2009:
3 draft picks
2 undrafted signees who made NFL rosters
5 players who played in the NFL
3 long NFL careers (Ricardo Mathews, Jeff Linkenbach, Mike Windt)
0 Pro-Bowl players
Note - Windt was a long-snapper)

(11-01-2022 01:29 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 01:18 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:59 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:46 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 09:13 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The only game I'm circling is Tulane. They are the real deal and won at Kansas St. Kansas St is pretty damn good.

It's D1 football circle them all.

We've won the games we should've and lost ones that we expected - or at least knew it was going to take a complete game to get the win. I don't see anyone else on the schedule except Tulane that we should expect not to win. Obviously, we can crap the bed but the Nip is a pretty good place to defend home court. At Temple? Please.

Let's not forget, Navy beat ECU, trounced Tulsa 51-21 and only lost by 6 at SMU. This ain't no gimme.

True, but I believe that QB, who could actually pass a little, is done for the season. If UC loses this Saturday, I may join those wishing to push the panic button.

Their backup, Xavier Arline, who took over the game after their starter went down to injury, attempted 1 pass last week against Temple. He is now 0/4 on pass attempts this season. He went 7/18 all of last year. He can run the football, but is a smallish back at 5'9 176 pounds.

(11-02-2022 11:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 01:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

I'd say we fall somewhere in that 25 to 40 range. Following a year with 9 draft picks that's a good place for the program to be. Not sure how many remember just how bad that 2010 team was after the Sugar Bowl team.

2008:
6 draft picks
1 undrafted signee who made an NFL roster
5 players who played in the NFL
2 long NFL careers (Connor Barwin and Kevin Huber)
2 Pro-Bowl players

2009:
3 draft picks
2 undrafted signees who made NFL rosters
5 players who played in the NFL
3 long NFL careers (Ricardo Mathews, Jeff Linkenbach, Mike Windt)
0 Pro-Bowl players
Note - Windt was a long-snapper)

There was some youth on that 2009 team, particularly the guys who eventually went on to have good careers and/or played in the NFL for at least a cup of coffee (or more):

Zach Collaros (So)
Isaiah Pead (So)
George Winn (Fr)
Armon Binns (Jr)
DJ Woods (So)
Marcus Barnett (Jr)
Jason Kelce (Jr)
Travis Kelce (Fr)
Adrien Robinson (So)
Ben Guidugli (Jr)
John Hughes (So)
JK Shaffer (So)
Derek Wolfe (So)


Now you see why the pieces were in place for the 2011 and 2012 teams to do so well.

(11-02-2022 12:25 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 11:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 01:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

I'd say we fall somewhere in that 25 to 40 range. Following a year with 9 draft picks that's a good place for the program to be. Not sure how many remember just how bad that 2010 team was after the Sugar Bowl team.

2008:
6 draft picks
1 undrafted signee who made an NFL roster
5 players who played in the NFL
2 long NFL careers (Connor Barwin and Kevin Huber)
2 Pro-Bowl players

2009:
3 draft picks
2 undrafted signees who made NFL rosters
5 players who played in the NFL
3 long NFL careers (Ricardo Mathews, Jeff Linkenbach, Mike Windt)
0 Pro-Bowl players
Note - Windt was a long-snapper)

There was some youth on that 2009 team, particularly the guys who eventually went on to have good careers and/or played in the NFL for at least a cup of coffee (or more):

Zach Collaros (So)
Isaiah Pead (So)
George Winn (Fr)
Armon Binns (Jr)
DJ Woods (So)
Marcus Barnett (Jr)
Jason Kelce (Jr)
Travis Kelce (Fr)
Adrien Robinson (So)
Ben Guidugli (Jr)
John Hughes (So)
JK Shaffer (So)
Derek Wolfe (So)


Now you see why the pieces were in place for the 2011 and 2012 teams to do so well.

The 2010 had some dudes on it. It's still crazy to me how bad they were. That and 2004 are for me the two biggest underachieving Bearcat teams of the 21st century. Both had new coaches, so in a way it makes sense. I remember some player parents talking about Butch losing the team in 2010.

The 2004 senior class was an absurdly talented senior class. But the changes in style on both sides of the ball were really significant and detrimental (at the time not long term). That team should have been significantly better, though it mostly righted the ship halfway through the season to finish strong (other than the most embarrassing UC game of all time at Louisville).

(11-02-2022 01:06 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 12:25 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 11:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 01:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

I'd say we fall somewhere in that 25 to 40 range. Following a year with 9 draft picks that's a good place for the program to be. Not sure how many remember just how bad that 2010 team was after the Sugar Bowl team.

2008:
6 draft picks
1 undrafted signee who made an NFL roster
5 players who played in the NFL
2 long NFL careers (Connor Barwin and Kevin Huber)
2 Pro-Bowl players

2009:
3 draft picks
2 undrafted signees who made NFL rosters
5 players who played in the NFL
3 long NFL careers (Ricardo Mathews, Jeff Linkenbach, Mike Windt)
0 Pro-Bowl players
Note - Windt was a long-snapper)

There was some youth on that 2009 team, particularly the guys who eventually went on to have good careers and/or played in the NFL for at least a cup of coffee (or more):

Zach Collaros (So)
Isaiah Pead (So)
George Winn (Fr)
Armon Binns (Jr)
DJ Woods (So)
Marcus Barnett (Jr)
Jason Kelce (Jr)
Travis Kelce (Fr)
Adrien Robinson (So)
Ben Guidugli (Jr)
John Hughes (So)
JK Shaffer (So)
Derek Wolfe (So)


Now you see why the pieces were in place for the 2011 and 2012 teams to do so well.

