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(10-16-2022 08:26 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 12:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 01:50 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  And let's be honest here: Trump/MAGA's popularity doesn't come from economic issues.

It's driven largely by white, Christian grievance baked into cultural and social ("woke") wars. Trump and his mini-me's hate the same people they do. It's about turning back the clock to 1950s mores.

And guns guns guns.

Gas and food prices, while admittedly not in a good place right now, is low on their list of importance.

According to recent polls, the economy is the #1 issue among voters. Republican voters(Trump's Party at this point) the issues are #1 the Economy and #2 Second Amendment Rights. Abortion comes up as about the 7th issue of importance.

Sure, it's what they'll tell pollsters, publicly. It's certainly the #1 challenge dogging Biden right now.

But watch the Trump rallies, CPAC speeches, right-wing social media... It's not economic stuff that fuels MAGA's engines.

The "MAGA's" are like 5-10% of republican voters. It's the other 95% of everyday people who care about the economic stuff. Media likes to sensationalize the fringe minorities on both sides. They don't get viewers or clicks reporting on normal people.

Democrats and the liberal media waste too much time discussing what Trump did in the past versus reporting current issues. Our economy is disaster right now which will be the main campaign issue during our next election.

(10-16-2022 10:26 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Democrats and the liberal media waste too much time discussing what Trump did in the past versus reporting current issues. Our economy is disaster right now which will be the main campaign issue during our next election.

Trump is not "the past" (unfortunately). He's the de facto leader of the current GOP and has millions of obsessed followers, and is the likely POTUS candidate in 2024.

GOP politicians must run in lockstep to Trumpism or get primaried out of office. So the vast majority of Republicans on the ballot in November are open election deniers. That includes MI's candidates for Gov, SOS and AG.

https://twitter.com/danielle_ivory/statu...3199040514

(10-16-2022 10:20 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 08:26 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 12:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 01:50 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  And let's be honest here: Trump/MAGA's popularity doesn't come from economic issues.

It's driven largely by white, Christian grievance baked into cultural and social ("woke") wars. Trump and his mini-me's hate the same people they do. It's about turning back the clock to 1950s mores.

And guns guns guns.

Gas and food prices, while admittedly not in a good place right now, is low on their list of importance.

According to recent polls, the economy is the #1 issue among voters. Republican voters(Trump's Party at this point) the issues are #1 the Economy and #2 Second Amendment Rights. Abortion comes up as about the 7th issue of importance.

Sure, it's what they'll tell pollsters, publicly. It's certainly the #1 challenge dogging Biden right now.

But watch the Trump rallies, CPAC speeches, right-wing social media... It's not economic stuff that fuels MAGA's engines.

The "MAGA's" are like 5-10% of republican voters. It's the other 95% of everyday people who care about the economic stuff. Media likes to sensationalize the fringe minorities on both sides. They don't get viewers or clicks reporting on normal people.

Wrong. Trump rules that party. Anyone who dares question the election lie is out. Big reason? His hold over the voters and ability to primary someone who doesn't go along with him.

That would mean much more than 5-10% of republican voters. That's a laughable, disingenuous statement. Which seems to be the norm for you here, why?

(10-16-2022 10:40 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 10:26 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Democrats and the liberal media waste too much time discussing what Trump did in the past versus reporting current issues. Our economy is disaster right now which will be the main campaign issue during our next election.

Trump is not "the past" (unfortunately). He's the de facto leader of the current GOP and has millions of obsessed followers, and is the likely POTUS candidate in 2024.

GOP politicians must run in lockstep to Trumpism or get primaried out of office. So the vast majority of Republicans on the ballot in November are open election deniers. That includes MI's candidates for Gov, SOS and AG.

https://twitter.com/danielle_ivory/statu...3199040514

Precisely.

Nothing "In the past" or people obsessing about Trump when he's in our grill, threatening to run everyday, attempting to put local politicians in swing states so that they can succeed in their attempts to influence elections, and making sure that big lie people are the large majority of the GOP, which really is now the MAGA-GOP.

(10-16-2022 10:20 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 08:26 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 12:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 01:50 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  And let's be honest here: Trump/MAGA's popularity doesn't come from economic issues.

It's driven largely by white, Christian grievance baked into cultural and social ("woke") wars. Trump and his mini-me's hate the same people they do. It's about turning back the clock to 1950s mores.

And guns guns guns.

Gas and food prices, while admittedly not in a good place right now, is low on their list of importance.

According to recent polls, the economy is the #1 issue among voters. Republican voters(Trump's Party at this point) the issues are #1 the Economy and #2 Second Amendment Rights. Abortion comes up as about the 7th issue of importance.

Sure, it's what they'll tell pollsters, publicly. It's certainly the #1 challenge dogging Biden right now.

