(07-13-2022 07:19 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  All seemingly true as usual from you Navy. And true that the AAC still has some power to swing stuff like this, for now. I think SMU, Navy and apparently Tulane still have the vig to get a blueblood at home once in a while.

But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Rice has also leveraged its attractive recruiting location to get home games worthy of national television. On the books are home games with Army, Northwestern and Boise State, and the Coogs are saying once their Big 12 schedule is determined they will be extending the annual Bayou Bucket game through 2029. We lost BYU to the Big 12 backfill, and LSU to Covid in 2020.

I’ll let the others list out their OOC schedules, but I think SSJ is correct that at least for now many AAC programs are able to attract tv-friendly OOC opponents at home.

(07-13-2022 07:50 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:19 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  All seemingly true as usual from you Navy. And true that the AAC still has some power to swing stuff like this, for now. I think SMU, Navy and apparently Tulane still have the vig to get a blueblood at home once in a while.

But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Rice has also leveraged its attractive recruiting location to get home games worthy of national television. On the books are home games with Army, Northwestern and Boise State, and the Coogs are saying once their Big 12 schedule is determined they will be extending the annual Bayou Bucket game through 2029. We lost BYU to the Big 12 backfill, and LSU to Covid in 2020.

I’ll let the others list out their OOC schedules, but I think SSJ is correct that at least for now many AAC programs are able to attract tv-friendly OOC opponents at home.

Rice has a good pull, but all of those games are several levels below pulling Oklahoma.

Those aren't going to be primetime network games, but they will be great games

(07-08-2022 09:45 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 09:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 11:28 AM)UTSA_Alum Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 11:17 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  After reading the G5 mailbag in the Athletic I decided to compile the numbers based on stratification Vannini used. It seems we are in good shape because perception is reality. While the MWC has Boise, we both have 4 teams in the top 2 tiers and despite having 2 more members we have 1 fewer mediocre program than them and 3 fewer than the SBC.

MWC 1 elite (Boise), 3 very good, 5 good, 3 mediocre
AAC 0 elite, 4 very good, 8 good, 2 mediocre
SBC 0 elite, 3 very good, 5 good, 5 mediocre, 1 FCS (James Madison)
MAC 0 elite, 1 very good, 9 good, 2 mediocre
CUSA 0 elite, 0 very good, 4 good, 3 mediocre + 2 FCS (SHSU + JSU)

Are we doing guess who the mediocre teams are? Who are Rice and Tulane for $100.

AAC mediocre: the CUSA 6

Exactly, these schools are going to learn the hard way this isn’t C-USA. Easy wins like UTEP, USM, FIU will be few and very far between.

Last time I checked, UTSA is still undefeated against Tulane...

(07-13-2022 07:51 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:50 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:19 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  All seemingly true as usual from you Navy. And true that the AAC still has some power to swing stuff like this, for now. I think SMU, Navy and apparently Tulane still have the vig to get a blueblood at home once in a while.

But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Rice has also leveraged its attractive recruiting location to get home games worthy of national television. On the books are home games with Army, Northwestern and Boise State, and the Coogs are saying once their Big 12 schedule is determined they will be extending the annual Bayou Bucket game through 2029. We lost BYU to the Big 12 backfill, and LSU to Covid in 2020.

I’ll let the others list out their OOC schedules, but I think SSJ is correct that at least for now many AAC programs are able to attract tv-friendly OOC opponents at home.

Rice has a good pull, but all of those games are several levels below pulling Oklahoma.

Those aren't going to be primetime network games, but they will be great games

Most high profile Rice home game for each of the last few years.

2021 Houston
2020 LSU (Covid cancel)
2019 Texas
2018 Houston
2017 Stanford (moved to Sydney, Australia)
2016 Baylor

Doesn't look too bad to me.

(07-13-2022 09:18 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:51 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:50 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:19 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  All seemingly true as usual from you Navy. And true that the AAC still has some power to swing stuff like this, for now. I think SMU, Navy and apparently Tulane still have the vig to get a blueblood at home once in a while.

But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Rice has also leveraged its attractive recruiting location to get home games worthy of national television. On the books are home games with Army, Northwestern and Boise State, and the Coogs are saying once their Big 12 schedule is determined they will be extending the annual Bayou Bucket game through 2029. We lost BYU to the Big 12 backfill, and LSU to Covid in 2020.

I’ll let the others list out their OOC schedules, but I think SSJ is correct that at least for now many AAC programs are able to attract tv-friendly OOC opponents at home.

Rice has a good pull, but all of those games are several levels below pulling Oklahoma.

Those aren't going to be primetime network games, but they will be great games

Most high profile Rice home game for each of the last few years.

2021 Houston
2020 LSU (Covid cancel)
2019 Texas
2018 Houston
2017 Stanford (moved to Sydney, Australia)
2016 Baylor

Doesn't look too bad to me.

Bit of a drought coming up unless you get to it. Next decent home opponent is Northwestern in 2029 unless you count Houston.

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  This is worth drilling down a little more.

In 2021, Tulane had eight nationally televised games.
Seven of those eight were on the AAC media deal.
Of those seven, three on ESPNU don't have reported viewers.
In four AAC games with reported viewers, Tulane had 3,962,000 viewers. That's 15% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so Tulane is pulling their weight.
....

(Some Sun Belt fans will come on here and saying those home ooc games don't matter, so I'll get ahead of that by saying those Sun Belt fans - or others saying that - are ignorant).

Funny you go for that OOC slant, because Tulane would have contributed a very small amount of viewers toward that 2.53 million-viewer game against Oklahoma, and we both know that.

Otherwise, Tulane only has 1,436,000 viewers through three games against the AAC's top teams in 2021 (Cincy, Houston, SMU), which is pretty average G5.

In previous years, Tulane has pulled very little weight regarding viewership.

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Louisiana does edge ahead of Tulane when viewers are added for other conference's inventory -- Louisiana's body bag / paycheck game at Texas was a big number.