The 2010 had some dudes on it. It's still crazy to me how bad they were. That and 2004 are for me the two biggest underachieving Bearcat teams of the 21st century. Both had new coaches, so in a way it makes sense. I remember some player parents talking about Butch losing the team in 2010.

The 2004 senior class was an absurdly talented senior class. But the changes in style on both sides of the ball were really significant and detrimental (at the time not long term). That team should have been significantly better, though it mostly righted the ship halfway through the season to finish strong (other than the most embarrassing UC game of all time at Louisville).

Yeah, the most egregious loss in 2004 in my mind was against a 2-9 Army team. Army just flat out whipped our butt and this was a time when Army was in a really bad spot. it was evident joining CUSA was a mistake (they did not win a game the year before and won only one game the year before that).

I have heard the same thing about the 2010 not buying in to the CBJ system. I remember being so pumped for that season, Vidal Hazelton had transferred in from USC and with Pead, Binns, Collaros, etc. I figured the Bearcats would be an offensive juggernaut. Hazelton went down in the first game early in the first quarter and was out for the remainder of the season. Zach played most of the season hurt and even later missed a few games. There were a couple bright spots on defense but there was no depth and holes in certain spots.

(11-02-2022 01:06 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 12:25 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 11:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 01:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

I'd say we fall somewhere in that 25 to 40 range. Following a year with 9 draft picks that's a good place for the program to be. Not sure how many remember just how bad that 2010 team was after the Sugar Bowl team.

2008:
6 draft picks
1 undrafted signee who made an NFL roster
5 players who played in the NFL
2 long NFL careers (Connor Barwin and Kevin Huber)
2 Pro-Bowl players

2009:
3 draft picks
2 undrafted signees who made NFL rosters
5 players who played in the NFL
3 long NFL careers (Ricardo Mathews, Jeff Linkenbach, Mike Windt)
0 Pro-Bowl players
Note - Windt was a long-snapper)

There was some youth on that 2009 team, particularly the guys who eventually went on to have good careers and/or played in the NFL for at least a cup of coffee (or more):

Zach Collaros (So)
Isaiah Pead (So)
George Winn (Fr)
Armon Binns (Jr)
DJ Woods (So)
Marcus Barnett (Jr)
Jason Kelce (Jr)
Travis Kelce (Fr)
Adrien Robinson (So)
Ben Guidugli (Jr)
John Hughes (So)
JK Shaffer (So)
Derek Wolfe (So)


Now you see why the pieces were in place for the 2011 and 2012 teams to do so well.

The 2010 had some dudes on it. It's still crazy to me how bad they were. That and 2004 are for me the two biggest underachieving Bearcat teams of the 21st century. Both had new coaches, so in a way it makes sense. I remember some player parents talking about Butch losing the team in 2010.

The 2004 senior class was an absurdly talented senior class. But the changes in style on both sides of the ball were really significant and detrimental (at the time not long term). That team should have been significantly better, though it mostly righted the ship halfway through the season to finish strong (other than the most embarrassing UC game of all time at Louisville).

Yeah, 2010 was the weird one for me. How was the 2010 team so bad?

They didn't lose a whole lot from 2009 really.

At QB, Pike was great in '09 but Collaros was a more than adequate replacement. And Zollaros wasn't new - he had 1,434 yards passing in 2009.

We returned most of our RBs - Pead & Collaros were our 1st and 3rd leading rushers in 2009, and #4 was actually Freshman Travis Kelce (operating out of the wildcat).

We returned 5 of our 6 leading receivers (everyone except Mardy).

We returned 3 of the 5 OL and the starting TE.

The defense lost a few guys, but returned 10 of our 20 leading tacklers, including 4 of the top 6 (JK Schaffer, Drew Frey, Dominique Battle, and Walter Stewart).

(11-02-2022 01:06 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 12:25 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 11:56 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 01:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  This is just an "average" team.

I think we lose both the ECU and the Tulane games.

I'd say we fall somewhere in that 25 to 40 range. Following a year with 9 draft picks that's a good place for the program to be. Not sure how many remember just how bad that 2010 team was after the Sugar Bowl team.

That 2004 team has also the 2nd most disgusting loss on its resume. The loss to Army which was their first win in 20 games.
2008:
6 draft picks
1 undrafted signee who made an NFL roster
5 players who played in the NFL
2 long NFL careers (Connor Barwin and Kevin Huber)
2 Pro-Bowl players

2009:
3 draft picks
2 undrafted signees who made NFL rosters
5 players who played in the NFL
3 long NFL careers (Ricardo Mathews, Jeff Linkenbach, Mike Windt)
0 Pro-Bowl players
Note - Windt was a long-snapper)

There was some youth on that 2009 team, particularly the guys who eventually went on to have good careers and/or played in the NFL for at least a cup of coffee (or more):

Zach Collaros (So)
Isaiah Pead (So)
George Winn (Fr)
Armon Binns (Jr)
DJ Woods (So)
Marcus Barnett (Jr)
Jason Kelce (Jr)
Travis Kelce (Fr)
Adrien Robinson (So)
Ben Guidugli (Jr)
John Hughes (So)
JK Shaffer (So)
Derek Wolfe (So)


Now you see why the pieces were in place for the 2011 and 2012 teams to do so well.

The 2010 had some dudes on it. It's still crazy to me how bad they were. That and 2004 are for me the two biggest underachieving Bearcat teams of the 21st century. Both had new coaches, so in a way it makes sense. I remember some player parents talking about Butch losing the team in 2010.

The 2004 senior class was an absurdly talented senior class. But the changes in style on both sides of the ball were really significant and detrimental (at the time not long term). That team should have been significantly better, though it mostly righted the ship halfway through the season to finish strong (other than the most embarrassing UC game of all time at Louisville).