But watch the Trump rallies, CPAC speeches, right-wing social media... It's not economic stuff that fuels MAGA's engines.

The "MAGA's" are like 5-10% of republican voters. It's the other 95% of everyday people who care about the economic stuff. Media likes to sensationalize the fringe minorities on both sides. They don't get viewers or clicks reporting on normal people.

Peter Meijer doesn't believe you.

(10-16-2022 10:20 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  The "MAGA's" are like 5-10% of republican voters. It's the other 95% of everyday people who care about the economic stuff. Media likes to sensationalize the fringe minorities on both sides. They don't get viewers or clicks reporting on normal people.

If someone believes our entire democratic process was nefariously compromised and the POTUS election was literally stolen, without proof, that's "fringe." And that's the majority of Republican voters and political candidates, not just 5-10%. That, coupled with 1/6, is one of the most significant domestic news stories in our history.

I don't mean to downplay inflation and economic hard-times. But IMO, the far-right radicalization of a major political party is an even uglier and more long term issue at hand.

Intangibly, its by-product has produced a meaner, more unempathetic and aggressive society. Especially toward marginalized groups. And we've got guys like Tucker Carlson openly rooting for authoritarian Putin, fer chrissakes.

(10-16-2022 10:20 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 08:26 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 12:29 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 01:50 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  And let's be honest here: Trump/MAGA's popularity doesn't come from economic issues.

It's driven largely by white, Christian grievance baked into cultural and social ("woke") wars. Trump and his mini-me's hate the same people they do. It's about turning back the clock to 1950s mores.

And guns guns guns.

Gas and food prices, while admittedly not in a good place right now, is low on their list of importance.

According to recent polls, the economy is the #1 issue among voters. Republican voters(Trump's Party at this point) the issues are #1 the Economy and #2 Second Amendment Rights. Abortion comes up as about the 7th issue of importance.

Sure, it's what they'll tell pollsters, publicly. It's certainly the #1 challenge dogging Biden right now.

But watch the Trump rallies, CPAC speeches, right-wing social media... It's not economic stuff that fuels MAGA's engines.

The "MAGA's" are like 5-10% of republican voters. It's the other 95% of everyday people who care about the economic stuff. Media likes to sensationalize the fringe minorities on both sides. They don't get viewers or clicks reporting on normal people.

Keep telling yourself that. The latest polls for 2024 are:

Trump 52.4%
DeSantis 24.4%
Pence 8.7%
Trump Jr 5%
Cheney 2.8%
Haley 2.5%
Romney 2.3%
Cruz 2.2%
Tucker Carlson 2.1%
Graham 2%

The only non-MAGA's on the list are Liz Cheney & Mitt Romney. That represents 5% of GOP voters.

I might give you Mike Pence being a non-MAGA since Trump tried to get him killed on January 6th. But, I'm sure Pence would still vote for Trump if he gets the GOP nomination.

I hope Cruz sleeps well at night, selling his soul to get a 2.2% in a straw poll, lol.

He was once more reasonable pre-Trump, relatively speaking. But the MAGA kool-aid drew him in. Even insults hurled toward his wife and late father didn't sway him.

(10-16-2022 04:22 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 10:20 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  The "MAGA's" are like 5-10% of republican voters. It's the other 95% of everyday people who care about the economic stuff. Media likes to sensationalize the fringe minorities on both sides. They don't get viewers or clicks reporting on normal people.

If someone believes our entire democratic process was nefariously compromised and the POTUS election was literally stolen, without proof, that's "fringe." And that's the majority of Republican voters and political candidates, not just 5-10%. That, coupled with 1/6, is one of the most significant domestic news stories in our history.

I don't mean to downplay inflation and economic hard-times. But IMO, the far-right radicalization of a major political party is an even uglier and more long term issue at hand.

Intangibly, its by-product has produced a meaner, more unempathetic and aggressive society. Especially toward marginalized groups. And we've got guys like Tucker Carlson openly rooting for authoritarian Putin, fer chrissakes.

Tucker is revered on Russian State TV with his Putin, pro Russia, anti support for anything democracy, takes.

He also openly fawned over Orban if you remember. It's blatant. Many more high level MAGA-GOP types haven't hid their love of authoritarian rulers, eight spent a recent 4th of July in Russia visiting Putin and his leadership.

That's a "Patriotic way" to spend the 4th, huh?

(10-16-2022 04:22 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(10-16-2022 10:20 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  The "MAGA's" are like 5-10% of republican voters. It's the other 95% of everyday people who care about the economic stuff. Media likes to sensationalize the fringe minorities on both sides. They don't get viewers or clicks reporting on normal people.