Louisiana didn't just edge Tulane in viewers when accounting for OOC... it wasn't even close. The difference was 1.10 million viewers. That's not an edge. The difference would actually be greater at 2.17 million viewers, if we count Louisiana's bowl game.

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  The difference is that Tulane has the juice to get a home and home with Oklahoma...

It wasn't a home-and-home. It was a 2-for-1 series. Big difference in many ways.

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  (Some Sun Belt fans will come on here and saying those home ooc games don't matter, so I'll get ahead of that by saying those Sun Belt fans - or others saying that - are ignorant. In addition to the AAC vs AAC inventory we're selling Notre Dame at Navy every other year, and that Oklahoma game, and Florida at USF, and, and, and)
Troy? One Nielsen rated game - at Coastal got 290,000 viewers.

You've also only accounted for one season... a small sample size. You haven't gone back further than 2020 in your data.
In previous seasons, Troy has had more viewership than Tulane:

2019
Total viewership
Troy - 448K
Tulane - 3.73 million

2018
Total viewership
Troy - 1.94 million
Tulane - 1.12 million

2017
Total viewership
Troy - 2.74 million
Tulane - 284K

2016
Total viewership
Troy - 3.08 million
Tulane - 254K

(07-13-2022 07:27 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:38 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 02:28 PM)owlumni Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 02:02 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  LOL. Tulane had 1/3 of their games on ESPN+ last season, and Troy averages about 7,000 more per game than Tulane.
So would you like to try that again?

You try to talk big for a fan of a school that, again, has absolutely nothing to show for.

Tulane wasn't elite in CUSA. They aren't elite in the AAC. They're fodder that has reached its pinnacle.

CBT: Tulane only had 8 nationally televised games last season!
*checks notes* Troy only had 2.

What a weird flex.

This is worth drilling down a little more.

In 2021, Tulane had eight nationally televised games.
Seven of those eight were on the AAC media deal.
Of those seven, three on ESPNU don't have reported viewers.
In four AAC games with reported viewers, Tulane had 3,962,000 viewers. That's 15% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so Tulane is pulling their weight.
Also -- that's about 67.9% of the entire Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewership. No Sun Belt school had as many conference-controlled-inventory viewers as Tulane did in 2021. None.
Louisiana does edge ahead of Tulane when viewers are added for other conference's inventory -- Louisiana's body bag / paycheck game at Texas was a big number. The difference is that Tulane has the juice to get a home and home with Oklahoma, so the AAC gets money for selling that to Disney. (Some Sun Belt fans will come on here and saying those home ooc games don't matter, so I'll get ahead of that by saying those Sun Belt fans - or others saying that - are ignorant. In addition to the AAC vs AAC inventory we're selling Notre Dame at Navy every other year, and that Oklahoma game, and Florida at USF, and, and, and)
Troy? One Nielsen rated game - at Coastal got 290,000 viewers.

In 2020, I have Tulane with seven Nielsen rated games.
Six of the seven were in the AAC deal, involving 3,646,000 viewers. 17% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so pulling their weight.
The seventh? Tulane at South Alabama on ESPN2 got 516,000 viewers. Tulane was the seventh best of nineteen Sun Belt Nielsen rated games. Eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt games have viewer numbers, and only four of eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt were better than Sun Belt vs Tulane. Tulane had three times as many Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewers as Troy did.

Thank you. Points for you.

For years I have tried to explain the importance of signing home and home OOC games with quality P5 programs, because the rights to those home games fall into conference media packages. I tried to explain to posters on the C-USA board how signing on for body-bag games at P5 programs is a terrible path, but most either didn't want to hear it or just ignored the subject. Not surprisingly, those programs that are continuing to whore out their programs in P5 money games are the same programs that got left in C-USA or moved to the Sun Belt.

There are some Sun Belt trolls around this board that fail to understand how their body-bag scheduling philosophy will continue to hurt the the Sun Belt and keep them behind the AAC. Of course there are other factors that will also keep the Sun Belt behind the AAC.

its much harder to schedule H/H or even buy games with P5s when you have a competitive program and don't offer a marquee place to showcase for recruits. Our AD has spoken on this many times. Any mid level and lower P5 school that isn't located within the Carolinas has straight up declined to play us. The only ones we can get to play us are local (which is great) or the upper echelon SEC/B1G teams who are the least likely to agree to a home and home.

The trials of success.

ballantyneapp does have a decent point here: for scheduling it takes two to tango. "Schedule some home games with big names" is about as useful as "if you don't like how the committee treats the AAC champ, you should just join a 'P5' conference."

And yes, success does negatively influence bigger names' willingness to schedule. An increasing difficulty in scheduling was among the reasons Navy pulled the trigger on joining the Big East in 2011-12.

But sounds like the App AD also highlighted that it isn't solely the W-L aspect...that "marquee place to showcase for recruits" is a factor of the much-maligned-by-Sun-Belt-fans markets. Playing in an NFL stadium benefits USF and Temple just like it does UNLV (check out UNLV's home and homes). Playing in Tampa benefits USF and playing in Houston benefits Rice and playing in the Metroplex benefits UNT/SMU because the opposing coaches want to sit in the living room and tell Momma she can come see sonny-boy play right down the road.

Quote:
But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Okay, you want to boresight in on Tulane, no I don't see Oklahoma on their schedule again. But the next media deal won't be about a single school. The point is, when you look at the conference as a whole -- at least the legacy eight -- is it ISN'T "once in a lifetime."

Copied over from me posting in a SunBelt board thread:

Quote:Here's some of what we're giving Disney in the AAC media deal in the next handful of years:
Notre Dame at Navy every other year
NC State, West Virginia, Wake, BYU at ECU
TCU, Vanderbilt, Colorado at SMU
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas at Tulsa
Alabama, Louisville, NC State, Miami and Notre Dame at USF
Mississippi, Kansas State, Northwestern, Duke, Iowa State at Tulane
Rutgers, Miami, Oklahoma, Penn State, Duke at Temple
Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State at Memphis
Even if Disney starts to dislike our conference matchups, these games against contract-bowl-conference teams will take those better slots and deliver viewers. Some don't believe that matters, but there is a reason that the ND at Navy game every other year and one conference game at NMCMS were held out of the "Navy tier" the AAC sold to CBSSN - ABC/ESPN doesn't care that most of the 2 million watching ND-Navy are Irish fans...the check goes to the AAC.

