Quote:An organization representing thousands of pro-life obstetricians and gynecologists released polling showing that most U.S. voters oppose Roe v. Wade and other radical abortion measures when properly informed.
Quote:Out of 1,600 registered voters polled nationally between June 3-6, 2022, 53 percent said they support the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision “which recognized a Constitutional right to abortion.” However, when voters were asked if they would support or oppose Roe v. Wade, knowing that it allowed abortion up to birth, including late-term abortions when the unborn may feel pain, 56 percent of voters said they oppose Roe.
Quote:An organization representing thousands of pro-life obstetricians and gynecologists released polling showing that most U.S. voters oppose Roe v. Wade and other radical abortion measures when properly informed.
Quote:Out of 1,600 registered voters polled nationally between June 3-6, 2022, 53 percent said they support the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision “which recognized a Constitutional right to abortion.” However, when voters were asked if they would support or oppose Roe v. Wade, knowing that it allowed abortion up to birth, including late-term abortions when the unborn may feel pain, 56 percent of voters said they oppose Roe.
You seriously posted this complete nonsense push-poll cited in Breitbart? Even with these ridiculous caveats, still only 56 percent opposed it...in a poll from a pro-left group.
(07-07-2022 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: I hope you can admit that trying to run our country on one person's interpretation of their religious scripture is a tad problematic.
BOTH science and Christian views are that this is life.
Do you agree with both the science and Christian view that a fertilized egg is life? Or are you in the crowd that now denies BOTH the science and Christian view?
Just because it's "life" doesn't mean it's a "baby" or that it's "murder" if it's terminated. The very fact that over half the population does not believe it's "murder" in the first few months of pregnancy indicates well beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a matter of faith, and thus under the principles in which this country was founded, should be left out of government reach. This is something that should only be regulated by religion, not governments. Those who want to allow government to take away our choice in this faith are effectively slapping the founders in the face by spitting on the whole concept of the separation of church and state.
(07-07-2022 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: I hope you can admit that trying to run our country on one person's interpretation of their religious scripture is a tad problematic.
BOTH science and Christian views are that this is life.
Do you agree with both the science and Christian view that a fertilized egg is life? Or are you in the crowd that now denies BOTH the science and Christian view?
Just because it's "life" doesn't mean it's a "baby" or that it's "murder" if it's terminated. The very fact that over half the population does not believe it's "murder" in the first few months of pregnancy indicates well beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a matter of faith, and thus under the principles in which this country was founded, should be left out of government reach. This is something that should only be regulated by religion, not governments. Those who want to allow government to take away our choice in this faith are effectively slapping the founders in the face by spitting on the whole concept of the separation of church and state.
I'll admit. the mental gymnastics are amazing.
And 180 degrees opposite of what the founding fathers believed.
(07-08-2022 08:22 AM)solohawks Wrote: Simple question....why is it not ok for states to have different positions, laws, and prohibitions on abortion?
For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
There are things. Its been outlined
10th The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Baby killing is not in the constitution.
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2022 09:18 AM by shere khan.)
(07-08-2022 08:22 AM)solohawks Wrote: Simple question....why is it not ok for states to have different positions, laws, and prohibitions on abortion?
For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
So a place like Mississippi where at minimum a healthy and strong minority have a sincere and legitimate belief that abortion is wrong, should be forced to have the same law abortion till delivery law as California?
(07-08-2022 08:22 AM)solohawks Wrote: Simple question....why is it not ok for states to have different positions, laws, and prohibitions on abortion?
For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
So a place like Mississippi where at minimum a healthy and strong minority have a sincere and legitimate belief that abortion is wrong, should be forced to have the same law abortion till delivery law as California?
To me that is why the 10th amendment exists.
So, mob rules, and those who don't like it should just move?
(07-08-2022 08:22 AM)solohawks Wrote: Simple question....why is it not ok for states to have different positions, laws, and prohibitions on abortion?
For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
So a place like Mississippi where at minimum a healthy and strong minority have a sincere and legitimate belief that abortion is wrong, should be forced to have the same law abortion till delivery law as California?
To me that is why the 10th amendment exists.
So, mob rules, and those who don't like it should just move?
Certain places within our nation are different culturally. Always have been always will be. We have to accept that. That's why we have the ability to move
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2022 10:05 AM by solohawks.)
(07-08-2022 08:22 AM)solohawks Wrote: Simple question....why is it not ok for states to have different positions, laws, and prohibitions on abortion?
For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
So a place like Mississippi where at minimum a healthy and strong minority have a sincere and legitimate belief that abortion is wrong, should be forced to have the same law abortion till delivery law as California?
To me that is why the 10th amendment exists.
So, mob rules, and those who don't like it should just move?
Certain places within our nation are different culturally. Always have been always will be. We have to accept that
Yeah, that's fine. I'm certainly not implying the north has to start eating grits every day...lol.