If someone believes our entire democratic process was nefariously compromised and the POTUS election was literally stolen, without proof, that's "fringe." And that's the majority of Republican voters and political candidates, not just 5-10%. That, coupled with 1/6, is one of the most significant domestic news stories in our history.

I don't mean to downplay inflation and economic hard-times. But IMO, the far-right radicalization of a major political party is an even uglier and more long term issue at hand.

Intangibly, its by-product has produced a meaner, more unempathetic and aggressive society. Especially toward marginalized groups. And we've got guys like Tucker Carlson openly rooting for authoritarian Putin, fer chrissakes.

If authoritarianism wins (Fascism, let's be real), there's no fathoming how bad it will get. Imagine a nut job like Trump with no oversight, checks and balances. Crazy as it got at the end, would be NOTHING.

Nothing would be safe going forward, the state would decide who wins and loses. The "losing" wouldn't be pretty. Think your savings, investments, careers, pensions and lifestyle will withstand that kind of unchecked greed and power? Think again. The current "problems" that they're trying to push as crucial wouldn't be in the top ten of our list.

Jesus Effing Christ. I just visited the Spin Room on a whim, the first time in like a decade, and holy hell are there a lot of incredibly stupid people out there. I can't even wrap my head around all the inane stupidity they are spewing.

(10-17-2022 01:44 PM)moe24 Wrote:  Jesus Effing Christ. I just visited the Spin Room on a whim, the first time in like a decade, and holy hell are there a lot of incredibly stupid people out there. I can't even wrap my head around all the inane stupidity they are spewing.

Oof, big mistake. That place is cesspool. I used to browse it out of morbid curiosity, but it got to be too much. The blatant misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and even outright fascism was just exhausting.

It's one of those dark corners of the internet where a handful of weirdos can hang out and jerk each other off in their political echo-chamber. Conspiracy theories abound, they all think they're special snowflakes that know the real truth about everything.

(10-17-2022 02:12 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(10-17-2022 01:44 PM)moe24 Wrote:  Jesus Effing Christ. I just visited the Spin Room on a whim, the first time in like a decade, and holy hell are there a lot of incredibly stupid people out there. I can't even wrap my head around all the inane stupidity they are spewing.

Oof, big mistake. That place is cesspool. I used to browse it out of morbid curiosity, but it got to be too much. The blatant misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and even outright fascism was just exhausting.

It's one of those dark corners of the internet where a handful of weirdos can hang out and jerk each other off in their political echo-chamber. Conspiracy theories abound, they all think they're special snowflakes that know the real truth about everything.

Definitely not a mistake I will repeat.

Yup, I also occasionally participated in the Spin Room until it went full MAGA.

It was like witnessing a microcosm of society. Somewhere around 6-7 years ago, the filters come off and any visage of moderate reason went out the window.

They're beyond stupid, the hatred, racism, disregard of facts, and ignorance is FLIPPING SCARY.

(10-17-2022 03:41 PM)ktotten Wrote:  They're beyond stupid, the hatred, racism, disregard of facts, and ignorance is FLIPPING SCARY.

Every single post had the same SOP.

-Post something colossally stupid.
-Act like it's some long lost exclusive truth no one else knows about.
-Attack the left for it.
-Ridicule anyone who dares bring facts to the table.
-Bury head in the sand acting like everyone with facts is an idiot when you're made up nonsense is gospel.
-Rinse, repeat.

(10-17-2022 04:01 PM)moe24 Wrote:  

(10-17-2022 03:41 PM)ktotten Wrote:  They're beyond stupid, the hatred, racism, disregard of facts, and ignorance is FLIPPING SCARY.

Every single post had the same SOP.

-Post something colossally stupid.
-Act like it's some long lost exclusive truth no one else knows about.
-Attack the left for it.
-Ridicule anyone who dares bring facts to the table.
-Bury head in the sand acting like everyone with facts is an idiot when you're made up nonsense is gospel.
-Rinse, repeat.

They've elected many high level state and federal government officials including a POTUS with that M.O.

(10-17-2022 04:01 PM)moe24 Wrote:  

(10-17-2022 03:41 PM)ktotten Wrote:  They're beyond stupid, the hatred, racism, disregard of facts, and ignorance is FLIPPING SCARY.

Every single post had the same SOP.

-Post something colossally stupid.
-Act like it's some long lost exclusive truth no one else knows about.
-Attack the left for it.
-Ridicule anyone who dares bring facts to the table.
-Bury head in the sand acting like everyone with facts is an idiot when you're made up nonsense is gospel.
-Rinse, repeat.

Wonder where they got that from...

You know, that whole thing where you just say something over and over again no matter how stupid it is until people start believing it. You can make up literally anything, but as long as you say it with enough conviction and stick to your story, the dum-dums will treat it as gospel.