I see four to five blueblood schools playing at four different AAC programs on that list . Two of those bluebloods at more than one AAC program.

Not as good an outlook for the incoming teams. No true powerhouses, but home games against contract-bowl-conference teams:
UNC and Mississippi at Charlotte
Missouri at FAU (looks like a 2 for 1)
Cal, TxTech, Baylor at UNT
Houston, Northwestern at Rice
none at UAB with schedule filled through 2025, room from 2026 on
none at UTSA with schedule filled through 2024, room from 2025 on

There are also occasional Boise, Army, Air Force and the like for the newbies - those will get you ESPN2/ESPNU rather than the Plus. But those aren't really a differentiator between AAC and the other four non-contract-bowl conferences.

If I remember correctly App had a home-and-home with Miami, but COVID / ACC cost App their end? Great job getting that, bummer if it doesn't get rescheduled. Looking at fbschedules-dot-com for all fourteen Sun Belt schools, I see a dozen or so home games against contract-bowl-conferences all told? Virginia, Virginia Tech, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State, UNC & Iowa State added in edit. The mwc gets some home-and-homes against PAC12, but I'd still say the AAC has a big advantage over them as well.

(07-13-2022 10:31 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:27 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:38 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 02:28 PM)owlumni Wrote:  CBT: Tulane only had 8 nationally televised games last season!
*checks notes* Troy only had 2.

What a weird flex.

This is worth drilling down a little more.

In 2021, Tulane had eight nationally televised games.
Seven of those eight were on the AAC media deal.
Of those seven, three on ESPNU don't have reported viewers.
In four AAC games with reported viewers, Tulane had 3,962,000 viewers. That's 15% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so Tulane is pulling their weight.
Also -- that's about 67.9% of the entire Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewership. No Sun Belt school had as many conference-controlled-inventory viewers as Tulane did in 2021. None.
Louisiana does edge ahead of Tulane when viewers are added for other conference's inventory -- Louisiana's body bag / paycheck game at Texas was a big number. The difference is that Tulane has the juice to get a home and home with Oklahoma, so the AAC gets money for selling that to Disney. (Some Sun Belt fans will come on here and saying those home ooc games don't matter, so I'll get ahead of that by saying those Sun Belt fans - or others saying that - are ignorant. In addition to the AAC vs AAC inventory we're selling Notre Dame at Navy every other year, and that Oklahoma game, and Florida at USF, and, and, and)
Troy? One Nielsen rated game - at Coastal got 290,000 viewers.

In 2020, I have Tulane with seven Nielsen rated games.
Six of the seven were in the AAC deal, involving 3,646,000 viewers. 17% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so pulling their weight.
The seventh? Tulane at South Alabama on ESPN2 got 516,000 viewers. Tulane was the seventh best of nineteen Sun Belt Nielsen rated games. Eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt games have viewer numbers, and only four of eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt were better than Sun Belt vs Tulane. Tulane had three times as many Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewers as Troy did.

Thank you. Points for you.

For years I have tried to explain the importance of signing home and home OOC games with quality P5 programs, because the rights to those home games fall into conference media packages. I tried to explain to posters on the C-USA board how signing on for body-bag games at P5 programs is a terrible path, but most either didn't want to hear it or just ignored the subject. Not surprisingly, those programs that are continuing to whore out their programs in P5 money games are the same programs that got left in C-USA or moved to the Sun Belt.

There are some Sun Belt trolls around this board that fail to understand how their body-bag scheduling philosophy will continue to hurt the the Sun Belt and keep them behind the AAC. Of course there are other factors that will also keep the Sun Belt behind the AAC.

its much harder to schedule H/H or even buy games with P5s when you have a competitive program and don't offer a marquee place to showcase for recruits. Our AD has spoken on this many times. Any mid level and lower P5 school that isn't located within the Carolinas has straight up declined to play us. The only ones we can get to play us are local (which is great) or the upper echelon SEC/B1G teams who are the least likely to agree to a home and home.

The trials of success.

ballantyneapp does have a decent point here: for scheduling it takes two to tango. "Schedule some home games with big names" is about as useful as "if you don't like how the committee treats the AAC champ, you should just join a 'P5' conference."

And yes, success does negatively influence bigger names' willingness to schedule. An increasing difficulty in scheduling was among the reasons Navy pulled the trigger on joining the Big East in 2011-12.

But sounds like the App AD also highlighted that it isn't solely the W-L aspect...that "marquee place to showcase for recruits" is a factor of the much-maligned-by-Sun-Belt-fans markets. Playing in an NFL stadium benefits USF and Temple just like it does UNLV (check out UNLV's home and homes). Playing in Tampa benefits USF and playing in Houston benefits Rice and playing in the Metroplex benefits UNT/SMU because the opposing coaches want to sit in the living room and tell Momma she can come see sonny-boy play right down the road.

Quote:
But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Okay, you want to boresight in on Tulane, no I don't see Oklahoma on their schedule again. But the next media deal won't be about a single school. The point is, when you look at the conference as a whole -- at least the legacy eight -- is it ISN'T "once in a lifetime."

Copied over from me posting in a SunBelt board thread:

Quote:Here's some of what we're giving Disney in the AAC media deal in the next handful of years:
Notre Dame at Navy every other year
NC State, West Virginia, Wake, BYU at ECU
TCU, Vanderbilt, Colorado at SMU
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas at Tulsa
Alabama, Louisville, NC State, Miami and Notre Dame at USF
Mississippi, Kansas State, Northwestern, Duke, Iowa State at Tulane
Rutgers, Miami, Oklahoma, Penn State, Duke at Temple
Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State at Memphis
Even if Disney starts to dislike our conference matchups, these games against contract-bowl-conference teams will take those better slots and deliver viewers. Some don't believe that matters, but there is a reason that the ND at Navy game every other year and one conference game at NMCMS were held out of the "Navy tier" the AAC sold to CBSSN - ABC/ESPN doesn't care that most of the 2 million watching ND-Navy are Irish fans...the check goes to the AAC.