I just feel that things effect everyone regardless of where you were born, live, etc. because you are a human should not be regulated so differently.
I'm not at all opposed to a compromise for the good of the whole. I think it makes the nation better. If you have the attitude of "**** it, that's what I want and screw you!", then that's not very American IMO.
(07-08-2022 08:22 AM)solohawks Wrote: Simple question....why is it not ok for states to have different positions, laws, and prohibitions on abortion?
For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
So a place like Mississippi where at minimum a healthy and strong minority have a sincere and legitimate belief that abortion is wrong, should be forced to have the same law abortion till delivery law as California?
To me that is why the 10th amendment exists.
So, mob rules, and those who don't like it should just move?
That's pretty much what you're saying too. What's the difference?
(07-05-2022 08:49 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote: So, if a person that resides in Louisiana and welches on a bet made with a person from, let's say Texas, can the person from Texas use Texas Rangers to arrest the person in Louisiana for fraud? Asking for a friend........
6 years later and you’re still living in your mothers basement masturbating over the fake cool points someone else won in a bet. How lonely does that feel?
(07-07-2022 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: I hope you can admit that trying to run our country on one person's interpretation of their religious scripture is a tad problematic.
BOTH science and Christian views are that this is life.
Do you agree with both the science and Christian view that a fertilized egg is life? Or are you in the crowd that now denies BOTH the science and Christian view?
Just because it's "life" doesn't mean it's a "baby" or that it's "murder" if it's terminated. The very fact that over half the population does not believe it's "murder" in the first few months of pregnancy indicates well beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a matter of faith, and thus under the principles in which this country was founded, should be left out of government reach. This is something that should only be regulated by religion, not governments. Those who want to allow government to take away our choice in this faith are effectively slapping the founders in the face by spitting on the whole concept of the separation of church and state.
Quote:An organization representing thousands of pro-life obstetricians and gynecologists released polling showing that most U.S. voters oppose Roe v. Wade and other radical abortion measures when properly informed.
Quote:Out of 1,600 registered voters polled nationally between June 3-6, 2022, 53 percent said they support the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision “which recognized a Constitutional right to abortion.” However, when voters were asked if they would support or oppose Roe v. Wade, knowing that it allowed abortion up to birth, including late-term abortions when the unborn may feel pain, 56 percent of voters said they oppose Roe.
You seriously posted this complete nonsense push-poll cited in Breitbart? Even with these ridiculous caveats, still only 56 percent opposed it...in a poll from a pro-left group.
After a two week media blitz attacking the decision. Point is, I think most people actually agree that there is no "right to abortion" in the Constitution. Furthermore, there has been a very long history of soft pedaling and hiding the reality of what abortion actually entails. For instance, if most people are shown a sonogram video of a baby in the uterus desperately trying to escape being torn apart by a abortion doctors probe, their attitude toward abortion changes almost immediately.
There are two legitimate sides to this argument. I honestly get what both sides are saying. If you believe in democracy like I do, then its time for the voters to decide how this will be handled. Its how we have handled every difficult decision the nation has faced. Thats all overturning Roe-vs-Wade has done.
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2022 11:05 AM by Attackcoog.)
(07-08-2022 08:22 AM)solohawks Wrote: Simple question....why is it not ok for states to have different positions, laws, and prohibitions on abortion?
For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
So a place like Mississippi where at minimum a healthy and strong minority have a sincere and legitimate belief that abortion is wrong, should be forced to have the same law abortion till delivery law as California?
To me that is why the 10th amendment exists.
So, mob rules, and those who don't like it should just move?
You need a civics class
And
Yes. To china
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2022 11:06 AM by shere khan.)
(07-08-2022 08:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: For many things, it's not an issue, but actually desirable.
For me though, on things like healthcare and the like, it puts undue burdens on some just because of where they happened to be born.
Some things should just not change when you cross a state line IMO.
So a place like Mississippi where at minimum a healthy and strong minority have a sincere and legitimate belief that abortion is wrong, should be forced to have the same law abortion till delivery law as California?
To me that is why the 10th amendment exists.
So, mob rules, and those who don't like it should just move?
Certain places within our nation are different culturally. Always have been always will be. We have to accept that
Yeah, that's fine. I'm certainly not implying the north has to start eating grits every day...lol.
I just feel that things effect everyone regardless of where you were born, live, etc. because you are a human should not be regulated so differently.
I'm not at all opposed to a compromise for the good of the whole. I think it makes the nation better. If you have the attitude of "**** it, that's what I want and screw you!", then that's not very American IMO.
But that "**** it that's what I want and screw you" was Roe v Wade
For the first time in 50 years compromises can be made
I'd argue the Mississippi law of 15 weeks was a compromise. It was more liberal than French law and wouldn't have completely satisfied those who believe life begins at conception
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2022 11:33 AM by solohawks.)
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