I see four to five blueblood schools playing at four different AAC programs on that list . Two of those bluebloods at more than one AAC program.

Not as good an outlook for the incoming teams. No true powerhouses, but home games against contract-bowl-conference teams:
UNC and Mississippi at Charlotte
Missouri at FAU (looks like a 2 for 1)
Cal, TxTech, Baylor at UNT
Houston, Northwestern at Rice
none at UAB with schedule filled through 2025, room from 2026 on
none at UTSA with schedule filled through 2024, room from 2025 on

There are also occasional Boise, Army, Air Force and the like for the newbies - those will get you ESPN2/ESPNU rather than the Plus. But those aren't really a differentiator between AAC and the other four non-contract-bowl conferences.

If I remember correctly App had a home-and-home with Miami, but COVID / ACC cost App their end? Great job getting that, bummer if it doesn't get rescheduled. Looking at fbschedules-dot-com for all fourteen Sun Belt schools, I see a dozen or so home games against contract-bowl-conferences all told? Virginia, Virginia Tech, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State. The mwc gets some home-and-homes against PAC12, but I'd still say the AAC has a big advantage over them as well.

The Miami return cancelation was part of a h-h with Arkansas State. Still a lot of bad blood over that. There was a hurricane that hit Miami around the time but Richt had been talking since early in the week how he didn't want to play the game/didn't like the scheduling as we weren't 2-10 back then. To me it seemed that it would be safer for the team to be in Arkansas, but I get it. However, they never negotiated to reschedule in good faith. Lawsuits happened and I think it was settled.

I know we have Iowa St coming in the next few years as part of a H-H. Seems easier to get mid P-5s who can't afford the 1.8 million or whatever for a buy game.

(07-13-2022 10:31 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:27 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:38 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 02:28 PM)owlumni Wrote:  CBT: Tulane only had 8 nationally televised games last season!
*checks notes* Troy only had 2.

What a weird flex.

This is worth drilling down a little more.

In 2021, Tulane had eight nationally televised games.
Seven of those eight were on the AAC media deal.
Of those seven, three on ESPNU don't have reported viewers.
In four AAC games with reported viewers, Tulane had 3,962,000 viewers. That's 15% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so Tulane is pulling their weight.
Also -- that's about 67.9% of the entire Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewership. No Sun Belt school had as many conference-controlled-inventory viewers as Tulane did in 2021. None.
Louisiana does edge ahead of Tulane when viewers are added for other conference's inventory -- Louisiana's body bag / paycheck game at Texas was a big number. The difference is that Tulane has the juice to get a home and home with Oklahoma, so the AAC gets money for selling that to Disney. (Some Sun Belt fans will come on here and saying those home ooc games don't matter, so I'll get ahead of that by saying those Sun Belt fans - or others saying that - are ignorant. In addition to the AAC vs AAC inventory we're selling Notre Dame at Navy every other year, and that Oklahoma game, and Florida at USF, and, and, and)
Troy? One Nielsen rated game - at Coastal got 290,000 viewers.

In 2020, I have Tulane with seven Nielsen rated games.
Six of the seven were in the AAC deal, involving 3,646,000 viewers. 17% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so pulling their weight.
The seventh? Tulane at South Alabama on ESPN2 got 516,000 viewers. Tulane was the seventh best of nineteen Sun Belt Nielsen rated games. Eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt games have viewer numbers, and only four of eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt were better than Sun Belt vs Tulane. Tulane had three times as many Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewers as Troy did.

Thank you. Points for you.

For years I have tried to explain the importance of signing home and home OOC games with quality P5 programs, because the rights to those home games fall into conference media packages. I tried to explain to posters on the C-USA board how signing on for body-bag games at P5 programs is a terrible path, but most either didn't want to hear it or just ignored the subject. Not surprisingly, those programs that are continuing to whore out their programs in P5 money games are the same programs that got left in C-USA or moved to the Sun Belt.

There are some Sun Belt trolls around this board that fail to understand how their body-bag scheduling philosophy will continue to hurt the the Sun Belt and keep them behind the AAC. Of course there are other factors that will also keep the Sun Belt behind the AAC.

its much harder to schedule H/H or even buy games with P5s when you have a competitive program and don't offer a marquee place to showcase for recruits. Our AD has spoken on this many times. Any mid level and lower P5 school that isn't located within the Carolinas has straight up declined to play us. The only ones we can get to play us are local (which is great) or the upper echelon SEC/B1G teams who are the least likely to agree to a home and home.

The trials of success.

ballantyneapp does have a decent point here: for scheduling it takes two to tango. "Schedule some home games with big names" is about as useful as "if you don't like how the committee treats the AAC champ, you should just join a 'P5' conference."

And yes, success does negatively influence bigger names' willingness to schedule. An increasing difficulty in scheduling was among the reasons Navy pulled the trigger on joining the Big East in 2011-12.

But sounds like the App AD also highlighted that it isn't solely the W-L aspect...that "marquee place to showcase for recruits" is a factor of the much-maligned-by-Sun-Belt-fans markets. Playing in an NFL stadium benefits USF and Temple just like it does UNLV (check out UNLV's home and homes). Playing in Tampa benefits USF and playing in Houston benefits Rice and playing in the Metroplex benefits UNT/SMU because the opposing coaches want to sit in the living room and tell Momma she can come see sonny-boy play right down the road.

Quote:
But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Okay, you want to boresight in on Tulane, no I don't see Oklahoma on their schedule again. But the next media deal won't be about a single school. The point is, when you look at the conference as a whole -- at least the legacy eight -- is it ISN'T "once in a lifetime."

Copied over from me posting in a SunBelt board thread:

Quote:Here's some of what we're giving Disney in the AAC media deal in the next handful of years:
Notre Dame at Navy every other year
NC State, West Virginia, Wake, BYU at ECU
TCU, Vanderbilt, Colorado at SMU
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas at Tulsa
Alabama, Louisville, NC State, Miami and Notre Dame at USF
Mississippi, Kansas State, Northwestern, Duke, Iowa State at Tulane
Rutgers, Miami, Oklahoma, Penn State, Duke at Temple
Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State at Memphis
Even if Disney starts to dislike our conference matchups, these games against contract-bowl-conference teams will take those better slots and deliver viewers. Some don't believe that matters, but there is a reason that the ND at Navy game every other year and one conference game at NMCMS were held out of the "Navy tier" the AAC sold to CBSSN - ABC/ESPN doesn't care that most of the 2 million watching ND-Navy are Irish fans...the check goes to the AAC.

I see four to five blueblood schools playing at four different AAC programs on that list . Two of those bluebloods at more than one AAC program.

Not as good an outlook for the incoming teams. No true powerhouses, but home games against contract-bowl-conference teams:
UNC and Mississippi at Charlotte
Missouri at FAU (looks like a 2 for 1)
Cal, TxTech, Baylor at UNT
Houston, Northwestern at Rice
none at UAB with schedule filled through 2025, room from 2026 on
none at UTSA with schedule filled through 2024, room from 2025 on

There are also occasional Boise, Army, Air Force and the like for the newbies - those will get you ESPN2/ESPNU rather than the Plus. But those aren't really a differentiator between AAC and the other four non-contract-bowl conferences.

If I remember correctly App had a home-and-home with Miami, but COVID / ACC cost App their end? Great job getting that, bummer if it doesn't get rescheduled. Looking at fbschedules-dot-com for all fourteen Sun Belt schools, I see a dozen or so home games against contract-bowl-conferences all told? Virginia, Virginia Tech, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State. The mwc gets some home-and-homes against PAC12, but I'd still say the AAC has a big advantage over them as well.

we got the home game from Miami in 2016, Arkie State is the one that got screwed out of a home game with Miami. We have UNC this year in Boone which disappointingly got the noon U slot, so i expect <.5MM viewers.

Word on the street is that we are close to announcing a H/H with NCST.

(07-13-2022 10:31 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:27 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:38 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 02:28 PM)owlumni Wrote:  CBT: Tulane only had 8 nationally televised games last season!
*checks notes* Troy only had 2.

What a weird flex.

This is worth drilling down a little more.

In 2021, Tulane had eight nationally televised games.
Seven of those eight were on the AAC media deal.
Of those seven, three on ESPNU don't have reported viewers.
In four AAC games with reported viewers, Tulane had 3,962,000 viewers. That's 15% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so Tulane is pulling their weight.
Also -- that's about 67.9% of the entire Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewership. No Sun Belt school had as many conference-controlled-inventory viewers as Tulane did in 2021. None.
Louisiana does edge ahead of Tulane when viewers are added for other conference's inventory -- Louisiana's body bag / paycheck game at Texas was a big number. The difference is that Tulane has the juice to get a home and home with Oklahoma, so the AAC gets money for selling that to Disney. (Some Sun Belt fans will come on here and saying those home ooc games don't matter, so I'll get ahead of that by saying those Sun Belt fans - or others saying that - are ignorant. In addition to the AAC vs AAC inventory we're selling Notre Dame at Navy every other year, and that Oklahoma game, and Florida at USF, and, and, and)
Troy? One Nielsen rated game - at Coastal got 290,000 viewers.

In 2020, I have Tulane with seven Nielsen rated games.
Six of the seven were in the AAC deal, involving 3,646,000 viewers. 17% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so pulling their weight.
The seventh? Tulane at South Alabama on ESPN2 got 516,000 viewers. Tulane was the seventh best of nineteen Sun Belt Nielsen rated games. Eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt games have viewer numbers, and only four of eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt were better than Sun Belt vs Tulane. Tulane had three times as many Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewers as Troy did.

Thank you. Points for you.

For years I have tried to explain the importance of signing home and home OOC games with quality P5 programs, because the rights to those home games fall into conference media packages. I tried to explain to posters on the C-USA board how signing on for body-bag games at P5 programs is a terrible path, but most either didn't want to hear it or just ignored the subject. Not surprisingly, those programs that are continuing to whore out their programs in P5 money games are the same programs that got left in C-USA or moved to the Sun Belt.

There are some Sun Belt trolls around this board that fail to understand how their body-bag scheduling philosophy will continue to hurt the the Sun Belt and keep them behind the AAC. Of course there are other factors that will also keep the Sun Belt behind the AAC.

its much harder to schedule H/H or even buy games with P5s when you have a competitive program and don't offer a marquee place to showcase for recruits. Our AD has spoken on this many times. Any mid level and lower P5 school that isn't located within the Carolinas has straight up declined to play us. The only ones we can get to play us are local (which is great) or the upper echelon SEC/B1G teams who are the least likely to agree to a home and home.

The trials of success.

ballantyneapp does have a decent point here: for scheduling it takes two to tango. "Schedule some home games with big names" is about as useful as "if you don't like how the committee treats the AAC champ, you should just join a 'P5' conference."

And yes, success does negatively influence bigger names' willingness to schedule. An increasing difficulty in scheduling was among the reasons Navy pulled the trigger on joining the Big East in 2011-12.

But sounds like the App AD also highlighted that it isn't solely the W-L aspect...that "marquee place to showcase for recruits" is a factor of the much-maligned-by-Sun-Belt-fans markets. Playing in an NFL stadium benefits USF and Temple just like it does UNLV (check out UNLV's home and homes). Playing in Tampa benefits USF and playing in Houston benefits Rice and playing in the Metroplex benefits UNT/SMU because the opposing coaches want to sit in the living room and tell Momma she can come see sonny-boy play right down the road.

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But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Okay, you want to boresight in on Tulane, no I don't see Oklahoma on their schedule again. But the next media deal won't be about a single school. The point is, when you look at the conference as a whole -- at least the legacy eight -- is it ISN'T "once in a lifetime."

Copied over from me posting in a SunBelt board thread:

Quote:Here's some of what we're giving Disney in the AAC media deal in the next handful of years:
Notre Dame at Navy every other year
NC State, West Virginia, Wake, BYU at ECU
TCU, Vanderbilt, Colorado at SMU
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas at Tulsa
Alabama, Louisville, NC State, Miami and Notre Dame at USF
Mississippi, Kansas State, Northwestern, Duke, Iowa State at Tulane
Rutgers, Miami, Oklahoma, Penn State, Duke at Temple
Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State at Memphis
Even if Disney starts to dislike our conference matchups, these games against contract-bowl-conference teams will take those better slots and deliver viewers. Some don't believe that matters, but there is a reason that the ND at Navy game every other year and one conference game at NMCMS were held out of the "Navy tier" the AAC sold to CBSSN - ABC/ESPN doesn't care that most of the 2 million watching ND-Navy are Irish fans...the check goes to the AAC.

I see four to five blueblood schools playing at four different AAC programs on that list . Two of those bluebloods at more than one AAC program.

Not as good an outlook for the incoming teams. No true powerhouses, but home games against contract-bowl-conference teams:
UNC and Mississippi at Charlotte
Missouri at FAU (looks like a 2 for 1)
Cal, TxTech, Baylor at UNT
Houston, Northwestern at Rice
none at UAB with schedule filled through 2025, room from 2026 on
none at UTSA with schedule filled through 2024, room from 2025 on

There are also occasional Boise, Army, Air Force and the like for the newbies - those will get you ESPN2/ESPNU rather than the Plus. But those aren't really a differentiator between AAC and the other four non-contract-bowl conferences.

If I remember correctly App had a home-and-home with Miami, but COVID / ACC cost App their end? Great job getting that, bummer if it doesn't get rescheduled. Looking at fbschedules-dot-com for all fourteen Sun Belt schools, I see a dozen or so home games against contract-bowl-conferences all told? Virginia, Virginia Tech, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State, UNC & Iowa State added in edit. The mwc gets some home-and-homes against PAC12, but I'd still say the AAC has a big advantage over them as well.

clt says we also have NCSU signed for a home game.

(07-13-2022 10:31 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  none at UAB with schedule filled through 2025, room from 2026 on

Part of the price we paid for the Return (from the bammer boosters who make up the Board of Trustees) was a cap on institutional support and (because of "fiscal responsibility") a requirement that we play at least one SEC paycheck game (and NOT with bammer or Auburn) per year, preferably two. That makes it extra hard to get a prestige game at home; we even had to settle for Becky's Poolboys to open the new stadium.

I think the original posters perceptions are about right.

My question for AAC people..Whose next?

Unless the Big 12 and Pac either merge or eat each other, all 3 of the Big 12, Pac, and ACC may be coming to take the AAC's and MWC's lunch money.

I thought the AAC was smart to get to 14 schools, but if you lose SMU, Memphis, and USF, then what? If the MWC loses 2 or 4, where do they turn?

(07-13-2022 10:31 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:27 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 09:38 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-12-2022 07:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 02:28 PM)owlumni Wrote:  CBT: Tulane only had 8 nationally televised games last season!
*checks notes* Troy only had 2.

What a weird flex.

This is worth drilling down a little more.

In 2021, Tulane had eight nationally televised games.
Seven of those eight were on the AAC media deal.
Of those seven, three on ESPNU don't have reported viewers.
In four AAC games with reported viewers, Tulane had 3,962,000 viewers. That's 15% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so Tulane is pulling their weight.
Also -- that's about 67.9% of the entire Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewership. No Sun Belt school had as many conference-controlled-inventory viewers as Tulane did in 2021. None.
Louisiana does edge ahead of Tulane when viewers are added for other conference's inventory -- Louisiana's body bag / paycheck game at Texas was a big number. The difference is that Tulane has the juice to get a home and home with Oklahoma, so the AAC gets money for selling that to Disney. (Some Sun Belt fans will come on here and saying those home ooc games don't matter, so I'll get ahead of that by saying those Sun Belt fans - or others saying that - are ignorant. In addition to the AAC vs AAC inventory we're selling Notre Dame at Navy every other year, and that Oklahoma game, and Florida at USF, and, and, and)
Troy? One Nielsen rated game - at Coastal got 290,000 viewers.

In 2020, I have Tulane with seven Nielsen rated games.
Six of the seven were in the AAC deal, involving 3,646,000 viewers. 17% of the AAC's conference controlled inventory viewers, so pulling their weight.
The seventh? Tulane at South Alabama on ESPN2 got 516,000 viewers. Tulane was the seventh best of nineteen Sun Belt Nielsen rated games. Eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt games have viewer numbers, and only four of eleven Sun Belt vs Sun Belt were better than Sun Belt vs Tulane. Tulane had three times as many Sun Belt conference controlled inventory viewers as Troy did.

Thank you. Points for you.

For years I have tried to explain the importance of signing home and home OOC games with quality P5 programs, because the rights to those home games fall into conference media packages. I tried to explain to posters on the C-USA board how signing on for body-bag games at P5 programs is a terrible path, but most either didn't want to hear it or just ignored the subject. Not surprisingly, those programs that are continuing to whore out their programs in P5 money games are the same programs that got left in C-USA or moved to the Sun Belt.

There are some Sun Belt trolls around this board that fail to understand how their body-bag scheduling philosophy will continue to hurt the the Sun Belt and keep them behind the AAC. Of course there are other factors that will also keep the Sun Belt behind the AAC.

its much harder to schedule H/H or even buy games with P5s when you have a competitive program and don't offer a marquee place to showcase for recruits. Our AD has spoken on this many times. Any mid level and lower P5 school that isn't located within the Carolinas has straight up declined to play us. The only ones we can get to play us are local (which is great) or the upper echelon SEC/B1G teams who are the least likely to agree to a home and home.

The trials of success.

ballantyneapp does have a decent point here: for scheduling it takes two to tango. "Schedule some home games with big names" is about as useful as "if you don't like how the committee treats the AAC champ, you should just join a 'P5' conference."

And yes, success does negatively influence bigger names' willingness to schedule. An increasing difficulty in scheduling was among the reasons Navy pulled the trigger on joining the Big East in 2011-12.

But sounds like the App AD also highlighted that it isn't solely the W-L aspect...that "marquee place to showcase for recruits" is a factor of the much-maligned-by-Sun-Belt-fans markets. Playing in an NFL stadium benefits USF and Temple just like it does UNLV (check out UNLV's home and homes). Playing in Tampa benefits USF and playing in Houston benefits Rice and playing in the Metroplex benefits UNT/SMU because the opposing coaches want to sit in the living room and tell Momma she can come see sonny-boy play right down the road.

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But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Okay, you want to boresight in on Tulane, no I don't see Oklahoma on their schedule again. But the next media deal won't be about a single school. The point is, when you look at the conference as a whole -- at least the legacy eight -- is it ISN'T "once in a lifetime."

Copied over from me posting in a SunBelt board thread:

Quote:Here's some of what we're giving Disney in the AAC media deal in the next handful of years:
Notre Dame at Navy every other year
NC State, West Virginia, Wake, BYU at ECU
TCU, Vanderbilt, Colorado at SMU
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas at Tulsa
Alabama, Louisville, NC State, Miami and Notre Dame at USF
Mississippi, Kansas State, Northwestern, Duke, Iowa State at Tulane
Rutgers, Miami, Oklahoma, Penn State, Duke at Temple
Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State at Memphis
Even if Disney starts to dislike our conference matchups, these games against contract-bowl-conference teams will take those better slots and deliver viewers. Some don't believe that matters, but there is a reason that the ND at Navy game every other year and one conference game at NMCMS were held out of the "Navy tier" the AAC sold to CBSSN - ABC/ESPN doesn't care that most of the 2 million watching ND-Navy are Irish fans...the check goes to the AAC.

I see four to five blueblood schools playing at four different AAC programs on that list . Two of those bluebloods at more than one AAC program.

Not as good an outlook for the incoming teams. No true powerhouses, but home games against contract-bowl-conference teams:
UNC and Mississippi at Charlotte
Missouri at FAU (looks like a 2 for 1)
Cal, TxTech, Baylor at UNT
Houston, Northwestern at Rice
none at UAB with schedule filled through 2025, room from 2026 on
none at UTSA with schedule filled through 2024, room from 2025 on

There are also occasional Boise, Army, Air Force and the like for the newbies - those will get you ESPN2/ESPNU rather than the Plus. But those aren't really a differentiator between AAC and the other four non-contract-bowl conferences.

If I remember correctly App had a home-and-home with Miami, but COVID / ACC cost App their end? Great job getting that, bummer if it doesn't get rescheduled. Looking at fbschedules-dot-com for all fourteen Sun Belt schools, I see a dozen or so home games against contract-bowl-conferences all told? Virginia, Virginia Tech, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State, UNC & Iowa State added in edit. The mwc gets some home-and-homes against PAC12, but I'd still say the AAC has a big advantage over them as well.

Charlotte also has H and H scheduled with both Maryland and NC State.

(07-13-2022 09:52 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 09:18 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:51 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:50 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:19 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  All seemingly true as usual from you Navy. And true that the AAC still has some power to swing stuff like this, for now. I think SMU, Navy and apparently Tulane still have the vig to get a blueblood at home once in a while.

But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Rice has also leveraged its attractive recruiting location to get home games worthy of national television. On the books are home games with Army, Northwestern and Boise State, and the Coogs are saying once their Big 12 schedule is determined they will be extending the annual Bayou Bucket game through 2029. We lost BYU to the Big 12 backfill, and LSU to Covid in 2020.

I’ll let the others list out their OOC schedules, but I think SSJ is correct that at least for now many AAC programs are able to attract tv-friendly OOC opponents at home.

Rice has a good pull, but all of those games are several levels below pulling Oklahoma.

Those aren't going to be primetime network games, but they will be great games

Most high profile Rice home game for each of the last few years.

2021 Houston
2020 LSU (Covid cancel)
2019 Texas
2018 Houston
2017 Stanford (moved to Sydney, Australia)
2016 Baylor

Doesn't look too bad to me.

Bit of a drought coming up unless you get to it. Next decent home opponent is Northwestern in 2029 unless you count Houston.

Yeah, Houston really has lost their shine lately since they announced their move to that “other” conference.

Heck, it’s conceivable they won’t even finish in the top twelve of the big twelve if they keep adding teams over there.

Still glad to play them, the Bayou Bucket is always a great atmosphere…

(06-29-2022 12:08 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 11:36 AM)UTSA_Alum Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 11:30 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Perception is not reality. Reality lags perception. The reality is - unless improvement occurs - the MWC will likely leapfrog the AAC and the AAC neck and neck with the SBC.

The reality is the AAC took Tulsa and Tulane and somehow got the P6 thing to stick in 10 short years. The AAC has proven they are a well run organization, and I am willing to stake my reputation(worth nothing on internet forums) on the AAC being the pack leader again in 10 years.

FB Massey Composite Index
Average Ranking 2019, 2020, 2021
Tulane..........75
Tulsa............60

Charlotte.....104
FAU..............74
NTU............109
Rice............109
UAB..............61
UTSA............79

None of the CUSA refugees exceeded the performance of the school you maligned - Tulsa. Only two of the six CUSA refugees exceeded Tulane. The reality is the additions (save UAB) are terrible to mediocre on the field.

Ten years is a long, long time and massive improvement will be required by the additions to even meet that distant goal. A change in conference alone will not suffice. Sustained and material investments are required.

Thanks for sharing information:)

(07-08-2022 06:30 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 04:51 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 02:53 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 01:44 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 05:11 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  Adding Southern Miss and Marshall probably did more harm than good long term for that conference. Those two schools having no markets, no academics, and little to no fan support will do nothing but drag the Sun Belt down just like it did to C-USA for years and years.

TULANE
2021 - 17,068
2020 - N/A
2019 - 24,325
2018 - 18,015
2017 - 16,939

SOUTHERN MISS
2021 - 23,259
2020 - N/A
2019 - 24,765
2018 - 21,615
2017 - 21,710

MARSHALL
2021 - 21,743
2020 - N/A
2019 - 23,190
2018 - 24,063
2017 - 21,741

I can't believe a Tulane fan is trying to tell others about attendance, fan support, and dragging down a conference. I just can't. I've seen it ALL.

Tulane was long considered the bottom feeder in CUSA... went 80-132 during their tenure in CUSA.... yet Marshall and USM dragged CUSA down?? What??

Your basketball attendance is DEAD LAST almost every year in the AAC. Your attendance this past season was worse than UL-Monroe.... and that's with Tulane getting popular teams at home with Memphis, SMU, Wichita State, UCF, and #15 Houston at home.

Your football attendance has been worse than USM and Marshall, as you can see.

My daughter went to USM and thus I've been to almost every home game over the past 3 years. If USM had 10,000 fans in "The Rock" for those games I'd be surprised. Not knocking USM, I love that place and they have plenty of my money. But....

I really don’t know how many times I have to repeat that wins and losses mean absolutely nothing. It’s all about markets and academics. That’s all that matters. Two things most of the Sun Belt do not have. I don’t care if Tulane went 0-200 over the last 15 years, we will always be a more valuable commodity because we have a market and our academics are top notch. That’s just the way it is. We will always be better than you.

clt repeats that lowly sunbelt folks clearly cannot understand that academics matter….

Father: "Well son, which game should we watch? These two 1-loss teams battling it out for 1st in Conference? Or these two 1-win teams with great academics located in cool cities?!?"

Son: "Oh man! Can we watch the academic schools game Dad!"
...Said no one ever.

Wins don't matter??? What kind of football fan says that? lol
Before responding, ask yourself, would you rather be a fan of Vanderbilt? Or Alabama?

(07-13-2022 09:52 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  Wins don't matter??? What kind of football fan says that? lol
Before responding, ask yourself, would you rather be a fan of Vanderbilt? Or Alabama?

Let's see. Would I rather be:

a) An economist, a historian, maybe a physician or a top-flight attorney?

OR

b) A drunken redneck wearing a red t-shirt with a script-A on it, sprawled under my rented double-wide covered in my own PBR-flavored vomit screeching "them refs is cheatin' on al'bammmerrrrrrr. Stop the Steal! Row Tahd!"

It's a tough one, I'll grant you that.

(07-13-2022 09:52 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 09:18 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:51 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:50 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:19 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  All seemingly true as usual from you Navy. And true that the AAC still has some power to swing stuff like this, for now. I think SMU, Navy and apparently Tulane still have the vig to get a blueblood at home once in a while.

But having 70% of their viewership from one once in a lifetime game against a blue blood isn't sustainable.

We'll see how their 2022 #s add up with a very pedestrian OOC schedule, although i think the USM-TUL matchup could create a fair amount of regional interest.

Rice has also leveraged its attractive recruiting location to get home games worthy of national television. On the books are home games with Army, Northwestern and Boise State, and the Coogs are saying once their Big 12 schedule is determined they will be extending the annual Bayou Bucket game through 2029. We lost BYU to the Big 12 backfill, and LSU to Covid in 2020.

I’ll let the others list out their OOC schedules, but I think SSJ is correct that at least for now many AAC programs are able to attract tv-friendly OOC opponents at home.

Rice has a good pull, but all of those games are several levels below pulling Oklahoma.

Those aren't going to be primetime network games, but they will be great games

Most high profile Rice home game for each of the last few years.

2021 Houston
2020 LSU (Covid cancel)
2019 Texas
2018 Houston
2017 Stanford (moved to Sydney, Australia)
2016 Baylor

Doesn't look too bad to me.

Bit of a drought coming up unless you get to it. Next decent home opponent is Northwestern in 2029 unless you count Houston.

Houston is not a "big" home game, FWIW.

(07-14-2022 09:59 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 09:52 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 09:18 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:51 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:50 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  Rice has also leveraged its attractive recruiting location to get home games worthy of national television. On the books are home games with Army, Northwestern and Boise State, and the Coogs are saying once their Big 12 schedule is determined they will be extending the annual Bayou Bucket game through 2029. We lost BYU to the Big 12 backfill, and LSU to Covid in 2020.

I’ll let the others list out their OOC schedules, but I think SSJ is correct that at least for now many AAC programs are able to attract tv-friendly OOC opponents at home.

Rice has a good pull, but all of those games are several levels below pulling Oklahoma.

Those aren't going to be primetime network games, but they will be great games

Most high profile Rice home game for each of the last few years.

2021 Houston
2020 LSU (Covid cancel)
2019 Texas
2018 Houston
2017 Stanford (moved to Sydney, Australia)
2016 Baylor

Doesn't look too bad to me.

Bit of a drought coming up unless you get to it. Next decent home opponent is Northwestern in 2029 unless you count Houston.

Houston is not a "big" home game, FWIW.

That's an opinion. But to me, those were the biggest home games of those years.

(07-14-2022 10:33 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:59 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 09:52 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 09:18 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 07:51 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  Rice has a good pull, but all of those games are several levels below pulling Oklahoma.

Those aren't going to be primetime network games, but they will be great games

Most high profile Rice home game for each of the last few years.

2021 Houston
2020 LSU (Covid cancel)
2019 Texas
2018 Houston
2017 Stanford (moved to Sydney, Australia)
2016 Baylor

Doesn't look too bad to me.

Bit of a drought coming up unless you get to it. Next decent home opponent is Northwestern in 2029 unless you count Houston.

Houston is not a "big" home game, FWIW.

That's an opinion. But to me, those were the biggest home games of those years.

I guess from a "we both are in Houston / city rivalry" perspective, it's a big game. But from a national standpoint, having Houston at home barely moves the needle.